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  • The Global Warming Hoax continued:

    If this were not so pathetic it would be laughable. How anyone puts any blind trust in these "panels" is beyond me



    UN climate change panel based claims on student dissertation and magazine article
    The United Nations' expert panel on climate change based claims about ice disappearing from the world's mountain tops on a student's dissertation and an article in a mountaineering magazine.





    By Richard Gray, Science Correspondent and Rebecca Lefort
    Published: 9:00PM GMT 30 Jan 2010


    Officials were forced earlier this month to retract inaccurate claims in the IPCC's report about the melting of Himalayan glaciers Photo: GETTY The revelation will cause fresh embarrassment for the The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which had to issue a humiliating apology earlier this month over inaccurate statements about global warming.

    The IPCC's remit is to provide an authoritative assessment of scientific evidence on climate change.


    Second blunder by UN climate science panel In its most recent report, it stated that observed reductions in mountain ice in the Andes, Alps and Africa was being caused by global warming, citing two papers as the source of the information.

    However, it can be revealed that one of the sources quoted was a feature article published in a popular magazine for climbers which was based on anecdotal evidence from mountaineers about the changes they were witnessing on the mountainsides around them.

    The other was a dissertation written by a geography student, studying for the equivalent of a master's degree, at the University of Berne in Switzerland that quoted interviews with mountain guides in the Alps.

    The revelations, uncovered by The Sunday Telegraph, have raised fresh questions about the quality of the information contained in the report, which was published in 2007.

    It comes after officials for the panel were forced earlier this month to retract inaccurate claims in the IPCC's report about the melting of Himalayan glaciers.

    Sceptics have seized upon the mistakes to cast doubt over the validity of the IPCC and have called for the panel to be disbanded.

    This week scientists from around the world leapt to the defence of the IPCC, insisting that despite the errors, which they describe as minor, the majority of the science presented in the IPCC report is sound and its conclusions are unaffected.

    But some researchers have expressed exasperation at the IPCC's use of unsubstantiated claims and sources outside of the scientific literature.

    Professor Richard Tol, one of the report's authors who is based at the Economic and Social Research Institute in Dublin, Ireland, said: "These are essentially a collection of anecdotes.

    "Why did they do this? It is quite astounding. Although there have probably been no policy decisions made on the basis of this, it is illustrative of how sloppy Working Group Two (the panel of experts within the IPCC responsible for drawing up this section of the report) has been.

    "There is no way current climbers and mountain guides can give anecdotal evidence back to the 1900s, so what they claim is complete nonsense."

    The IPCC report, which is published every six years, is used by government's worldwide to inform policy decisions that affect billions of people.

    The claims about disappearing mountain ice were contained within a table entitled "Selected observed effects due to changes in the cryosphere produced by warming".

    It states that reductions in mountain ice have been observed from the loss of ice climbs in the Andes, Alps and in Africa between 1900 and 2000.

    The report also states that the section is intended to "assess studies that have been published since the TAR (Third Assessment Report) of observed changes and their effects".

    But neither the dissertation or the magazine article cited as sources for this information were ever subject to the rigorous scientific review process that research published in scientific journals must undergo.

    The magazine article, which was written by Mark Bowen, a climber and author of two books on climate change, appeared in Climbing magazine in 2002. It quoted anecdotal evidence from climbers of retreating glaciers and the loss of ice from climbs since the 1970s.

    Mr Bowen said: "I am surprised that they have cited an article from a climbing magazine, but there is no reason why anecdotal evidence from climbers should be disregarded as they are spending a great deal of time in places that other people rarely go and so notice the changes."

    The dissertation paper, written by professional mountain guide and climate change campaigner Dario-Andri Schworer while he was studying for a geography degree, quotes observations from interviews with around 80 mountain guides in the Bernina region of the Swiss Alps.

    Experts claim that loss of ice climbs are a poor indicator of a reduction in mountain ice as climbers can knock ice down and damage ice falls with their axes and crampons.

    The IPCC has faced growing criticism over the sources it used in its last report after it emerged the panel had used unsubstantiated figures on glacial melting in the Himalayas that were contained within a World Wildlife Fund (WWF) report.

    It can be revealed that the IPCC report made use of 16 non-peer reviewed WWF reports.

    One claim, which stated that coral reefs near mangrove forests contained up to 25 times more fish numbers than those without mangroves nearby, quoted a feature article on the WWF website.

    In fact the data contained within the WWF article originated from a paper published in 2004 in the respected journal Nature.

    In another example a WWF paper on forest fires was used to illustrate the impact of reduced rainfall in the Amazon rainforest, but the data was from another Nature paper published in 1999.

    When The Sunday Telegraph contacted the lead scientists behind the two papers in Nature, they expressed surprise that their research was not cited directly but said the IPCC had accurately represented their work.

    The chair of the IPCC Rajendra Pachauri has faced mounting pressure and calls for his resignation amid the growing controversy over the error on glacier melting and use of unreliable sources of information.

    A survey of 400 authors and contributors to the IPCC report showed, however, that the majority still support Mr Pachauri and the panel's vice chairs. They also insisted the overall findings of the report are robust despite the minor errors.

    But many expressed concern at the use of non-peer reviewed information in the reports and called for a tightening of the guidelines on how information can be used.

    The Met Office, which has seven researchers who contributed to the report including Professor Martin Parry who was co-chair of the working group responsible for the part of the report that contained the glacier errors, said: "The IPCC should continue to ensure that its review process is as robust and transparent as possible, that it draws only from the peer-reviewed literature, and that uncertainties in the science and projections are clearly expressed."

    Roger Sedjo, a senior research fellow at the US research organisation Resources for the Future who also contributed to the IPCC's latest report, added: "The IPCC is, unfortunately, a highly political organisation with most of the secretariat bordering on climate advocacy.

    "It needs to develop a more balanced and indeed scientifically sceptical behaviour pattern. The organisation tend to select the most negative studies ignoring more positive alternatives."

    The IPCC failed to respond to questions about the inclusion of unreliable sources in its report but it has insisted over the past week that despite minor errors, the findings of the report are still robust and consistent with the underlying science.
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  • #2

    anyone?????
    jordanrules..................

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    • #3
      If its a hoax then why are the polar caps melting and more and land is sinking below sea level every year?

      How do we explain more volatile hurricane seasons with the warming of the Atlantic by a few degrees.

      Global warming doesnt mean it will be 85 and sunny year round or that we will never see sub zero temps again.

      I always get a crack when someone makes a joke about global warming when the weather gets cold like it doesnt exist.

      PEACE

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      • #4
        It's ridiculous

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MtrCtyPimp View Post
          I always get a crack when someone makes a joke about global warming when the weather gets cold like it doesnt exist.

          PEACE
          you mean like when someone says one ice cap is shrinking, but doesn't talk about another one growing?
          “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."

          Gerald Ford

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MtrCtyPimp View Post
            If its a hoax then why are the polar caps melting and more and land is sinking below sea level every year?

            PEACE
            i would like to see an example of this. some of my family live at the beach, i go there all the time and i haven't seen ANY evidence of this at all!
            “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."

            Gerald Ford

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            • #7
              Originally posted by husker View Post
              i would like to see an example of this. some of my family live at the beach, i go there all the time and i haven't seen ANY evidence of this at all!
              what beach? just because the beach you go to isn't sinking doesn't mean that its not true. I say, why don't we error on the side of caution?! We should respect the earth that God has let us use.
              "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." -Mark Twain

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              • #8
                Didn't exxon and other oil companies admit to paying scientists about how oil wasn't causing global warming etc.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by grandmama View Post
                  what beach? just because the beach you go to isn't sinking doesn't mean that its not true. I say, why don't we error on the side of caution?! We should respect the earth that God has let us use.
                  delaware

                  give me an example of some place that the water is rising.

                  this thing about "why don't we error on the side of caution" drives me crazy. i am not ready to go to any expense just because there may be a chance something is true. do you not cross the street because there is a chance a car may hit you? do you not drive a car because you there is a chance you could be in a accident? most drugs have a chance of a side effect, do you not take them? this has gotten way out of control and it's all about MONEY.

                  i'm not saying that some things can't be done to help the environment, but it's gotten crazy the last 10 years. if you don't think most of it is about money, look at how much al gore has made of of this.
                  “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."

                  Gerald Ford

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BettorsChat View Post
                    Didn't exxon and other oil companies admit to paying scientists about how oil wasn't causing global warming etc.

                    groups on both sides pay for study's, and they are pro their side. this just makes my point, you can make most things look the way you want them to look. no one has proven anything, so why should massive amounts of money be spent on something that's not proven?
                    “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."

                    Gerald Ford

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                    • #11
                      I have no problem with Global warming, it happened before and will happen again. Natural cyle

                      It is not something we can control or cause to any degree of certainty.



                      Man is not responsible for Global warming and scientists have to stop lying about it because they lose all credibility.
                      NBA is a joke

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by husker View Post
                        delaware

                        give me an example of some place that the water is rising.

                        this thing about "why don't we error on the side of caution" drives me crazy. i am not ready to go to any expense just because there may be a chance something is true. do you not cross the street because there is a chance a car may hit you? do you not drive a car because you there is a chance you could be in a accident? most drugs have a chance of a side effect, do you not take them? this has gotten way out of control and it's all about MONEY.

                        i'm not saying that some things can't be done to help the environment, but it's gotten crazy the last 10 years. if you don't think most of it is about money, look at how much al gore has made of of this.
                        Nova Scotia.

                        Most of the issues we're dealing with today are a risk/reward relationship. If there's a risk of terrorist activity then we have to weigh how serious that risk is and what action is required. It's the same in this instance. You have to weigh the cost vs. the risk. There are some relatively inexpensive things that we can do by encouraging the development of alternative energy sources and more efficient vehicles and then there are some that require more cost than it may be worth. From my perspective, the rising levels of CO2 are a serious concern and while the effects seem to be a controversial political topic, there is mounting evidence that these levels are correlated to changes in climate around the world. For me, I'd rather not test how far we can take this thing.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by husker View Post
                          delaware

                          give me an example of some place that the water is rising.

                          this thing about "why don't we error on the side of caution" drives me crazy. i am not ready to go to any expense just because there may be a chance something is true. do you not cross the street because there is a chance a car may hit you? do you not drive a car because you there is a chance you could be in a accident? most drugs have a chance of a side effect, do you not take them? this has gotten way out of control and it's all about MONEY.

                          i'm not saying that some things can't be done to help the environment, but it's gotten crazy the last 10 years. if you don't think most of it is about money, look at how much al gore has made of of this.
                          Great Barrier Reef. Madagascar. Husker, you've been to one beach. your sample size is a total of.......1! You know that's a joke... Come on man.
                          "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." -Mark Twain

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                          • #14
                            What should we do about the gases from cows?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by grandmama View Post
                              Great Barrier Reef. Madagascar. Husker, you've been to one beach. your sample size is a total of.......1! You know that's a joke... Come on man.
                              Originally posted by ctt8410 View Post
                              Nova Scotia.
                              so what you are saying is ocean level is going up some places and not others? that's proof that sea level is rising.

                              does anyone realize how big the oceans are? do you really think that, even if some ice caps were melting, that it would make that much of a difference.




                              http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/science/11obseas.html

                              Sea level falling around Australia

                              “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."

                              Gerald Ford

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