Do you know who Robert Creamer is ??

[Jamaicanman]

im sorry 45000 people a year. We all cant be quite as intelligent as you.


Whats 45000 a year people right? What about the people who go into long term illness cant get treatment for minor, to severe problems without insurance?

Would you think that numbers are in thousands?

but you got your health insurance right???

Thats all that matters right.

Source for 45k? Everywhere I read it's 22k.

[flarendep1]

Source for 45k? Everywhere I read it's 22k.

Facts really dont matter when you have an agenda JM,
just like the Global Warming Nazis.


Oh and its Bush's fault when anyone dies.

[PhilJr]

You dig me buts its ok. You questioned an intelligent answer and you come across as being a very sharp individual and I was giving props to that fact.

Don't dig you. If you must know I do have my own insurance which costs me about $12,000 per year. I worked my ass off to get to the point I am now where I can afford to pay it. Without saying it's Bush's fault shouldn't everyone try to get a job to be able to pay for their own insurance or have employer sponsorsed insurance??? I answered your question, now do you have insurance and who pays for yours???

[musclemann]

Don't dig you. If you must know I do have my own insurance which costs me about $12,000 per year. I worked my ass off to get to the point I am now where I can afford to pay it. Without saying it's Bush's fault shouldn't everyone try to get a job to be able to pay for their own insurance or have employer sponsorsed insurance??? I answered your question, now do you have insurance and who pays for yours???

Listen I dont give a rats ass if you pay for your insurance or not. Obviously since you have your own insurance(like I thought) you could care less about families who are unemplyed or who recently became unemployed and cant afford the 24000 a year cobra payments. I know you worked your but off so screw the next man.
Im sure anyone who needs this is just some one trying to screw the system over like the welfare queens of the 80's right?

I didnt pose any question to you but you come across as some smart ass in my post and then when I hit you back you say im bitter. You think your the only one who works hard in this country, who pays for their health insurance, who pays taxes?Well to in enlighten you mr. glenn beck plenty of people outside of your little world does the EXACT same thing and are willing to help the next man.

The insurance plan that I have are one of the ones that would be taxed up the ying yang but im not on here bitching and moaning about it because hopefully it will be used to help someone who actually needs medical who cant afford it.

Next time you enter someones posts and make a smart ass comment expect one back. And if you dont like the system you can always quit that job you have up there in there wisconsin and get all the freebies that glenn beck and rush limbaugh claim the welfare recipients get.

[Jamaicanman]

Source for 45k? Everywhere I read it's 22k.

Bump for MM, and the reason I ask for your source is you seem to have some very strong feelings on the subject of healthcare, and I wonder if it is influenced by incorrect information. Assuming your numbers of thousands daily or 45k are inaccurate.

[grandmama]

Bump for MM, and the reason I ask for your source is you seem to have some very strong feelings on the subject of healthcare, and I wonder if it is influenced by incorrect information. Assuming your numbers of thousands daily or 45k are inaccurate.

1 death a day is too much.

[Jamaicanman]

1 death a day is too much.

Agree, as I posted earlier. But I am interested in MM's answer only because I wonder if people are influenced by inaccurate information. Assuming it is of course.

[musclemann]

Source for 45k? Everywhere I read it's 22k.

Make your own conclusions. I think the total is much greater.


Harvard Medical Study Links Lack of Insurance to 45,000 U.S. Deaths a Year
By REED ABELSON
As the White House and Congress continue debating how best to provide coverage to tens of millions of Americans currently without health insurance, a new study (PDF) is meant to offer a stark reminder of why lawmakers should continue to try. Researchers from Harvard Medical School say the lack of coverage can be tied to about 45,000 deaths a year in the United States — a toll that is greater than the number of people who die each year from kidney disease.

“If you extend coverage, you can save lives,” said Dr. Steffie Woolhandler, a professor of medicine at Harvard who is one of the study’s authors. The research is being published in the December issue of the American Journal of Public Health and was posted online Thursday.

The Harvard study found that people without health insurance had a 40 percent higher risk of death than those with private health insurance — as a result of being unable to obtain necessary medical care. The risk appears to have increased since 1993, when a similar study found the risk of death was 25 percent greater for the uninsured.

The increase in risk, according to the study, is likely to be a result of at least two factors. One is the greater difficulty the uninsured have today in finding care, as public hospitals have closed or cut back on services. The other is improvements in medical care for insured people with treatable chronic conditions like high blood pressure.

“As health care for the insured gets better, the gap between the insured and uninsured widens,” Dr. Woolhandler said.

The researchers also concluded that other ways of delivering care to the uninsured, like providing them with community health centers, are not adequate substitutes for health insurance. Individuals need the access to hospitals and specialists that comes only with adequate insurance coverage, Dr. Woolhander said.

Dr. Woolhandler said the study should prompt policymakers in Washington to consider the impact of scaling back any effort to provide truly universal coverage. She expressed concern about some lawmakers’ willingness to adopt a plan that could expand coverage to only a portion of the nearly 50 million people who are without health insurance. As a proponent for a single-payer system — something like Medicare for all — she said she was also disappointed in the current proposals before Congress.

Dr. Woolhandler, who has also conducted extensive research on medical-related bankruptcies, cautioned that expanding coverage would not be meaningful if the coverage is not generous enough. People might still not be able to afford care if they have to pay large deductibles or too great a share of their over all medical bills.

“Health insurance can only make you healthier if you have access to care,” she said.

[Jamaicanman]

Asked and answered. I had never seen this article. Most I have seen estimate at 22k, but as I mentioned earlier, I think none of these articles and studies can be 100% accurate. Where did the President go to law school again?

[PhilJr]

Listen I dont give a rats ass if you pay for your insurance or not. Obviously since you have your own insurance(like I thought) you could care less about families who are unemplyed or who recently became unemployed and cant afford the 24000 a year cobra payments. I know you worked your but off so screw the next man.
Im sure anyone who needs this is just some one trying to screw the system over like the welfare queens of the 80's right?

I didnt pose any question to you but you come across as some smart ass in my post and then when I hit you back you say im bitter. You think your the only one who works hard in this country, who pays for their health insurance, who pays taxes?Well to in enlighten you mr. glenn beck plenty of people outside of your little world does the EXACT same thing and are willing to help the next man.

The insurance plan that I have are one of the ones that would be taxed up the ying yang but im not on here bitching and moaning about it because hopefully it will be used to help someone who actually needs medical who cant afford it.

Next time you enter someones posts and make a smart ass comment expect one back. And if you dont like the system you can always quit that job you have up there in there wisconsin and get all the freebies that glenn beck and rush limbaugh claim the welfare recipients get.

If you didn't give a rat's ass if I pay for my own insurance, why did you ask? FYI, I do care about those that lost their jobs. It's the people who don't want to work and collect the freebies at the expense of every taxpayer that I don't like. Every year, I give $10-20,000 to local charities where I know the money is used to specifically help those in need. I also help supply food directly to local people who can use the assistance.
Next time, before you accuse people of something, you may want to know more about it.

[grandmama]

If you didn't give a rat's ass if I pay for my own insurance, why did you ask? FYI, I do care about those that lost their jobs. It's the people who don't want to work and collect the freebies at the expense of every taxpayer that I don't like. Every year, I give $10-20,000 to local charities where I know the money is used to specifically help those in need. I also help supply food directly to local people who can use the assistance.
Next time, before you accuse people of something, you may want to know more about it.

I'm the pres and CEO of a non profit group down here: The Human Fund. Maybe you can get up with sparky or monte, and they'll send you my email.. 20 grand should be enough.. I attched some info about my organization. Thanks Phil, I will be looking for the check this weekend.

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[grandmama]

Asked and answered. I had never seen this article. Most I have seen estimate at 22k, but as I mentioned earlier, I think none of these articles and studies can be 100% accurate. Where did the President go to law school again?

I saw that yesterday, but it was a shady site, and the first link on google. I would supect it is somewhere in the range of 15000- 75000 a year. I wonder how they come up with the estimate.

[Jamaicanman]

I'm the pres and CEO of a non profit group down here: The Human Fund. Maybe you can get up with sparky or monte, and they'll send you my email.. 20 grand should be enough.. I attched some info about my organization. Thanks Phil, I will be looking for the check this weekend.

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Money for People!!!

[Jamaicanman]

I saw that yesterday, but it was a shady site, and the first link on google. I would supect it is somewhere in the range of 15000- 75000 a year. I wonder how they come up with the estimate.

I wonder also how they do it considering people w/o insurance can still (inefficiently) go to emergency rooms. I mean if God forbid you die the day after losing your job or your Cobra coverage, do you count in that number even if you've had insurance all along? And the reason I ask these questions is b/c policies are discussed and turned into law based on these numbers, so they should be somewhat accurate I would hope.

[PhilJr]

I'm the pres and CEO of a non profit group down here: The Human Fund. Maybe you can get up with sparky or monte, and they'll send you my email.. 20 grand should be enough.. I attched some info about my organization. Thanks Phil, I will be looking for the check this weekend.

http://freeworldradionetwork.net/Sit...und-731387.jpg

Mail is kind of slow from here, may not get there until next weekend