More Obama lies....televised healthcare debates

[10DimeBry]

Is it good for the country. Absolutely. It's a start on the right path for health care for all the people here, not just the ones who can afford it. It may not be the perfect model, but for right now, it's better than the current situation, which is a burden on the middle class tax payers. PERIOD!

just curious where do you draw the line as to what is people are entitled too?

First its food
then its housing
then its day care
then its a cell phone
then its heathcare
then its clothing

exactly when do people have to take responsibility for themselves?? i'm just curious?

also are poor people entitled to a car or a flat screen TV or a nintendo Wii or a set of Ping irons .......how bout a membership at a country club? how bout airplanes? how bout 10,000sq ft mansion or a yacht, or a rolex. where exactly do you draw the line with the handouts??? You may think i'm joking ......fact is IM NOT!!! I would like an answer please and thank you.

[10DimeBry]

Why does everything have to be so cut and dry? Why do you have to be a liberal or a conservative? Can you just be on different sides of different topics? And your wrong about CA, we have more conservatives than liberals, way too much money here. Nobody like taxes.

why is CA bankrupt then?

[BigWeiner]

You didn't ask me, but I hate the handouts. I think the system is flawed. I think people should receive unemployment, but only if they are seriously looking for a job. I think unemployment is about half your salary, so that's about right, it's not easy to live on half of what you were making. Veterans should get more, not necessarily more money, but more free shit, like food, housing. And I think everyone should get healthcare. You don't think people should get healthcare?

[KazDog]

just curious where do you draw the line as to what is people are entitled too?

First its food
then its housing
then its day care
then its a cell phone
then its heathcare
then its clothing

exactly when do people have to take responsibility for themselves?? i'm just curious?

also are poor people entitled to a car or a flat screen TV or a nintendo Wii or a set of Ping irons .......how bout a membership at a country club? how bout airplanes? how bout 10,000sq ft mansion or a yacht, or a rolex. where exactly do you draw the line with the handouts??? You may think i'm joking ......fact is IM NOT!!! I would like an answer please and thank you.

Pretty silly there bro. All these people on welfare and getting gov't handouts are getting rich right? I know, they're making millions Dime. You're so worried about poor people in this country getting assistance, but not concerned that we've spent trillions in a bogus war in Iraq.

KAZ

[KazDog]

guys why bother arguing?? lets just face it. if you are a liberal you like high taxes and government run everything. That is all there really is to it. Just look at NY and cali as examples. Both states are very liberal and both states have the highest taxes in the nation and both states have massive debts. More people flee NYS then any other state in the union. Why? cause ppl here are sick and tired of paying their hard earned tax dollars for failing programs that are mismanaged by the state government.

You left a few off there Dime.....Lemme help you out.

Conservatives believe that rich people deserve tax breaks because somehow, that money will eventually trickle down to poor people. How'd that work out for the country the past 8 years? Never mind that greed is why that ideology is flawed. Conservatives also believe that their religious and moral values should be shoved down everyone's throat, because people shouldn't have a right to choose how they live their lives.

[BigWeiner]

why is CA bankrupt then?

It's a mess, high taxes, too many handouts etc etc

[BigWeiner]

Here's an email I just got, $18 to park, as if I don't pay enough taxes

Please note that the City of Oakland has implemented a MANDATORY parking tax on ALL events being held at Oracle Arena and the Oakland Alameda-Coliseum, which regrettably includes all Golden State Warriors home games. It marks the first parking tax instituted since the opening of the original sports complex in 1966.

Due to this city mandate – effective as of January 1, 2010 -- the Warriors have been forced to increase parking rates at Oracle Arena from $15 to $18 per game. We regret this city-imposed action and sincerely apologize for any inconvenience that it will cause to our valued fan base who regularly attend Warriors home games. The increase marks the first in individual parking rates since 2005.

Sincerely,

Golden State Warriors

[10DimeBry]

Pretty silly there bro. All these people on welfare and getting gov't handouts are getting rich right? I know, they're making millions Dime. You're so worried about poor people in this country getting assistance, but not concerned that we've spent trillions in a bogus war in Iraq.

KAZ

bro what is it about you and spending money on a war??? do you even realize that a govt run healthcare system will cost more in 1 year then it cost for every single war we have fought in the past 50years combined!!!!! A bogus war.....bro how bout a bogus healthcare bill.

As far as my view on poor people it's really simple. We here in the united states have the most selfish group of lazy uneducated poor people in the history of the world. The poor here get just about everything needed to live a care free life for NOTHING. (The rest of us who have a conscious and pride in ourselves pay for these LAZY SOB's. Oh and i'm not talking about the person who lost their job and is looking I'll give anyone 6months or even a year max to get their shit together. I would work 3 jobs if i had to, to support my family no way in hell i'd mooch off the government FUCK THAT have some dignity,respect and pride in yourself)Im talking about those ppl who just dont give a fuck and want everything handed to them for nothing. free healthcare....free food free housing free daycare free clothing. oh and a free cell phone to chat it up. Oh and free school. How bout you ask a poor person in eastern africa how much of thee above they get handed too them.......you know what they get ......ZERO!!!!!

[10DimeBry]

It's a mess, high taxes, too many handouts etc etc

see we agree. high taxes are directly related to government handouts. Government does not have one single dollar. Not one. Every dollar they have comes from the taxpayer. Do you realize tax paying legally working americans pay over 60% of their earned income in total taxes. There have been more taxes introduced and signed into law in the past 40yrs then there was in the first 190+years combined. Think about it we are taxed on everything. Cell phone,cable,internet,sirius radio, soda,bottled water,parking,smoking,eating, tickets to shows,concerts etc.....the list goes on and on and on. Has anyone every asked themself.......What the fuck do i get for paying all these taxes????

[flarendep1]

You didn't ask me, but I hate the handouts. I think the system is flawed. I think people should receive unemployment, but only if they are seriously looking for a job. I think unemployment is about half your salary, so that's about right, it's not easy to live on half of what you were making. Veterans should get more, not necessarily more money, but more free shit, like food, housing. And I think everyone should get healthcare. You don't think people should get healthcare?

Some common ground here finally BW. I have no problem with unemployment as long as they are seeking employment and there is a time limit. Agree with you on Veterans.

Although the one big problem here that is not being discussed is jobs.

People should and can get healthcare. We should have just insured the already unisured (12-30 million) for a pitance of what this new scam will cost. I would be Ok with that but again, where do you draw the line and how do you stop illegal immigration which will bankrupt the system??

The impact on Jobs will be due to forcing everyone on a system that will cost small business (the largest job providers) more and more. Eventually they will be choked out and lay people off.

Dimer is dead right with people leaving the state of NY because of taxes. Many of them the same ones that vote these idiots back in office each year. Then they go into other states and vote for the same crap.

[KazDog]

bro what is it about you and spending money on a war??? do you even realize that a govt run healthcare system will cost more in 1 year then it cost for every single war we have fought in the past 50years combined!!!!! A bogus war.....bro how bout a bogus healthcare bill.

As far as my view on poor people it's really simple. We here in the united states have the most selfish group of lazy uneducated poor people in the history of the world. The poor here get just about everything needed to live a care free life for NOTHING. (The rest of us who have a conscious and pride in ourselves pay for these LAZY SOB's. Oh and i'm not talking about the person who lost their job and is looking I'll give anyone 6months or even a year max to get their shit together. I would work 3 jobs if i had to, to support my family no way in hell i'd mooch off the government FUCK THAT have some dignity,respect and pride in yourself)Im talking about those ppl who just dont give a fuck and want everything handed to them for nothing. free healthcare....free food free housing free daycare free clothing. oh and a free cell phone to chat it up. Oh and free school. How bout you ask a poor person in eastern africa how much of thee above they get handed too them.......you know what they get ......ZERO!!!!!

Sorry man. Not even close. The war has cost trillions and trillions already. Why is it that Germany, the UK, France, Italy, Sweden, Canada, Japan, Norway, Israel, Spain, Australia, Greece etc, etc, etc....ALL HAVE UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE??? And they are ranked the highest with regards to the best health care systems in the world? Except Canada. And yet we continue to have this money sucking, insurance fraud, health care system??? They're not all socialized but close to it.

And sorry to say as well, not everyone can just walk out the door and find work. It just don't work that way, never has and never will. What are you going to do when their 6 months or year is up? Sorry, that big welfare check you're getting is gone, along with the soup lines, along with health care, along with free schooling. You'd have civil unrest and people killing for food....It don't work that way. You're right, we will be just like Africa.

KAZ

[Jamaicanman]

Sorry man. Not even close. The war has cost trillions and trillions already. Why is it that Germany, the UK, France, Italy, Sweden, Canada, Japan, Norway, Israel, Spain, Australia, Greece etc, etc, etc....ALL HAVE UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE??? And they are ranked the highest with regards to the best health care systems in the world? Except Canada. And yet we continue to have this money sucking, insurance fraud, health care system??? They're not all socialized but close to it.

And sorry to say as well, not everyone can just walk out the door and find work. It just don't work that way, never has and never will. What are you going to do when their 6 months or year is up? Sorry, that big welfare check you're getting is gone, along with the soup lines, along with health care, along with free schooling. You'd have civil unrest and people killing for food....It don't work that way. You're right, we will be just like Africa.

KAZ

So who qualifies for Medicaid?

And I cannot believe as much as you whine about the past administration (1 year out of office mind you), you don't want an honest President. You write that it is ok for the President to lie. Why do you accept that?
And as far as telling Repubs that it's the Dems time to jam things down the people's throats; are you serious? Because the Republicans did shitty things it is correct (according to you) for the Dems to do the same? Is that CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN?

And if you can (doubtful I know) but can you stay on the topic of transparency and honesty. Both of hich were promised by our President. Not war, socialized medicine, etc. Honesty and transparency..

[10DimeBry]

And sorry to say as well, not everyone can just walk out the door and find work. It just don't work that way, never has and never will. What are you going to do when their 6 months or year is up? Sorry, that big welfare check you're getting is gone, along with the soup lines, along with health care, along with free schooling. You'd have civil unrest and people killing for food....It don't work that way. You're right, we will be just like Africa.

KAZ

when the free ck is gone how bout try working at walmart or McDonalds or a grocery store or the **** or a gas station. I have far more respect for the people who are working hard for a small amount of money then i do for those who sit on their ass and do jack shit and get a govt handout. A majority of the poor are lazy because our govt affords them to be that way. Think about it Kaz think about it!!!

[KazDog]

So who qualifies for Medicaid?

And I cannot believe as much as you whine about the past administration (1 year out of office mind you), you don't want an honest President. You write that it is ok for the President to lie. Why do you accept that?
And as far as telling Repubs that it's the Dems time to jam things down the people's throats; are you serious? Because the Republicans did shitty things it is correct (according to you) for the Dems to do the same? Is that CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN?

And if you can (doubtful I know) but can you stay on the topic of transparency and honesty. Both of hich were promised by our President. Not war, socialized medicine, etc. Honesty and transparency..

He came out and said he made a mistake about security of the botched terrorist attack. How much more honest does he need to be for you?

And how many times do I have to beat a dead fucking horse Gbell? This health care bill has been transparent, every stinking step of the way. So the final negotiations aren't. Now you're getting a sense of what was going on for 6 years in congress prior to this administration.

I could care less that a conservative is bothered over behind closed doors negotiations. It's nothing more than what the rest of us have put up with. All of a sudden, it's bothering you now? Sorry, you'll just have to deal with it. You'll get no sympathy from me. You'll have plenty of time, according to HB to mull it over when it comes out.

[KazDog]

when the free ck is gone how bout try working at walmart or McDonalds or a grocery store or the **** or a gas station. I have far more respect for the people who are working hard for a small amount of money then i do for those who sit on their ass and do jack shit and get a govt handout. A majority of the poor are lazy because our govt affords them to be that way. Think about it Kaz think about it!!!

There's nothing to think about Bry. You either take it away from everyone or make it accessible for everyone. So if no one gets any help when they cant find a job, what happens to them Bry? That's why that'll never happen my friend. Because even hard liners know you just cant take it away from everyone. That's why we aren't like Africa or any other third world country. We provide for the welfare of everyone in this country. It's part of being a tax paying American and free to be the capitalists that we all are.

KAZ