Tony Bernazard is Out of His Mind

[mavskidd02]

Doesn't matter to me really. Mets suck is the bottom line

They are like the Cubs of the NL East.

[kbsooner21]

They are like the Cubs of the NL East.

Can't argue that

[BettorsChat]

Why because he put together a team of:

Carlos Beltran
Carlos Delgado
Jose Reyes
David Wright
Gary Sheffield
Johan Santana
and
Fransisco Rodriguez

????

The Mets choke every year, and this year they are marred by injuries. How is he a bad GM? I blame Randolph and Manuel for the the collapses because they couldn't motivate their team. Maniya (sp.) put together a team who the last two years, was at the top of their division after 150 games. If they fall apart after that, I can't see blaming him.

You fire him, because he's a nut job.

[mavskidd02]

You fire him, because he's a nut job.

I'm talking about Maniya, not Bernazard. Bern deserved to get fire.

[savage1]

Why because he put together a team of:

Carlos Beltran
Carlos Delgado
Jose Reyes
David Wright
Gary Sheffield
Johan Santana
and
Fransisco Rodriguez

????

The Mets choke every year, and this year they are marred by injuries. How is he a bad GM? I blame Randolph and Manuel for the the collapses because they couldn't motivate their team. Maniya (sp.) put together a team who the last two years, was at the top of their division after 150 games. If they fall apart after that, I can't see blaming him.

And who hired the managers? That is also part of the GM's job!
Also, just because Manure assembled the names you cited, it should be pointed out that a successful team has players which know how to play as a unit.
Judging by what I have seen from the Mets especially at crunch time and during important games, Manure has done a pretty crappy job in assembling a winning team capable of winning a WS and that includes the manager.

[mavskidd02]

And who hired the managers? That is also part of the GM's job!
Also, just because Manure assembled the names you cited, it should be pointed out that a successful team has players which know how to play as a unit.
Judging by what I have seen from the Mets especially at crunch time and during important games, Manure has done a pretty crappy job in assembling a winning team capable of winning a WS and that includes the manager.

My point is, the guys on his team play great for 9/10 of the season. He has proven that he can assemble a team that is talented and can win ball games. They fall apart at the end of seasons, how do you blame that on a GM? Is he supposed to anticipate a choke? I hardly blame him, he has a team that is chalk-full of talent. And whenever the Mets have a team-need like a SP, a closer, a big bat, etc. He always takes care of it.

He is not sitting back there twiddling his thumbs like half the GMs in this league.

[savage1]

My point is, the guys on his team play great for 9/10 of the season. He has proven that he can assemble a team that is talented and can win ball games. They fall apart at the end of seasons, how do you blame that on a GM? Is he supposed to anticipate a choke? I hardly blame him, he has a team that is chalk-full of talent. And whenever the Mets have a team-need like a SP, a closer, a big bat, etc. He always takes care of it.

He is not sitting back there twiddling his thumbs like half the GMs in this league.

I disagree.
By my way of thinking it is the same as a jockey who gets his mounts in the lead or near the top for most of the race but somehow coming during the stretch his horses always fall back and out of the money.
He may not be twiddling his thumbs, but judging by the results and all of the money he has spent since his tenure as GM, I would give him a Grade D rating(and that is being generous).
ps If his teams choke down the stretch, then at least lay part of the blame on the manager, who Manure hired-that is telling in itself.
He is also a pretty bad judge of who is injury prone-take Pedro for example-Theo and the Sox brass obviously saw it coming-Minaya did not.

[mavskidd02]

I disagree.
By my way of thinking it is the same as a jockey who gets his mounts in the lead or near the top for most of the race but somehow coming during the stretch his horses always fall back and out of the money.
He may not be twiddling his thumbs, but judging by the results and all of the money he has spent since his tenure as GM, I would give him a Grade D rating(and that is being generous).

I think its a lot different. You blame him for the meltdowns and I simply don't. I can see if it was with the same manager twice, and then he stuck with him but he didn't.

Randolph chokes, he waits with him, slips up again, and moves to Manuel.

Manuel picks the team up and does great, then chokes at the end. Sticks with Manuel and now the injury bug comes in, one that is insurmountable.

He put together a great, talented team.

That's JMO.

[savage1]

I think its a lot different. You blame him for the meltdowns and I simply don't. I can see if it was with the same manager twice, and then he stuck with him but he didn't.

Randolph chokes, he waits with him, slips up again, and moves to Manuel.

Manuel picks the team up and does great, then chokes at the end. Sticks with Manuel and now the injury bug comes in, one that is insurmountable.

He put together a great, talented team.

That's JMO.

You know this isn't grade school where on some report cards give a grade for effort.
Results and only results are what count here, and judging by the results of the Mets during the last few years-the choke down the check, the lack of the team playing as a cohesive unit, the crappy managing and in generak the lack of ability to win important games, the GM bears a HUGE brunt of all this.
He spent the money given to him(quite a bit in this case),and he was given the authority to sign whoever he felt best would fit into his plan to put together a championship team-this includes the players, manager, the intangibles(which players could play together as a unit, which players would be less likely to be injury prone and a ton of other stuff).
I judge by the results on the field and using the criterion that I do, he has done a lousy job.
I would bet anything that if someone like Theo Epstein had had control of this team instead of Minaya, the Mets would have done far better than they did and perhaps have even gotten to the WS. jmho

[mavskidd02]

I think it's tough to scout injuries and intangibles. JMO.

[savage1]

I think it's tough to scout injuries and intangibles. JMO.

May be so, but lets put it this way-Theo and the Sox figured that Pedro was nearing the end of his career and not worth what he was asking;Minaya did not and gambled-the results speak for themselves.

[BettorsChat]

How hard is it to really field a very good team when you have a nice budget?

Signed,
NY Yankees (Feel free to add more teams that should be doing great with high budgets)

[savage1]

How hard is it to really field a very good team when you have a nice budget?

Signed,
NY Yankees (Feel free to add more teams that should be doing great with high budgets)

Even though Yankees are finally doing better this season(its about time with that payroll), I would rate the choice as to who is a worse GM Cashman or Minaya as a tossup-one would really have to evaluate all of the criterion especially money spent relative to performance and relative to the different leagues and strengths of the divisions in which the two teams play to state definitively which GM is worse.

[kbsooner21]

How hard is it to really field a very good team when you have a nice budget?

Signed,
NY Yankees (Feel free to add more teams that should be doing great with high budgets)

BOSTON
NY Mets

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2008 Payrolls:

Rank Team Payroll
1 New York Yankees $209,081,579
2 New York Mets $138,685,197
3 Detroit Tigers $138,683,978
4 Boston Red Sox $138,292,937
5 Chicago White Sox $121,152,667
6 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $119,216,333
7 Chicago Cubs $118,595,833
8 Los Angeles Dodgers $118,536,038
9 Seattle Mariners $117,993,982
10 Atlanta Braves $102,424,018
11 St. Louis Cardinals $100,624,450
12 Toronto Blue Jays $98,641,957
13 Philadelphia Phillies $98,269,881
14 Houston Astros $88,930,415
15 Milwaukee Brewers $81,004,167
16 Cleveland Indians $78,970,067
17 San Francisco Giants $76,904,500
18 Cincinnati Reds $74,277,695
19 San Diego Padres $73,677,617
20 Colorado Rockies $68,655,500
21 Texas Rangers $68,239,551
22 Baltimore Orioles $67,196,248
23 Arizona Diamondbacks $66,202,713
24 Minnesota Twins $62,182,767
25 Kansas City Royals $58,245,500
26 Washington Nationals $54,961,000
27 Pittsburgh Pirates $49,365,283
28 Oakland Athletics $47,967,126
29 Tampa Bay Rays $43,820,598
30 Florida Marlins $21,836,500

2009 Payrolls:

Team Total payroll
New York Yankees $ 201,449,189
New York Mets $ 149,373,987
Chicago Cubs $ 134,809,000
Boston Red Sox $ 121,745,999
Detroit Tigers $ 115,085,145
Los Angeles Angels $ 113,709,000
Philadelphia Phillies $ 113,004,046
Houston Astros $ 102,996,414
Los Angeles Dodgers $ 100,414,592
Seattle Mariners $ 98,904,166
Atlanta Braves $ 96,726,166
Chicago White Sox $ 96,068,500
San Francisco Giants $ 82,616,450
Cleveland Indians $ 81,579,166
Toronto Blue Jays $ 80,538,300
Milwaukee Brewers $ 80,182,502
St. Louis Cardinals $ 77,605,109
Colorado Rockies $ 75,201,000
Cincinnati Reds $ 73,558,500
Arizona Diamondbacks $ 73,516,666
Kansas City Royals $ 70,519,333
Texas Rangers $ 68,178,798
Baltimore Orioles $ 67,101,666
Minnesota Twins $ 65,299,266
Tampa Bay Rays $ 63,313,034
Oakland Athletics $ 62,310,000
Washington Nationals $ 60,328,000
Pittsburgh Pirates $ 48,693,000
San Diego Padres $ 43,734,200
Florida Marlins $ 36,834,000