Tennessee Football Players Face Armed Robbery Charges

[frankb03]

I give that about a 1% chance. This isn't a "mistake," these kids are fucking criminals. A mistake is drinking underage. A mistake is skipping class and failing a course.

Admittedly I don't know one single thing about these kids, but I'd be surprised if these kids aren't just pieces of crap. Raised by grandma with no male role models. Even marginal kids don't go out and just rob someone at gunpoint.

Well said! The average 18 or 19 year old doesn't attempted armed robbery. It takes a certain type of individual to commit this type of crime. More so when one considers the gift they were given. A college scholarship and potentially a college education and degree.

[frankb03]

not at all. I'm just saying there is no way this kid does this if he were playing for Nick. The kids would worry more about what NIck would do to them, rather than the law. Furthermore, I do put 99% of the blame on the kids, its their fault, and it was stupid on their part.

I can't disagree more. So what you're saying they can't distinguish right from wrong but if they were playing for Saban he would have instilled those morals in a short period of time.

Kids should be more worried about breaking the law and going to jail than what their college football coach would do to them. If going to jail isn't a deterrent I doubt the fear of Saban would act as a deterrent.

[BettorsChat]

Bingo!

If convicted, there is almost zero chance they ever resurface again. Considering they are obviously piece of shit criminals, football was the ONLY chance of making it out of the hood........which back to one of the original posts.........they absolutely ruined their lives.

Again you're stating their lives are ruined. Maybe you can explain to me how their lives are ruined from your standpoint. Even if they don't end up going too college and getting an education they still can walk, talk, hear etc. The chances of them making the NFL were probably slim as well. So with a college education depending on what area they went in they would have a job that paid more money. So stating that their lives are ruined IMO is an over exaggeration.

[frankb03]

Again you're stating their lives are ruined. Maybe you can explain to me how their lives are ruined from your standpoint. Even if they don't end up going too college and getting an education they still can walk, talk, hear etc. The chances of them making the NFL were probably slim as well. So with a college education depending on what area they went in they would have a job that paid more money. So stating that their lives are ruined IMO is an over exaggeration.

First, for them to commit this type of crime it's probably safe to say it would have happened sooner or later. Second, they'll lose their scholarship, get tossed from college and possibly do some jail time. When one compares the opportunity they had vs. the choices they made I'd say they ruined their life. That's not suggesting they can't turn their life around.

[frankb03]

Again you're stating their lives are ruined. Maybe you can explain to me how their lives are ruined from your standpoint. Even if they don't end up going too college and getting an education they still can walk, talk, hear etc. The chances of them making the NFL were probably slim as well. So with a college education depending on what area they went in they would have a job that paid more money. So stating that their lives are ruined IMO is an over exaggeration.

Also they'll live their entire life with a felony conviction. Assuming they're convicted. One's career becomes limited with a felony conviction.

[BettorsChat]

First, for them to commit this type of crime it's probably safe to say it would have happened sooner or later. Second, they'll lose their scholarship, get tossed from college and possibly do some jail time. When one compares the opportunity they had vs. the choices they made I'd say they ruined their life. That's not suggesting they can't turn their life around.

If they were to think that they ruined their lives what do you think they will end up doing?

Can they walk?
Can they talk?
Can they hear?
Can they apply themselves and get into another college?

Now if they had gotten shot in the process which resulted in them being killed or severely injured then I would agree that their lives would be ruined. They made bad choices, but they can learn from them and make corrections to move forward so there lives are far from ruined.

[BettorsChat]

Also they'll live their entire life with a felony conviction. Assuming they're convicted. One's career becomes limited with a felony conviction.

Are you kidding me? They can still get a degree and a job. How many people out their in the work force do you think have a criminal felony charge on their resumes that have good jobs? I would be willing to say a lot of them.

[packer34]

Great job guys, you just pissed your life away!! Don't they understand how many "smart" kids out there that can't go to college because there parents can't afford it! I'll bet that 2 out of 3 of this kids will be in jail with in the next 5 yrs. What a waste, what a shame!

[harold_bush]

Are you kidding me? They can still get a degree and a job. How many people out their in the work force do you think have a criminal felony charge on their resumes that have good jobs? I would be willing to say a lot of them.

I get your point, they aren't paralyzed or dead, but damn, you are definitely a glass half full guy like I haven't seen. You really think these guys will get a degree? Holy cripes man. Yes, the work force has people with felony records, but at best these kids are flipping hamburgers at Krystal the rest of their lives. The overwhelming odds is that these kids will never get over the fact that they pissed their lives away. IT will be much easier for them to sling dope than to make $6/hour at Krystal.

If they didn't do this then they likely would have either gone to the NFL and made millions or at least played four years and gotten a college degree. With the contacts made and likely with the help of some boosters, they would have gotten a decent job and been able to live a decent life.

Now, what? Again, working under the asumption these guys go away for a few years. You honestly think these guys get out of jail and go to college? It is extremely unlikely these kids ever would have even thought about college if it wasn't for football. Football was their ONLY ticket out.

[BettorsChat]

I get your point, they aren't paralyzed or dead, but damn, you are definitely a glass half full guy like I haven't seen. You really think these guys will get a degree? Holy cripes man. Yes, the work force has people with felony records, but at best these kids are flipping hamburgers at Krystal the rest of their lives. The overwhelming odds is that these kids will never get over the fact that they pissed their lives away. IT will be much easier for them to sling dope than to make $6/hour at Krystal.

If they didn't do this then they likely would have either gone to the NFL and made millions or at least played four years and gotten a college degree. With the contacts made and likely with the help of some boosters, they would have gotten a decent job and been able to live a decent life.

Now, what? Again, working under the asumption these guys go away for a few years. You honestly think these guys get out of jail and go to college? It is extremely unlikely these kids ever would have even thought about college if it wasn't for football. Football was their ONLY ticket out.

Even if they go too Jail for a couple of years and don't get a college education doesn't mean their lives are ruined. Coming from an Attorney I would think that you would be different on your view of a ruined life. Why don't you go take a trip down to the cancer ward or a veterans hospital then come back and tell me these kids lives are ruined.

[frankb03]

If they were to think that they ruined their lives what do you think they will end up doing?

Can they walk?
Can they talk?
Can they hear?
Can they apply themselves and get into another college?

Now if they had gotten shot in the process which resulted in them being killed or severely injured then I would agree that their lives would be ruined. They made bad choices, but they can learn from them and make corrections to move forward so there lives are far from ruined.

Of course they can walk, talk, hear, eat, piss and shit. You're missing the point. They had a golden opportunity. An opportunity they pissed away. Of course they can turn themselves around and learn from this error in judgment.

Did it "ruin" their life? Probably not. When the average fucks up in monumental fashion destroying the goals in their immediate future they don't rationalize it by saying at least I can walk, talk, hear and see.

Let's rephrase this. They RUINED an opportunity many wish they had for a chance for a better life. Can they overcome it? Of course they can.

[BettorsChat]

Of course they can walk, talk, hear, eat, piss and shit. You're missing the point. They had a golden opportunity. An opportunity they pissed away. Of course they can turn themselves around and learn from this error in judgment.

Did it "ruin" their life? Probably not. When the average fucks up in monumental fashion destroying the goals in their immediate future they don't rationalize it by saying at least I can walk, talk, hear and see.

Let's rephrase this. They RUINED an opportunity many wish they had for a chance for a better life. Can they overcome it? Of course they can.

What you are saying here I can agree with. I cannot agree with anyone saying that their lives are ruined. They are young and can still make changes for the good.

[frankb03]

Are you kidding me? They can still get a degree and a job. How many people out their in the work force do you think have a criminal felony charge on their resumes that have good jobs? I would be willing to say a lot of them.

Of course there is exceptions to every rule. I'd be willing to say the overwhelming majority of convicted felons for armed robbery do not have good high paying jobs or careers. With a conviction there's no disputing they're facing an uphill battle. A battle they can overcome.

[BettorsChat]

Of course there is exceptions to every rule. I'd be willing to say the overwhelming majority of convicted felons for armed robbery do not have good high paying jobs or careers. With a conviction there's no disputing they're facing an uphill battle. A battle they can overcome.

I'll agree that this is a battle that they can overcome if they choose to make the right decisions and pursue that desire.

[wayne1218]

I agree frank, i definately think they ruined their life. Yes, they are not dead or paralyzed but their life will NEVER be what it could have been and it is because of their own dumb decisions. These were kids who DID have a pretty good shot at a GREAT education for free and a chance at a NFL Career. Now they will be in jail during their 20's, lose those chances and never be the "Big man" on campus again. They are fucked and so are the lives they had laid out in front of them.