Who Has the Best 1-2 Punch in Baseball?

[wayne1218]

If he were a starter for the Yankees, he would have won at least 15 games in 2007 and 2008.

If you were a starter for the Yankees, you could win 12 games!

[savage1]

I love having him here savage but if he left, See Ya'., He was just a part of ownership's plan, the ownership was not a part of theo's.

I think he is one of the best GM's in baseball and that he wouldn't be as easy to replace as you think.

[wayne1218]

I think he is one of the best GM's in baseball and that he wouldn't be as easy to replace as you think.

As long as ownership is in place, i have no worries about the Sox future. With or without Theo.

[mavskidd02]

IMO, if I am Boston, and by Savage's criteria:

Lincecum for Beckett (NO)

Cain for Beckett (NO)

Lincecum and Cain for Beckett (YES)

I say this because, let's look at this extremely hypothetical rotation:

Lincecum
Lester
Cain
Buchholz
Penny

(That's as good as it gets)


However, the whole situation is hypothetical and moot.

[wayne1218]

IMO, if I am Boston, and by Savage's criteria:

Lincecum for Beckett (NO)

Cain for Beckett (NO)

Lincecum and Cain for Beckett (YES)

I say this because, let's look at this extremely hypothetical rotation:

Lincecum
Lester
Cain
Buchholz
Penny

(That's as good as it gets)


However, the whole situation is hypothetical and moot.

He said no to Lincecum & Cain for Beckett.

[mavskidd02]

He said no to Lincecum & Cain for Beckett.

I'm aware, I read the thread.

[wayne1218]

savage, There is no doubt in my mind that Francona is more important to Boston than Theo too. If i had to keep one or the other, give me Francona with no 2nd thoughts. Theo keeps moving down the chain ......

[savage1]

But Savvy... What is Halladay's stats in All-Star games? Playoffs? How did Lincecum and Cain do in Inter-League? Cactus League?

Isn't that what you use for your criteria for deciding things...All-Star Games and Inter-League play???

In this case I think the deciding criterion is the league and division the pitchers pitch in.
I believe AL East is the best division in baseball and that the Nl is a weaker league and the NL West is probably the worst or second worst division at best in that league.
Therefore, I know what Halladay and for that matter Beckett can do and have done in the better league and best division;I don't know how Lincecum and Cain would do if they pitched for the Sox.
The Sox want to win a WS this year;therefore, all things considered, I would not gamble that Lincecum and Cain could step right in and do what Beckett has done so far this year and in his career;therefore, I would not swap Beckett for the two SF pitchers but would take Halladay if forced to make the deal(God I hope they get him in any event before 7/31 even if it does mean giving up Buchholz and a few other players-he is creme dal la creme imo);does that make sense?

[wayne1218]

I'm aware, I read the thread.

Well you said savage's criteria and put a yes next to it. Which is it? Very confusing .......

[savage1]

IMO, if I am Boston, and by Savage's criteria:

Lincecum for Beckett (NO)

Cain for Beckett (NO)

Lincecum and Cain for Beckett (YES)

I say this because, let's look at this extremely hypothetical rotation:

Lincecum
Lester
Cain
Buchholz
Penny

(That's as good as it gets)


However, the whole situation is hypothetical and moot.

My last post addresses this point;I am talking about this season only at the moment.

[wayne1218]

I would not swap Beckett for the two SF pitchers

I'm just speechless savage. I can not think of one person anywhere in baseball that would think that way. Absolutely crazy.

[mavskidd02]

Well you said savage's criteria and put a yes next to it. Which is it? Very confusing .......

Savage's criteria:

Win a WS this year, Salaries don't matter. That was the criteria he set for his question. I have an answer of my own. Confused?

[savage1]

savage, There is no doubt in my mind that Francona is more important to Boston than Theo too. If i had to keep one or the other, give me Francona with no 2nd thoughts. Theo keeps moving down the chain ......

I would tend to agree.
PS Waybe- I cannot stress how good the book is Dynasty by Tony Massarotti if you have not already read it-it so much epitomizes and tells what really went on from the Duquette years through the present.

I let two of my friends who are both Sox diehards, and they both loved it also and coudn't put it down.

[wayne1218]

Savage's criteria:

Win a WS this year, Salaries don't matter. That was the criteria he set for his question. I have an answer of my own. Confused?

Now that you explained it no, i'm not confused no more.

[mavskidd02]

My last post addresses this point;I am talking about this season only at the moment.

I'm aware of that. And that is why I would not take Lincecum for Becks.