It seem like every closer is in doubt when you bring them in the game..you come in to pitch one inning a game and blow it, Papelbon, jenks, ray, and rivera seem clutch in most instances yet most other closers are in doubt. I honestly dont get it...is it nerves?? if it is they shouldnt be there anyways
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How many closers have gone an entire season without blowing a save or two? Mariano, even in his best years, blew 3-5 saves each year.Three Jack's Record http://www.bettorschat.com/forums/sh...10#post1323910
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The closer is the most overrated role/position in baseball. It's great to have one, but you can get along just as well with a solid bullpen. Consistency is good, but there are not many as good as Rivera, Papelbon, Jenks, Hoffman, etc. (The exceptions that make the rule.) What is the matter with having a closer pitch two or three innings. Before Rivera went mainstream, he was a mediocre starter, then a long reliever, then a set-up for Wetteland, then the closer. If you have balls (and no ear for the media) as a reliever, you will be a good closer. But the position is unneeded in my view.2009 MLB:
JULY
23-19 (+21.72x)
Sides; 8-12; -9.43x
Totals; 17-9-1; +33.20x
AUGUST
1-2 (-4.7x)
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How many times does a good starter give up a run in the first inning? That is why the closers should pitch two or more innings.Originally posted by SustainDanIt seem like every closer is in doubt when you bring them in the game..you come in to pitch one inning a game and blow it, Papelbon, jenks, ray, and rivera seem clutch in most instances yet most other closers are in doubt. I honestly dont get it...is it nerves?? if it is they shouldnt be there anyways2009 MLB:
JULY
23-19 (+21.72x)
Sides; 8-12; -9.43x
Totals; 17-9-1; +33.20x
AUGUST
1-2 (-4.7x)
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dan.imo,the last 3 years or so,relief pitching sucks.remember when the yankees brought mendoza and rivera in from the 7th inning on-if they had a lead it was lights out,is there any combination in baseball anywhere close to those guys right now-ae- a setup man and a closer ? chunger !! ps-WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR BOY DUKE OF EARL,A CLOSE FRIEND OF MINE SAID THE NEW PITCHING COACH FOR PITT. CHANGED HIS MECHANICS !!DON'T YOU EAT THE YELLOW SNOW !!
PS-MARVIN LOVES SPLIT SALAD !! 
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The set-up man goes for the bigger contract as the closer or bad starter, such as Mendoza did. Why be #2 for a good team when you can be #1 for a shoddy team.Originally posted by waynechungdan.imo,the last 3 years or so,relief pitching sucks.remember when the yankees brought mendoza and rivera in from the 7th inning on-if they had a lead it was lights out,is there any combination in baseball anywhere close to those guys right now-ae- a setup man and a closer?2009 MLB:
JULY
23-19 (+21.72x)
Sides; 8-12; -9.43x
Totals; 17-9-1; +33.20x
AUGUST
1-2 (-4.7x)
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ALSO DAN WHO WAS THAT ROOKIE YOU WON A BIG PLAY ON THE OTHER NIGHT,YOU SAID YOU SAW HIM PITCH IN SPRING TRAINING,I FORGET WHERE YOU POSTED IT BUT THE KID LOOKED GREAT ? LASTLY- I BELIEVE THIS HAMELS FOR PHILLY IS THE REAL DEAL !!Originally posted by waynechungdan.imo,the last 3 years or so,relief pitching sucks.remember when the yankees brought mendoza and rivera in from the 7th inning on-if they had a lead it was lights out,is there any combination in baseball anywhere close to those guys right now-ae- a setup man and a closer ? chunger !! ps-WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR BOY DUKE OF EARL,A CLOSE FRIEND OF MINE SAID THE NEW PITCHING COACH FOR PITT. CHANGED HIS MECHANICS !!Last edited by WayneChung; 07-10-2006, 11:32 AM.DON'T YOU EAT THE YELLOW SNOW !!
PS-MARVIN LOVES SPLIT SALAD !! 
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Chung...they did alter the dukes pitching technique, WHY?? I dont know, maybe he has no brains...Mike Pelfrey is the pitcher i mentioned him hes on the mets and will be a number 3 starter by next year behind pedro and glavine...Hamels is good its just his run support sucks, the phillies either score a ghastly amount of runs or dont score at all. CHUNGER what did i tell ya about FRANCISCO LIRIANO at the beginning of the year told ya hed be a stud now he is top running for CY YOUNG WOOHOOOQuitters Never Win, Winners Will NEVER Quit
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THANKS BUDDY,I KNOW PITT SUCKS BUT DUKE HAS BEEN GETTING HAMMERED-MAKES SENSE ABOUT HIS MECHANICS BEING ALTERED !!Originally posted by SustainDanChung...they did alter the dukes pitching technique, WHY?? I dont know, maybe he has no brains...Mike Pelfrey is the pitcher i mentioned him hes on the mets and will be a number 3 starter by next year behind pedro and glavine...Hamels is good its just his run support sucks, the phillies either score a ghastly amount of runs or dont score at all. CHUNGER what did i tell ya about FRANCISCO LIRIANO at the beginning of the year told ya hed be a stud now he is top running for CY YOUNG WOOHOOODON'T YOU EAT THE YELLOW SNOW !!
PS-MARVIN LOVES SPLIT SALAD !! 
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