Clemens indicted

[wayne1218]

He should not be banned from Baseball as that douche McGwire is back after he took the 5th I believe. Or did his ass lie to congress as well? McGwire isn't getting into the HOF either. Not sure about Clemens as I'm 50/50 on whether he gets in or not.

What is BS is ARod gets busted for steroids after lying and look at his #'s since then. He's a 30-40 HR's per year and 100-125 RBI's a year which makes a big difference over a career. Which is still really good, but a huge difference as he wouldn't be at 600+ Hr's right now. Just like Manny Ramirez may not make it to the 600+ club.

AROD barely hits 30 a year now right?

[wayne1218]

I'll never forget Brady Anderson hitting like 50 bombs. It would be like Ellsbury hitting 50.

[BettorsChat]

AROD barely hits 30 a year now right?

Exactly and he's being compared to all time greats which IMO he isn't. He cheated got caught and its fixed now = HOF

[BettorsChat]

I'll never forget Brady Anderson hitting like 50 bombs. It would be like Ellsbury hitting 50.

And didn't he sign a big ass contract after that year? Then became the dud that he was.

[molta02]

all i know is a lot of guys were on the juice who almost get a free pass. you don't hear much about piazza or pudge rodriguez not getting in the hall. read any of the juice books, everyone in baseball knows piazza was on the juice, but im sure he will be in cooperstown. and thats my problem with the whole thing, its like who got caught and who didnt.

[Jamaicanman]

Didn't Raffy lie then?

[wayne1218]

Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, Arod ... They should all be in IMO. Like Lance Berkman said the other day on the Rome show, 600 HR's is 600 HR's and the same with 300 wins. Many, many, guys were on the juice and most still couldn't touch those numbers. they are a major HOF talent, juice or no juice!

[savage1]

All I was saying/implying re: the HOF, is that if Clemens or most of us had to choose between being indicted and facing say a 3-5 year jail sentence(have no idea what in fact it would be if any) or being banned from baseball for life with zero shot to be considered for the HOF, many of us would opt for the latter choice-I know I would.
ps Personally I think he should be able to walk away from the whole thing at this point and be voted in the HOF as he matter has been blown way out of proportion and is not fair because many of the reasons you guys mentioned.

[savage1]

Wow-I just read the Clemens faces a maximum sentence of 30 years and a 1.5 million dollar fine all for possibly lying to a corrupt/self-serving group of folks passing judgment on him and all about whether he took something so that it would make it more difficult for folks wielding a bat to hit a ball(or not hit a ball) to a place on the field where somone could not catch or field it-something doesn't seem right here.
And just think plenty of other players did similar things, got away with it and never testified about it and thus couldn't be found guilty or innocent of any charges brought against them.
If Clemens deserves 30 years and a stiff fine for this, then all in can say is that those folks in the White House at the time of the invasion of Iraq and any accomplices they had(referring to Dick Cheney) who perpetrated this fraudulent war on the American Public over self-serving reasons, the latter which resulted in the needless death and crippling injuries of thousands on both sides, hopefully will burn in the Eternal Fires of Hell and Damnation FOREVER!!!

[molta02]

didn't bill clinton lie to congress when he got impeached (asking, i legitimately dont know who he lied to) ?

what about raffy palmeiro, didn't he lie?

[savage1]

didn't bill clinton lie to congress when he got impeached (asking, i legitimately dont know who he lied to) ?

what about raffy palmeiro, didn't he lie?

The Clinton/Monica thing was even a more stupid waste of time, money and energy than the Clemens matter.
Imagine making a big deal about whether he lied about who fondled his "willy."

[kbsooner21]

Legalize PED’s. They make pitchers throw harder, they extend careers, they give guys more home runs, they cause more spectacular plays to be made, and they’ve been being used since the 30’s--on top of that, they’re still being used anyway......Used responsibly, they can extend a person’s prime, extend a person’s life, heal injuries more quickly, regrow hair, heal osteoporosis--literally reverse aging. Look at Sylvester Stallone at age 63. The fuckstick is in better shape than I am. As soon as I turn 35, you can bet your ass I’ll be cycling PEDs. And by then they’ll be even better for you because of the technological boom we’re going through......

And really, who cares? It’s just a glorified game. A baseball player should not be dealing with the FEDS because he might possibly have lied about shooting steroids into his ass in order to play a game better. Gay, gay, gay!!!!

No that I'm surprised, but what another stupid post from the LockCock. First time he contributes something positive will be the first