Move Over Brady Rodgers Now The NFL's Best Player

[kbsooner21]

He's entitled to his opinion and I'm sure has his reasons...but Peyton is without a doubt one of the best of all time...he lacks the rings, but that's about it, his stats and winning % is awesome...basically changed how qbs play by being coach on field, calling plays, reading Ds then executing...then again this is my opinion and I'm sure plenty guys here disagree with my assessment.

Not if they know a damn thing about football

[10DimeBry]

This year kills your argument. What talent?

how so? #18 had all the talent in the world surrounding him for nearly 10 seasons and a great coach.

You ppl make it like I think #18 sucks as a QB. I dont think he sucks. i simply think he is overrated. is he a HOF qb of course.
Is he a top 5 qb of all time....no way. I'd find it difficult to have him in my top 10.


I honestly hate the most that the NFL sucks the guy off. That pisses me off. Hell if you look at the SB #18 won .....the NFL gave him the game MVP.....he didnt even deserve it. If you think im kidding go look it up or re-watch the game.

[ogarza]

how so? #18 had all the talent in the world surrounding him for nearly 10 seasons and a great coach.

You ppl make it like I think #18 sucks as a QB. I dont think he sucks. i simply think he is overrated. is he a HOF qb of course.
Is he a top 5 qb of all time....no way. I'd find it difficult to have him in my top 10.


I honestly hate the most that the NFL sucks the guy off. That pisses me off. Hell if you look at the SB #18 won .....the NFL gave him the game MVP.....he didnt even deserve it. If you think im kidding go look it up or re-watch the game.

Did u feel Brady deserved MVP for the 1st SB win?

[10DimeBry]

Did u feel Brady deserved MVP for the 1st SB win?

not necessarily.

but brady has won 3 SB. and also lost 1.
#18 has only made it to 1 SB in his career with all that talent on both sides of the ball. What does that tell you?

[kbsooner21]

how so? #18 had all the talent in the world surrounding him for nearly 10 seasons and a great coach.

You ppl make it like I think #18 sucks as a QB. I dont think he sucks. i simply think he is overrated. is he a HOF qb of course.
Is he a top 5 qb of all time....no way. I'd find it difficult to have him in my top 10.


I honestly hate the most that the NFL sucks the guy off. That pisses me off. Hell if you look at the SB #18 won .....the NFL gave him the game MVP.....he didnt even deserve it. If you think im kidding go look it up or re-watch the game.

He has the same talent this year as he's always had. Zero wins because Manning hasn't played. They'd be 4-1 at worst if #18 is taking snaps

[wayne1218]

Did u feel Brady deserved MVP for the 1st SB win?

NO DOUBT!!!

Warner drove down for the tying TD with 1:30 left and i'll never forget the announcers screaming for Brady to play it safe and go to overtime .... as he drove them down the field for the game winning FG. His rb was antowain smith and his top 2 receivers in the game were Troy Brown and JR Redmond. They beat Warner, Faulk, Hakim, Holt and Bruce. That drive put Brady on the map and there was nobody else to give it to, including the kicker!

[ogarza]

NO DOUBT!!!

Warner drove down for the tying TD with 1:30 left and i'll never forget the announcers screaming for Brady to play it safe and go to overtime .... as he drove them down the field for the game winning FG. His rb was antowain smith and his top 2 receivers in the game were Troy Brown and JR Redmond. They beat Warner, Faulk, Hakim, Holt and Bruce. That drive put Brady on the map and there was nobody else to give it to, including the kicker!

No one else to give it to sounds right he got it by default...from my recollection the pats D won that game, in particular Ty law had a great game...Brady didn't do one thingbto stop Warner, faulk, hakim, holt or Bruce...we splitting hairs really...I agree with kb, Peyton is great, those who don't acknowledge that just hating really.

[wayne1218]

No one else to give it to sounds right he got it by default...from my recollection the pats D won that game, in particular Ty law had a great game...Brady didn't do one thingbto stop Warner, faulk, hakim, holt or Bruce...we splitting hairs really...I agree with kb, Peyton is great, those who don't acknowledge that just hating really.

The Patriots defense couldn't stop Warner when it counted in the final 2 minutes of that game when he threw the game tying TD. There is no splitting hairs about that. The problem was, nobody knew what Brady was until that final drive that won the SB for them. If you follow SB History at all, you know what a game winning drive to end a game means with 0:00 on the clock. And he won the MVP not by default but by the calmness and coolness he had on that drive. He has not been looked at the same ever since.

[ogarza]

not necessarily.

but brady has won 3 SB. and also lost 1.
#18 has only made it to 1 SB in his career with all that talent on both sides of the ball. What does that tell you?

He's made 2 winning 1 and losing 1

[wayne1218]

We saw what Brady did when he got his 1st HOF weapon on offense in Moss. He broke Mannings TD record, Moss broke the Receiving TD record and N.E. went 16-0 .... only to lose in the SB. I take nothing from manning. He has been a GREAT QB but let's face it, he has had HOF Receivers, RB's and TE's since day 1. From Harrison to Wayne, Clark, Edge James and Marshall Faulk. Not sure if it matters to anyone but it is the truth.

[10DimeBry]

He's made 2 winning 1 and losing 1

oh he was in 2 SB. and lost. i forgot...that even strengthens my arguement. my bad

[ogarza]

The Patriots defense couldn't stop Warner when it counted in the final 2 minutes of that game when he threw the game tying TD. There is no splitting hairs about that. The problem was, nobody knew what Brady was until that final drive that won the SB for them. If you follow SB History at all, you know what a game winning drive to end a game means with 0:00 on the clock. And he won the MVP not by default but by the calmness and coolness he had on that drive. He has not been looked at the same ever since.

I'm not going to convince you, ur avatar is loaded with Boston teams so we all know where ur heart is at...u saying Brady won it on one drive, because he only threw for 140 yards in the game and the D did give up the game tying td but shit u gotta look at entire game they held a 35pt a game offense crushing everyone they played to just 17 pts, that's pretty remarkable. And as far as Antoine smith he was a 1000 yd rusher with double digit tds, I'd say he was pretty good.

[ogarza]

I'm also not saying your wrong, we just don't see it the same way.

[ogarza]

oh he was in 2 SB. and lost. i forgot...that even strengthens my arguement. my bad

Just saying u left it out and included brady's losing SB...not easy just getting there, many other greats never did

[ogarza]

We saw what Brady did when he got his 1st HOF weapon on offense in Moss. He broke Mannings TD record, Moss broke the Receiving TD record and N.E. went 16-0 .... only to lose in the SB. I take nothing from manning. He has been a GREAT QB but let's face it, he has had HOF Receivers, RB's and TE's since day 1. From Harrison to Wayne, Clark, Edge James and Marshall Faulk. Not sure if it matters to anyone but it is the truth.

I agree with his surrounding talent overall, especially faulk, but James did nothing after leaving and as far as Wayne n Harrison goes both ways did they make manning or vice versa...Wayne and clark don't look like hof players this year...coaches, defenses and schemes also play a big roll in teams winning it all