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  • Bettorschat Impact on Sports Services

    First of all I think this is a terrific forum second to none!
    Today I was thinking as to how this forum will be regarded by sports gambling historians(are there such persons)? lol).
    My opinion is that this forum and to a smaller extent lesser forums will have in a sense as great an impact of the sports service industry as did Curt Flood and free agency did to baseball.
    For those of you who recall, up until time Curt Flood challenged the system, players had no right to go to other teams unless their ownership decided to trade them;of course since that time as we all know, players can go to the highest bidding team once their contract ends.
    Well, I think sports forums like this one have also revolutionized things and will continue to do so.
    Here is an example:
    Prior to the internet, if someone wanted to purchase the plays of a sports service, it was done for the most part via 900 numbers or by credit card, and many times on the 900 numbers there were multiple extensions for different games, and one could spend a fortune in order to get all of the plays. There was virtually no other way to get the plays unless you knew someone who had purchased them.
    Once more and more people purchased computers and services used the internet to market plays and at greatly reduced rates, things changed dramatically.
    The bettor could now purchase plays right on line, and in many cases a lot cheaper than via 900 numbers.
    Then somewhere along the way chatboards like this one sprung up, and people began to share their picks purchased from sports services, the thinking being why should mutiple people pay for the same information when one could purchase them and share.
    At the same time on chatboards like this one, people started to discuss games and post their own picks figuring they could do as well or as we now know better than the paid services.
    This has escalated to the present situation where at Bettorschat we have some truly great cappers posting their own picks every day for nothing.
    At the same time because of the wonderful work done by many, we have access to most of the plays of the paid cappers for nothing.
    Over time the thousands of people who visit this forum(growing every day) now realize that the free cappers who post here are better than probably 95% of the cappers who get paid for their picks, most of the latter who we know are not very good at all especially when the cost factor is factored in.
    As a matter of fact, you might call Rip's Fade thread evolutionary, as it shows that betors can actually do better going against the services than with them them.
    When you couple above with the very good winning percentages of the free cappers, I think it can be said that a milestone or turning point has been reached, and that forums like this one are directly responsible for what will be the eventual decline of paid sports services as we know them.
    In addition when folks point out and share the scandalous nature of their experiences with some of these services(I try to do my part as you well know), folks are going to say to themselves "Wait a minute;why should I pay a sports service any money when 1) they aren't that good to begin with;2)some lie and spin their record ,3) their picks are available for nothing in this forum anyways and 4) there are better cappers at Bettorschat with real documented records who post their plays every day for nothing.
    To sum all of this up, I think Bettorschat has taken a giant and postive step in revolutionizing how the average bettor can get the best picks available from the comfort of his office or living room without having to spend anything.
    As I said initially if there were ever a history book published about the history(rise and eventual demise) of sports services, then there would certainly be a whole section devoted to Bettorschat.
    ps Thanks to all who took the trouble to read this;it has been on my mind, and I wanted to share my feelings.
    Everyone keep up the great work!
    Last edited by savage1; 03-27-2005, 11:36 PM.

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    Well said Savage. I couldn't agree with you anymore. The services just want to make money and scam people any way they can. They can care less if people lose money. Here at BC everybody actually wants to win and there are many here that try to help others win, whether it's some of the guys posting their plays or Rip's Fades. Even though i just started posting, I've been checking out this site for a few months, and ever since there has been a little more winning then losing for me. I'm sure the same has happened to many others in here. I thank everyone here, and let's continue to win, and tell the scammers to fuck off if they ever call.

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    • #3
      Savage, great analysis! I love this forum and you are 100% correct. The services suck and are nothing but first rate scam artists.

      The only drawback I see to this phenomena could be that as the public becomes more informed, the books lines will tend to be sharper. I think this has already happened. I remember years ago, early opening lines came out bad and then the moves were larger. Now it seems, barring injuries, we tend to see smaller and less moves as the books communicate as well to establish a better opening line. This could take away some of the informed player's advantage (like all of us here on bettorschat).

      Bottom line is: be informed, be patient, shop for the best lines, manage your money, watch for trends and we all can beat the books.

      Good luck and thanks to all here on betterchat! :bestwishe
      NBA is a joke

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      • #4
        Flarendep1-one thing that I didn't allude to is the questionable relationship that some sports services have with offshore sportsbooks;with possible kickbacks to the services for referrals of customers and even more for those who lose, it may not always be in the sports service's best interest to try to win.
        I am not saying all sports services who have deals with sportsbooks try to lose, but it does at least make one question the integrity of some of the picks, especially if a sports service knows it will be rewarded or compensated by the sportsbook if they(the picks) lose and their referrals are playing these games at that particular offshore.
        It makes me want to puke when I see sports services like OC Dooley on his website and his ads heaping all giving all kinds of lavish praise to a certain offshore service;it kind of reminds me of a dentist telling his patients to buy and eat plenty of a certain kind of candy bar loaded with sugar if you get my drift-in short in both instances the motivation is HUGELY questionable, and it sounds VERY fishy!
        Last edited by savage1; 03-28-2005, 01:17 AM.

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        • #5
          Savage - No wonder the services hate us!!
          GL
          NBA is a joke

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mike1
            Well said Savage. I couldn't agree with you anymore. The services just want to make money and scam people any way they can. They can care less if people lose money. Here at BC everybody actually wants to win and there are many here that try to help others win, whether it's some of the guys posting their plays or Rip's Fades. Even though i just started posting, I've been checking out this site for a few months, and ever since there has been a little more winning then losing for me. I'm sure the same has happened to many others in here. I thank everyone here, and let's continue to win, and tell the scammers to fuck off if they ever call.
            very well said,mike1. i am pretty sure you spoke for the majority of us( the silent followers).
            As BC becomes more and more popular...i hope that BC would not charge us to log on to see.... this may sound silly but i actually thought about it...any comment???

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            • #7
              Great post Savage

              I agree totally with your thinking. The scandicappers are worried that they might have to go out and really work for a living. Services will become a fad of the past, just like bellbottom pants and Zute suites!

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              • #8
                Savage, you and I are two of the more outspoken member against the services. I fucking loathe them. Often us ripping the services fall upon deaf ears. Some members even go so far to defend certain services. Rips forum has truly exposed them for what they are. FRAUDS!

                As you are aware I'm against moving these threads out of all sport and into this forum. This forum doesn't get the exposure. Eventually, many newbies get the message that services SUCK!

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                • #9
                  Guys-I am glad you enjoyed my dissertation and agreed with what I said.
                  Frank-I also feel that posts like this should be left on main forum, but last time I posted a thread like this there, Wayne came back with a RESOUNDING POST IN CAPITAL LETTERS telling me NOT to post it there;thus until/if moderators change their thinking, I guess we will have to hope that more folks come over to this section.

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                  • #10
                    sites like this are exposing all the scamers,even brian mac finally had his plays posted on a site for three months(must be driving him crazy). i am shocked the govt doesnt regulate the industry. in nj health clubs must put up a bond to sell long term memberships. why not sports services? there is no one protecting the public except sites like this.
                    “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."

                    Gerald Ford

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                    • #11
                      Husker-how can the sports service industry be regulated, when in 49 states that which is supposed to be regulated (the honesty of the handicappers regarding their picks) is illegal?
                      If sports gambling is illegal, then if government tried to regulate sports services, it would be in a sense covertly contradicting itself and implicitly saying it is ok to gamble.
                      Think of it this way: as we all know prostitution is legal only in Nevada and regulated by the government.
                      Lets take another state where prostitution is not legal.
                      Lets say that a prospective customer is promised many kind of sexual "favors" by one of these "ladies" for a certain price.
                      Now the "lady" and the guy go to a room, and the guy pays her the money up front. BUT the lady only delivers on only part of what she promised and says there was a misunderstanding at the outset.
                      The guy of course could threaten her or worse but more than likely has no recourse.
                      The point is he can't call over a policeman and tell him what happened or take her to court over the issue because as stated prostitution is illegal to begin with, and in the first instance (talking to the cop), he would probably be arrested.
                      The analogy between this and regulating sports services may be a little stretched, but I think you can see the main point I am trying to make.

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