Where did all the Red Sox's fans go

[TheRook]

We have scored 20 runs against N.Y. in 3 games W/OUT him. LMFAO ... Are you saying we lost because we lacked his bat or that it would have mattered??? Oh god .......

So with him...You would have won because there was no way that Beckett would have walked 9 guys with Veritek on the mound, right?

OH GOD.............

[molta02]

We have scored 20 runs against N.Y. W/OUT him. LMFAO ... Are you saying we lost because we lacked his bat or that it would have mattered??? Oh god .......

I never said that and never will. All I said was that he was hitting .243, which is true.

Josh Beckett walks 9 guys because Varitek isn't back there????

Is Varitek being out one of the many problems, Yes. But this has been a total team collapse.

[TheRook]

Nope, just looking for some input besides "It ain't him" as the reason behind their slump. That reply gets old.

I see....

Well unfortunately, I believe you better get used to it, because I think a majority share that opinion outside The Kool Aid Nation.

[TheRook]

I never said that and never will. All I said was that he was hitting .243, which is true.

Josh Beckett walks 9 guys because Varitek isn't back there????

Is Varitek being out one of the many problems, Yes. But this has been a total team collapse.

Get outta my head!!! LOL


Team, Management, GM, all of it....collectively have done in the Red Sox this year.

[wayne1218]

So with him...You would have won because there was no way that Beckett would have walked 9 guys with Veritek on the mound, right?

OH GOD.............

I bet we wouldn't be 0-3 ... Correct!

[TwoTonTony]

I see....

Well unfortunately, I believe you better get used to it, because I think a majority share that opinion outside The Kool Aid Nation.

I agree....Wayne is a knowledgable guy but he is not very objective when it comes to the Pats and Sox!!!

[molta02]

Well, the difference is Varitek fixes his glasses in 20 seconds...... Lopez took 40 seconds. That can really shake a guy.

[wayne1218]

I never said that and never will. All I said was that he was hitting .243, which is true.

Josh Beckett walks 9 guys because Varitek isn't back there????

Is Varitek being out one of the many problems, Yes. But this has been a total team collapse.

The offense has collapsed??? WRONG!

The pitching has which brings us back to the catcher!

[molta02]

The offense has collapsed??? WRONG!

The pitching has which brings us back to the catcher!

0-16 with RISP on friday afternoon.

[wayne1218]

I see....

Well unfortunately, I believe you better get used to it, because I think a majority share that opinion outside The Kool Aid Nation.

I don't mind arguing alone. I do pretty well.

[kbsooner21]

The offense has collapsed??? WRONG!

The pitching has which brings us back to the catcher!

They sox offense should have outslugged K.C. and T.B. with ME on the mound.

[wayne1218]

I agree....Wayne is a knowledgable guy but he is not very objective when it comes to the Pats and Sox!!!

I was one of the 1st to say they suck and are done. How much more "OBJECTIVE" do you need tony?

[TwoTonTony]

The offense has collapsed??? WRONG!

The pitching has which brings us back to the catcher!

so what would have been your solution when tak went down????

all you do is say what is wrong......and the hitting is not good......We always are spotting teams 3 runs it seems every games.....

[savage1]

I will say this, and it has been said before and is obvious:
Varitek would not have LOSERS like Seanez, Taverex, Johnson or Snyder;they sucked with Tek pitching and sucked without him. you aren't going to win a WS with those gus no matter who pitches.
The remainder of the staff other than Schilling, Wakefield(when he is healthy) and Papelbon are questionable and/or very experienced.
Perhaps it could be argued that Varitek held together this very tenuous staff as well as he could(and pretty well) while he was catching every day.
Then when he went down, the problems were no longer masked, the performances got worse simply because Lopez and Mirabelli simply don't have the overall talents of Varitek of calling the game and holding the staff together.
If one accepts this argument, then the real problem lies with front office for burying their hands in the sand and deluding themselves and fans into thinking that Sox pitching was good enough to compete at the highest level.
ps What is very troubling to me (and I don't relate it to Varitek is the apparent demise of Timlin;he has been horrendous of late with game on the line,; if he is all washed up, it would be another crushing blow, as the other pitchers who would be used to replace him are far worse.

[TheRook]

I don't mind arguing alone. I do pretty well.

LMAO....I know you do...and I must say I'm enjoying it. You are my favorite and worst person to "agrue" with because we're both so passionate about our opinions.

I hope you feel the same.


If not....