Red Sox take the lead in the Santana sweepstakes!!!

[BigWeiner]

I disagree, he was dominating again last year. Basically the same amount of innings pitched and strikeouts, just gave up a few more runs. He got little run support. His last 4 years were ridiculous and he's only 28. I realize he's no Jake Ellsbury, who has potential to steal 30 bases, but he's pretty damn good.

This cracks me up, some of you guys thought the RedSox shouldn't have traded Jacoby Ellisbury for Johan Santana

[Three Jack]

By far the best pitcher in baseball. Not even close.

[BigWeiner]

The RedSox could've had the best pitcher in baseball and asked Scott Posidnek to quit his job at Home Depot to fill in for superstar Jacob Ellisbury. What a joke.

[kbsooner21]

Hughes, Melky > Lester, Coco


Nuff said

[kbsooner21]

Santana is a pitcher on the decline. You heard it here first

[wayne1218]

GREAT BUMP kb. Forgot about this thread but after reading it, i was pretty much on the money IMO.

[wayne1218]

No way in HELL i give up Ellsbury!!!!!!!

Don't regret it one bit!

Are you crazy???

The Guy could have easily Won the WS MVP award before he was ever eligible for the Rookie of the Year award. Name another player who has done that. The kid is amazing and hit over .350 in the post season i think. His HR's will come and if he isn't a 4 1/2 tool player, i don't think i know who is.

Ahhh yes, the HR's are here!!!

I know he hit .350 in the playoffs, but if you look at his minor league numbers they don't translate, so I see him as .300 with some speed and no power. I just don't see how he's untouchable when talking about Johan.

No power?

I would NOT trade for Johan if Dustin or Jacoby are included. No Way!

Still ... NO WAY!!!


Look at the Fantasy Baseball Leagues and see who has the most points in ALL of fantasy baseball. Yup, it's Jacoby Ellsbury BW. More than Cabrera, Pujols, Gonzalez, Cano, Verlander and anybody else you can think of.

He has 569 and 2nd is Braun with 543. I think it is a pretty good gauge too when it includes singles, doubles, triples, HR's, Runs Scored, SB's, caught stealing and errors.

Where is Santana kb?

[kbsooner21]

Out of baseball I believe...

[kbsooner21]

Pretty safe to say we owned this thread

[wayne1218]

If Boston makes the Playoffs, I think Ellsbury should be the MVP!!!

A.L. Ranks entering today ......

Avg. .319 (5th)
HR 28 (8th)
Hits 199 (2nd)
RBI 98 (8th)
Runs scored 114 (2nd)
SB's 37 (4th)
OBP % .376 (9th)
Slugging % .543 (6th)
OPS .918 (6th)


I think the other guy would be Granderson but i don't like giving it to a guy hitting .268 and he has 161 K's to Ellsbury's 92

Ellsbury also has ZERO errors in the OF this season and Granderson has 3

No doubt my homerism plays in to it and Granderson is ahead of Ellsbury in some stats but he is also well out of the Top 10 in others too!

[kbsooner21]

I disagree, he was dominating again last year. Basically the same amount of innings pitched and strikeouts, just gave up a few more runs. He got little run support. His last 4 years were ridiculous and he's only 28. I realize he's no Jake Ellsbury, who has potential to steal 30 bases, but he's pretty damn good.

Yikes!!!

[wayne1218]

Yikes!!!

BW obviously had no idea what Ellsbury was about to be but at least he admitted he hadn't seen much of him earlier in the thread!

[wayne1218]

2011 Salary

Johan Santana $21,644,708

Jacoby Ellsbury $2,400,000

[wayne1218]

Who stole more from the Mets? Bernie Madoff or Johan Santana?

[10DimeBry]

Who stole more from the Mets? Bernie Madoff or Johan Santana?

Jason bay atleast johan pitched a couple seasons witht he muts