Is Curt Schilling a Hall of Famer?

[musclemann]

Sorry man, i didn't mean to come off that way. Basically all i meant was that it is based on opinion, so we could sit here all night and counter each other. I just don't have the energy to bother right now. lol

youre right wayne, to solely base belonging in the hall on numbers is wrong. No problem man take care.

[Three Jack]

Wayne I know you guys up on the east coast outside of ny love schilling which I have no problem with. He was a dominate pitcher in the playoffs. Besides that he was a better than average pitcher whose regular season stats dont merit THE HALL OF FAME. I give him the credit for that. He was on great teams in boston and had randy johnsons help in arizona.

I will repeat it, his regular season stats dont merit the hall and on top of that he is an amazing asshole. If had 250 plus wins, a great scoreless innings streak, had 100+plus career saves with his wins, was the leader among shutouts pitched I would definitely say he belonged in hall, outside of that he is in a group of pitchers that include

wilbur wood, kevin brown, and charlie hough..........

great pitcher in playoffs so if that is the determining factor I would say yes he is in.

Also I would definitely not be surprised if this loudmouth hadnt tried some of the product(steroids) that he has bitched about bonds and others using. His career seemed to take off in his 30's................... Jerry Reuss had 220 wins.......does he belong in hall?

Muscles, find me another 3-time 20 game winner in the steroid era...and he averaged 16 wins over 11 yrs! And how did Randy Johnson help Curt Shilling? Better yet, how does one pitche rhelp another?

A great scoreless streak? Are you serious? You rank that over 3 time 20 game winner? You rank a great 30 - 40 innings over 105 starts???

[Three Jack]

btw, I do agree on the amazing asshole part!!!

[tech fan]

If he gets in then mlb hall of fame will mean nothing.dale murphy for the atlanta braves did way more for any of his teams than schilling did for his.he had the dramatic blood in the sock moment that might get him some pitty votes but any baseball purist sees no way he gets in......

[NEJAKE]

I'd vote the asshole in!

[Three Jack]

If he gets in then mlb hall of fame will mean nothing.dale murphy for the atlanta braves did way more for any of his teams than schilling did for his.he had the dramatic blood in the sock moment that might get him some pitty votes but any baseball purist sees no way he gets in......

Dale Murphy did more for his team? How do you figure?

[tech fan]

dale murphy did more for his team? How do you figure?

from 1982-1987 he hit hr in each year


82-36
83-36
84-36
85-37
86-29
87-44

this was before the homerun days he was one of the most feared hitters in the game during this span.he also won 2 mvp awards back to back for a team that finished dead last in the national league.he also had a cal ripken like streak where he never missed a game.if he would have played in new york or la he would be a first ballot hall of famer.

[FB Coach13]

Curt Schilling may be a hall of famer but i dont think you can put him in until Bert Blyleven goes in. Quick look at their stats

Blyleven ---------- ----------------- Schilling

wins-287 ---------- ------------------ wins- 216
era-3.31 ---------- ------------------ era3.46
complete games-242 -------- ------------------- complet games- 83
shutouts-60 ---------- ------------------ shutouts- 20
post season- 5-1 2.47 era -------- --------------------- post season 11-2 2.23 era
world series titles-2 ----------- ------------------ world series titles- 3

In my opinion Blyleven should go in before schilling

[weazel079]

No. There's plenty of pitchers with identical stats that didn't get in. Just because he had talent around him when he won world series rings doesn't give him a pass to the hall. Does some pitcher with those same stats that played on the Pirates the last 20 years get in? For the hall of fame individual performances need to be considered, not team.

[BillMill71]

No,I dont think so.

That would be like saying "Don Mattingly should be in because he had 2 or 3 of the best offensive EVER (84/85/86)". But when you look at Mattingly's body of work he is compared to Bill "Moose" Skowron.

If you let in Schilling do you let in guys like - Jamie Moyer, Andy Pettitte, Mike Mussina, Chuck Finley, Pedro Martinez (Hell throw Ramon in there while you are at it), Kevin Appier, Pat Hentgen, Mark Langston?

This would be AFTER letting in guys like Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, and Johnson. Hell let everyone in.

I also think the should get the sock, and if it is indeed human blood, test it for steroids and HGH

[wayne1218]

If he gets in then mlb hall of fame will mean nothing.dale murphy for the atlanta braves did way more for any of his teams than schilling did for his.he had the dramatic blood in the sock moment that might get him some pitty votes but any baseball purist sees no way he gets in......

How many rings does Dale have again? I'm sorry but rings do make a difference, especially when you have 3 of them.

[wayne1218]

Curt Schilling may be a hall of famer but i dont think you can put him in until Bert Blyleven goes in. Quick look at their stats

Blyleven ---------- ----------------- Schilling

wins-287 ---------- ------------------ wins- 216
era-3.31 ---------- ------------------ era3.46
complete games-242 -------- ------------------- complet games- 83
shutouts-60 ---------- ------------------ shutouts- 20
post season- 5-1 2.47 era -------- --------------------- post season 11-2 2.23 era
world series titles-2 ----------- ------------------ world series titles- 3

In my opinion Blyleven should go in before schilling

Maybe Bert should be in but the stats are a little skewed. He played alot longer than Schilling to pile up the wins AND the league ERA was a run HIGHER when Curt pitched, meaning, based on their era, Curt had a much better era when compared to the league at the time.

I think Rings DO make a difference when you are talking about a borderline player and he wasn't just a player on a team that won, he was a VERY crucial component of those teams.

[wayne1218]

Does some pitcher with those same stats that played on the Pirates the last 20 years get in? For the hall of fame individual performances need to be considered, not team.

If he led them to multiple WS Wins, YES!!!

[wayne1218]

if he would have played in new york or la he would be a first ballot hall of famer.

I really don't understand this theory AT ALL from people. Greg Maddux play in Atlanta? How about Tom Glavine? Chipper Jones? John Smoltz?

I know 3 of those 4 are locks for the Hall and playing in Atlanta won't keep them out. They won and it does matter to voters. It doesn't matter where you play, if you win nothing during your career, it will make it a little harder to get in, unless you are someone like the HR King, than they can't keep you out.

[musclemann]

No,I dont think so.

That would be like saying "Don Mattingly should be in because he had 2 or 3 of the best offensive EVER (84/85/86)". But when you look at Mattingly's body of work he is compared to Bill "Moose" Skowron.

If you let in Schilling do you let in guys like - Jamie Moyer, Andy Pettitte, Mike Mussina, Chuck Finley, Pedro Martinez (Hell throw Ramon in there while you are at it), Kevin Appier, Pat Hentgen, Mark Langston?

This would be AFTER letting in guys like Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, and Johnson. Hell let everyone in.

I also think the should get the sock, and if it is indeed human blood, test it for steroids and HGH

bill you hit the nail on the head. The voters are so strict on who they've let in the hall and by letting curt in it would be going against the level of performance the voters have established.


btw byleven pitched just 2 more seaons than schilling and had 70-75 something more victories.