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  • #31
    I am a pay service...I do not beg for payment or tout BS. If someone wants to pay for service plays they can, but I do not tout BS, this is a hobby & not my source of income.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Oziumrules
      Thanks Moon...Service Plays doing well also..

      I wonder what this means!!!!!!!!!!whats left after what you post!!!!!!!!!!
      NFL RECORD 16-14-0 + 1UNITS

      College Basketball 8-3-0 + 5 Units

      College Football 6-6-1 -4 Units

      NBA Basketball 11-12-0 -3 Units

      NHL 1-1-0 + 0 Units

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      • #33
        Once again...go to www.gurutracker.com and look me up! Do you guys usually bash services that are monitored? Check my record over the last month, I have nothing to hide.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Oziumrules
          Once again...go to www.gurutracker.com and look me up! Do you guys usually bash services that are monitored? Check my record over the last month, I have nothing to hide.
          Here is the link...

          http://www.gurutracker.com/rankings....nits&sport=mlb
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Oziumrules
            I appreciate you looking out for me, but dont lump me in with Jimmy using different names under same IPs. Let the Mods do there job, if they have a prob they call it out. It is not your job, be a man and email me if you have a problem dont use and open forum. If you have a better monitor let me know, I also write threads in other forums not just Bettorschat so I have a good rep also, plus my subscribers trust me and thats all that counts. I have been nothing but honest in here and I havent had any problems in this forum (especially scam problems, because I am not) and I dont appreciate the slander or the preaching of vigs. I do not care to look at your threads or records because I keep to myself and try to post winners to the forum. This is not my only means of living, its a hobby that I enjoy and I carry myself as an honest capper. So once again Good Luck w/ your plays..Aloha & God Bless.


            Bro...again you just dont get it...I am not looking out for you at all...and dont you worry about what I do or chose to do...I said my motivations is because I take pride in what I do and what I work hard to provide my clients or anyone who wants my help...Just look at the work I put into my comp Plays for everyone else here...

            Stop with the, "I dont look at your threads" bullshit....everyone looks at my thread..because no one else puts out plays a backs them up like I do....Not trying to get all big headed, but facts is facts and your just trying to down play or make like what I provide is nothing...That is Weak in my eyes....Some of my Write-Ups are Second to None so again stop with the, "I dont look in your threads."

            Emailing you instead of posting this has nothing to do with being a Man either...but not saying shit about the bullshit and scamming that goes on here is seriously not a way to act like a man or even an honest one....No one judging you but you seem to think so through your having to defend yourself....Remember all I did was bring up certain things which are practiced and "the new tricks" used by Scammers lately...Never said you were one at all...but you go on to make like they are nothing, not even addressing them...

            Answer me this....Is misleading others with your statement about you being on a Roll, even when your Biggest Plays lost every day this week being Honest?...Is not listing the Vigs amounts with all of your plays being Honest?....and also telling everyone that you do add in your Vigs in your overall Units Record...when I just showed you that you dont being Honest?

            Wow, I got alot to learn about being Honest if so...

            Like I said, I take pride in what I provide and what I do for my clients and also all those who are not even my clients...It doesnt matter if this is a hobby or not, for you...I treat it with alot of importance and with alot of hard work...because not only is my money involved and at risk...but so is other peoples as well...No one slandering you at all...if you look at what was posted....they all came out of your mouth and was just repeated back to you....You surely can see this, cant you....No one making up shit or lying...just reposting what you posted....And know, the best criminoles are the ones who sticks to themselves and are the quietest...thats how they dont get caught.

            You always stating that you keep to yourself...thats fine, no one complaining about what you do...I think the poster who said something was disagreeing with how you did it...ie, the statement about being on a Roll..


            Another thing Ozium....posting GOY or GOM is not wrong...Whats wrong is having a GOY or GOM every fucking Week..like some dumbasses here do....now that is a bunch of Bullshit...And, GOY and GOM Titles which I use are just for the Title and to show the importance of them to others...but they all come with a Unit Value to them, jsut like all the rest of the other plays I release..and they all fit into a structured system to be use with some form of MM, which I provide to all my clents as well....They are never posted with any Guarantee or Lock or wont lose type of Hype either...no matter that my GOY is 9-0 since 2003 in all sports...Fuck, I know for a fact that nothing is a guarantee or a lock....NOTHING!....But my GOY is a Title and that is what they are to me...my biggest and strongest play which is given out one time per season per a sport...and sometimes in Tournament time, when that in itself is just like a whole new season...ie, NCAA Tournament and CWS or MLB WS

            Also...touting plays you have is called ADVERTISING AND MARKETING....which everything in this world being sold is...The clothes, the food, the cars, the financial institutions you chose to use and buy have all been touted to you through ADVERTISEMENT AND MARKETING campaigns in one form or another....nothing wrong with them right...just like in this business....But, what is wrong is when this Advertising or Marketing is not conducted honestly and with integrity, using misleading words, lies, and statements...and done deliberately and intentionally.

            Dont say you dont tout bs...isnt claiming that Your on a Roll...when you know your not right now...some form of Bullshit?

            You know what I didnt come here to get into this with you..but you try to call out my honesty in the open so I responded....then you go on NOT to answer the things which was brought up AND THAT IS ANOTHER REASON WHY THIS GOES ON AND ON....and, you keep trying to defend yourself when you just was caught BY YOUR OWN CONTRADICTING STATEMENTS YOU MADE...trying now to make everyone else seem like the bad guy....Oh yeah, and this Honesty statements you continually make...not once did you say anything about the other people who got ripped off by Scammers or the Scammer themselves who are here preying upon them..which you know they are doing...is Not Honesty at all..

            Ah forget it....Fuckin Zona lost..bunch of Assholes...blown a 3-0 lead.....At least I went 3 of 4 with my Top Rated Plays today..all documented in my thread....and I also won all of the 5 days this week as well...Now that is what is called BEING ON A ROLL!

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Co-Captain
              Bro...again you just dont get it...I am not looking out for you at all...and dont you worry about what I do or chose to do...I said my motivations is because I take pride in what I do and what I work hard to provide my clients or anyone who wants my help...Just look at the work I put into my comp Plays for everyone else here...

              Stop with the, "I dont look at your threads" bullshit....everyone looks at my thread..because no one else puts out plays a backs them up like I do....Not trying to get all big headed, but facts is facts and your just trying to down play or make like what I provide is nothing...That is Weak in my eyes....Some of my Write-Ups are Second to None so again stop with the, "I dont look in your threads."

              Emailing you instead of posting this has nothing to do with being a Man either...but not saying shit about the bullshit and scamming that goes on here is seriously not a way to act like a man or even an honest one....No one judging you but you seem to think so through your having to defend yourself....Remember all I did was bring up certain things which are practiced and "the new tricks" used by Scammers lately...Never said you were one at all...but you go on to make like they are nothing, not even addressing them...

              Answer me this....Is misleading others with your statement about you being on a Roll, even when your Biggest Plays lost every day this week being Honest?...Is not listing the Vigs amounts with all of your plays being Honest?....and also telling everyone that you do add in your Vigs in your overall Units Record...when I just showed you that you dont being Honest?

              Wow, I got alot to learn about being Honest if so...

              Like I said, I take pride in what I provide and what I do for my clients and also all those who are not even my clients...It doesnt matter if this is a hobby or not, for you...I treat it with alot of importance and with alot of hard work...because not only is my money involved and at risk...but so is other peoples as well...No one slandering you at all...if you look at what was posted....they all came out of your mouth and was just repeated back to you....You surely can see this, cant you....No one making up shit or lying...just reposting what you posted....And know, the best criminoles are the ones who sticks to themselves and are the quietest...thats how they dont get caught.

              You always stating that you keep to yourself...thats fine, no one complaining about what you do...I think the poster who said something was disagreeing with how you did it...ie, the statement about being on a Roll..


              Another thing Ozium....posting GOY or GOM is not wrong...Whats wrong is having a GOY or GOM every fucking Week..like some dumbasses here do....now that is a bunch of Bullshit...And, GOY and GOM Titles which I use are just for the Title and to show the importance of them to others...but they all come with a Unit Value to them, jsut like all the rest of the other plays I release..and they all fit into a structured system to be use with some form of MM, which I provide to all my clents as well....They are never posted with any Guarantee or Lock or wont lose type of Hype either...no matter that my GOY is 9-0 since 2003 in all sports...Fuck, I know for a fact that nothing is a guarantee or a lock....NOTHING!....But my GOY is a Title and that is what they are to me...my biggest and strongest play which is given out one time per season per a sport...and sometimes in Tournament time, when that in itself is just like a whole new season...ie, NCAA Tournament and CWS or MLB WS

              Also...touting plays you have is called ADVERTISING AND MARKETING....which everything in this world being sold is...The clothes, the food, the cars, the financial institutions you chose to use and buy have all been touted to you through ADVERTISEMENT AND MARKETING campaigns in one form or another....nothing wrong with them right...just like in this business....But, what is wrong is when this Advertising or Marketing is not conducted honestly and with integrity, using misleading words, lies, and statements...and done deliberately and intentionally.

              Dont say you dont tout bs...isnt claiming that Your on a Roll...when you know your not right now...some form of Bullshit?

              You know what I didnt come here to get into this with you..but you try to call out my honesty in the open so I responded....then you go on NOT to answer the things which was brought up AND THAT IS ANOTHER REASON WHY THIS GOES ON AND ON....and, you keep trying to defend yourself when you just was caught BY YOUR OWN CONTRADICTING STATEMENTS YOU MADE...trying now to make everyone else seem like the bad guy....Oh yeah, and this Honesty statements you continually make...not once did you say anything about the other people who got ripped off by Scammers or the Scammer themselves who are here preying upon them..which you know they are doing...is Not Honesty at all..

              Ah forget it....Fuckin Zona lost..bunch of Assholes...blown a 3-0 lead.....At least I went 3 of 4 with my Top Rated Plays today..all documented in my thread....and I also won all of the 5 days this week as well...Now that is what is called BEING ON A ROLL!
              Whatever...you didnt catch me doing anything. I am not a scammer or a liar. I didnt contradict anything. I am on a roll, I am having a good month. Look at my record at gurutracker. Here is the link once again. Regardless of losing 5 top plays I am still up plenty of units.


              Here is the link again...

              http://www.gurutracker.com/rankings....nits&sport=mlb

              Good Luck To You....
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Oziumrules
                Once again...go to www.gurutracker.com and look me up! Do you guys usually bash services that are monitored? Check my record over the last month, I have nothing to hide.


                Monitoring services are just one of the new ways Scammers are using to appear Legit or to Pad and Alias they have so as to come out and then state, I am a monitored service just look at this Site....Fuck, people are not that stupid....Just go to a bunch of these Monitoring Site and all you see is Alias names all over the place....$Jimmy$ and WGU had like 9 of them...When goes cold they use the next one who has successfully gone on to manufacture and record....if not, then this service all of a sudden stops posting any more...then just moves on to another site and starts over again...or just creates another name to remanufacture another bogus record to tout again...

                Its so funny that every fuckin tout Scammer, at the well known ones use these site and makes claims to trusting those services who are Monitored....doesnt that seem alittle fishy...Blow your damn nose so you can smell the stench....its right there between the lines. .....Known Scammers telling everyone Not to trust those who are Not monitored like they are at such and such sites....Do you smell something?...LOL.

                Then open your eyes and look around and you will clearly see how many Fuckin Monitoring Sites are poping up all over the place...many being opened by Services themselves....Note: owner and operators or their front men and affiliates...who they then tout these sites in the ads to where they are monitored...also, dont you think these guys may have access to changing and editing some old plays to reflected in their current records...The thing that is stupid is some of these sites dont even allow you to see all the past or even the days plays supposedly sent in to be monitored...


                Lastly, monitoring services are under so much scrutiny because of who runs it and how it is run....Isnt Gurutrackers run or own or was started by a Service...if so, then it will explain how a BEST BET that was advertised here by this Service, which lost...is not even added to the plays supposedly released that day, the last time I checked it...and it wasnt your play so dont worry...but it was another service that uses it and who posted here and still does......Plus, what is the use of a Website....its a waste of money to me...

                and what do you think is more legit...using a place where a Service has no control over what is can be edit after something is posted...or a Website or monitoring service which someone can and do have the control to change and edit past posted things......Think about it!

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                • #38
                  Thats why I use a monitoring site AND I post here! Before every game starts. Dont try to lump me in with scammers because I am not!
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Oziumrules
                    Regardless of losing 5 top plays I am still up plenty of units.


                    ...

                    Sure, we all would be too...if we didnt calculate the Vigs lost in our over Unit Records...

                    Or if we all used Unrealistically High Units to rate our plays also....you know 5 to 10 Units everyday.

                    But losing all your Best Plays each Day rated at such a High Unit Amount is Not what I call being on a Roll....and that is Wrong and Dishonest of You to keep posting that Shit all Week....So stop with the I am an Angel shit....

                    You were caught lying right to my face in your other thread this week when you said you counted the Vig losses in your OVERALL UNITS RECORDS....which I just showed above that you dont...Remember..

                    And you still dont say why it is that you dont post your DIFFERENT VIGS AMOUNTS with you Total plays...WHY DONT YOU POST IT?....I GOTTA HEAR THIS ONE!

                    PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS ONE, CAUSE IT JUST DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE WHY YOU WOULDNT POST THE VIGS WITH THESE TOTALS PLAYS....ESPECIALLY AS IT WAS KNOWN TO BE USED BY MANY SCAMMERS AS A WAY TO PAD BACK THEIR RECORDS AS TOTALS PLAYS ARE NOT ALWAYS RELEASED AND PLAYED AS MUCH AS THE SIDE PLAYS ARE....I'LL WAIT OR ASK AGAIN LATER....AT LEAST YOU WILL HAVE A FAIR CHANCE TO LET EVERYONE KNOW WHY YOU DONT, BECAUSE I SERIOUSLY DONT BELIEVE THAT YOU FORGOT TO EVERY TIME...AS SOME OF THE TOTALS VIGS WERE FUCKIN HIGH AND OUTRAGEOUS...AND NO ONE FORGETS THAT PRICE THEY HAD TO LAY ON IT.


                    AGAIN, NO ONE LABELING YOU WITH ANYONE...EVENTHOUGH YOU WALK AND PRACTICE ALOT OF THE SAME THINGS THEY DO...IE, NO POSTING OF VIGS FOR TOTALS PLAYS....NOT COUNTING VIGS IN UNITS RECS...SAYING YOUR ON A ROLL WHEN YOUR NOT....KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

                    IF YOU KNOW THIS IS WHAT THEY DO AND THAT IT IS NOT HONEST OR CORRECT....WHY DO YOU CONTINUALLY DO IT?
                    Last edited by Co-Captain; 07-09-2005, 02:52 AM.

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                    • #40
                      You have some issues buddy. I calculate the vig all the time, I dont know what you are getting at but you better lay off. Dont try and play service police to make yourself look like Gods Gift To Services. I am monitored you are not and I post my plays before they start NOT 15 Minutes after the game starts like you did with St Louis Tonight. Especially after the 2 runs in the Top of the 1st. Im sure you would have called that on me if you saw that wouldnt ya? If I did that you would have had a service police orgasm and called me a real scammer! Lay off buddy, you dont know me at all, stick to capping games and leave the moderation to Spark & the others.
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                      • #41
                        From july 2nd until now, how much money have you lost becaus I've been checking your past picks and you had a horrible week buddy. I know you lost money, let me rephrase it, you lost a shit load of money. I've calculated that from july 2nd until today you lost a total of $1154.92 dollars. explain to me how you are on a roll?

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                        • #42
                          Whatever!!!! EVERYPLAY IS DOCUMENTED AT GURUTRACKER! CANT YOU READ........ GO TO THE LINK!!!!!!!


                          http://www.gurutracker.com/rankings....nits&sport=mlb
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by shock1
                            From july 2nd until now, how much money have you lost becaus I've been checking your past picks and you had a horrible week buddy. I know you lost money, let me rephrase it, you lost a shit load of money. I've calculated that from july 2nd until today you lost a total of $1154.92 dollars. explain to me how you are on a roll?

                            I am curious SHOCK1, why only 5 posts? All of a sudden you decide to post to bash me? Seems a little fishy?
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                            • #44
                              I see plenty of Services on the link I gave you that post here, in fact the Service Play section has alot of there picks. I suppose there all scammers....they pay gurutracker to pad there records right? I dont pay gurutracker so they dont have to pad my records. It is a free monitoring site, are you saying all the plays that are documented at gurutracker are fake? Why cant you admit I am having a good month (30 days) NOT July 1 - 8 but June 8 - July 8.
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                              • #45
                                you know why it says you're up, because their highest play only goes 3 units and those are 5 units for you(homerun play). You have been losing the 5 unit plays and in gurutracker it's only a 3 unit play so you lose less there than what you're losing in reality.
                                C'mon man I thought you were honest. You're nothing but a scammer just like the rest of the cappers. You remind me of Never2nd.

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