Harold Reynolds fired!!

[savage1]

My own wife while small in stature is very strong when it comes to words.
If someone said something to her she found offensive, she would throw something right back at the person who said it;that would shut the other person up in a hurry.
She is way above being a tattletale over trivial meaningless words and hugs.

[10DimeBry]

Old school means nothing;right does not make right.
I say sexual harassment, affirmative action and all this other crap has got way out of line and is too slanted, and remember this is coming from a Liberal politically speaking.
One reason I never joined the corporate world is that I could never subscribe to the robotic like thinking necessary (such as in sexual hasrassment) in order to survive.
At least as a state employee while I was subjected to some of this meaningless and overblown shit, I had civil service protection and openly spoke my mind about a lot of these matters including sexual harassment , one sided affirmative action, etc. without the fear that I could get fired.
You are entitled to your opinion, as I am mine;I am more concerned with MUCH mores serious matters in the world than words and hugs and high strung/uptight employees and corporations worrying about frivolous lawsuits.

savage what is up with you??? when did you join the GOP??? lol

[savage1]

10 dime-I stated once before I am a free thinker ,and what I think of world politics has nothing to do with how I think in everyday matters. Actually the two are related, meaning I think there is too much bullshit and nonsense over sexual harassment, attempts to outlaw gambling, etc. when the attention should be on other infinitely more important things threatening our entire existence.

[vinnyvegas]

Reading between the lines on this, it seems very clear to me that there is a history from Reynolds regarding his conduct. From what I've read, this wasn't his first OFFENSE...from a HR perspective and even a legality prospective, ESPN certainly has documented a pattern of behavior, course of action taken w/ other incidents and the final straw...he hasn't had to be suspended for other incidents per se.

I think it's very naive w/in any business atmosphere to say a firing like Reynolds received was for a FIRST time offense? Wouldn't you all agree? ESPN couldn't be that stupid and I'm sure their corporate lawyers were consulted by HR and discussed what ramifications would play out w/ a firing of a somewhat long term employee who is also BLACK...can you say potential lawsuit?

Corporate America let alone any business would/should document any incident, which I'm sure occurred here. We just don't have access to Reynolds employee file to see that he most likely has had a history of inappropriate behavior w/ fellow women w/in ESPN...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that his baseball career was most likely filled w/ women from all cities and places he frequented...the way of professional sports.

We may never hear about all the skeletons...

[rented mule]

What's your definition of harrasment? You'd be pissed if a male friend gave you wife a hug?

Do you honestly believe that he was fired because he gave a friend a hug?

I see people do things every day that they wouldn't do if their spouse or the other parties' spouse was present. Haven't you ever noticed the difference between day-to-day office behavior and the behavior that goes on at an office Christmas party when spouses are present?

Regardless of whether our culture has gotten too PC or not, it is what it is. Harrassment takes many forms right now. For example, abour 3 years ago, a female employee asked me to ban screensavers and wallpaper of women in bikinis and things like that. I had no choice but to comply. That's the way things are today and people (especially men) need to be aware of that.

By the way, I would almost guarantee that 99% of the guys with the J Lo and Jessica Simpson screensavers at work, have pictures of their kids as a screensaver at home.

[CheechB03]

Reading between the lines on this, it seems very clear to me that there is a history from Reynolds regarding his conduct. From what I've read, this wasn't his first OFFENSE...from a HR perspective and even a legality prospective, ESPN certainly has documented a pattern of behavior, course of action taken w/ other incidents and the final straw...he hasn't had to be suspended for other incidents per se.

I think it's very naive w/in any business atmosphere to say a firing like Reynolds received was for a FIRST time offense? Wouldn't you all agree? ESPN couldn't be that stupid and I'm sure their corporate lawyers were consulted by HR and discussed what ramifications would play out w/ a firing of a somewhat long term employee who is also BLACK...can you say potential lawsuit?

Corporate America let alone any business would/should document any incident, which I'm sure occurred here. We just don't have access to Reynolds employee file to see that he most likely has had a history of inappropriate behavior w/ fellow women w/in ESPN...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that his baseball career was most likely filled w/ women from all cities and places he frequented...the way of professional sports.

We may never hear about all the skeletons...

VV, well said

[Three Jack]

Old school means nothing;right does not make right.
I say sexual harassment, affirmative action and all this other crap has got way out of line and is too slanted, and remember this is coming from a Liberal politically speaking.
One reason I never joined the corporate world is that I could never subscribe to the robotic like thinking necessary (such as in sexual hasrassment) in order to survive.
At least as a state employee while I was subjected to some of this meaningless and overblown shit, I had civil service protection and openly spoke my mind about a lot of these matters including sexual harassment , one sided affirmative action, etc. without the fear that I could get fired.
You are entitled to your opinion, as I am mine;I am more concerned with MUCH mores serious matters in the world than words and hugs and high strung/uptight employees and corporations worrying about frivolous lawsuits.

Savage, the one thing you and I and everyone else has no idea about is whether what made ESPN fire Reynolds was a case of a continued behavior that had been disciplined in the past. On the surface, it would seem like a very flimsy response to term a black man, or any man, for a hug that may not have even occured in the workplace. As everyone has pointed out, if he was termed for 'inappropriately hugging' a female at a local restaurant, you can bet your bottom dollar that this was not the first or second or maybe even third time thatt his has come up with him. And if that is the case, then he deserved what he got.

[rented mule]

Savage, the one thing you and I and everyone else has no idea about is whether what made ESPN fire Reynolds was a case of a continued behavior that had been disciplined in the past. On the surface, it would seem like a very flimsy response to term a black man, or any man, for a hug that may not have even occured in the workplace. As everyone has pointed out, if he was termed for 'inappropriately hugging' a female at a local restaurant, you can bet your bottom dollar that this was not the first or second or maybe even third time thatt his has come up with him. And if that is the case, then he deserved what he got.

Keep in mind that he has also told certain news outlets that the reason he was terminated was due to creative differences. Sounds like he's telling different stories depending on who he's talking to.

[jcindaville]

I agree that he should have known better. We don't know what an "inappropriate hug" means. He could have embraced her and squeezed her ass. I know if someone did that to my wife, i'd be looking to kick their ass.

As an adult male in the workplace, i'm extremely aware of what may be considered harrassment and I behave accordingly and always have.

Again, I have no idea exactly what he did, but it's food for thought.

Mule, i have worked in an office setting for years with women, and i would never touch any of them much less hug one. Thats the way it has to be. IMO, you cant get into trouble that way for sure

[Meg30]

My own wife while small in stature is very strong when it comes to words.
If someone said something to her she found offensive, she would throw something right back at the person who said it;that would shut the other person up in a hurry.
She is way above being a tattletale over trivial meaningless words and hugs.

Easier said then done...trust me if he was FIRED for what he did then he deserved it...i've seen sexual harassment and it is extremely hard to get someone fired over a hug or inappropriate words...it had to have been a repetitive thing on his part or more serious...and i don't think reporting sexual harassment is trivial

[CheechB03]

i don't think reporting sexual harassment is trivial

I have two older sisters and three daughters. There's not many guys that have more respect for women than me. Growing up if I disrespected a girl my sisters would kick my ass.

I don't believe Savage is trivializing sexual harassment. The point Savage and I are both making is our society has become too soft. American's have to be 'on top' of their game everyday because we fear hurting someone's feelings. It's become a joke.

[Meg30]

I have two older sisters and three daughters. There's not many guys that have more respect for women than me. Growing up if I disrespected a girl my sisters would kick my ass.

I don't believe Savage is trivializing sexual harassment. The point Savage and I are both making is our society has become too soft. American's have to be 'on top' of their game everyday because we fear hurting someone's feelings. It's become a joke.

if we're too soft now..i would hate to see what it was like 10 years ago

[rented mule]

For what it's worth, I just heard that he got fired for making peeps and poops in Chris Berman's personal bathroom.

[BigTicket]

This argument you macho guys are making doesn't make much sense to me, and I think Meg has a just beef. It HAS to be the way it is today, otherwise guys would get away with everything, right now they get away with about 90%.

You need to be above reproach. One of the best sayings to live by.

And also, don't you think the reason so many of you guys are so heated about this is because you LIKE Harold Reynolds? You're letting the subjective affect your objective viewpoint on the situation.

[savage1]

I have two older sisters and three daughters. There's not many guys that have more respect for women than me. Growing up if I disrespected a girl my sisters would kick my ass.

I don't believe Savage is trivializing sexual harassment. The point Savage and I are both making is our society has become too soft. American's have to be 'on top' of their game everyday because we fear hurting someone's feelings. It's become a joke.

Frank-Boy we may have have differences on many things but not this stuff-thats the lock of the century!