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    Hi Savage

    I had some spare time today and was surfing threads and found the below statement. We have talked about this before but just wanted to throw my 2 cents in on why I disagree with you and what it looks like from the other side of the desk.

    Killer-no matter what the big paid services try to do, they are a dying breed and will become nearly extinct in the next few years, as virtually everyone will have a computer or know someone who does and get all the picks for nothing;the monstrous and increasing number of hits on the service request thread on this forum alone on a daily basis is testimony to that

    1. Many people don't have the time and don't want to spend the effort dealing with the message boards on a daily basis or waiting around for someone to post that may or may not show up that day.

    2. To much information from to many sources in the service thread over a short period of time. Someone with less experience with sports gambling will still have problems digesting and utilizing the information provided as well as playing blind without any analysis or thought process behind the play.

    3. The available market is still in a growth pattern.

    4. People want plays when they are released to evaluate the selections and line movement. Getting plays off of the boards does not always allow for that.

    5. Who uses a service? I would say a bigger % are not your day to day posters on message boards. Most of my clients are professional people who could care less about what is on a message board. Most importantly they want winners, reliable information, fair lines, games graded properly, documented records, plays available on time, a cost structure that meets their needs and quality analysis.

    Services are not going away but the scamdicappers certainly could be weeded out. There is only one way to fix the service problem as I see it.

    If your service is not documented by a legit 3rd party simply dont use them. Big small or otherwise.

    Until the public raises the sports service ethics bar nothing will happen with this Sad but true. Just as with any business the good will survive while the weak go out of business. As long as there is sports gambling there will be services because no matter how you spin it there will always be players looking for help that lack confidence but still love the action. You would be suprised how many guys are happy just winning consistenly or even staying even for an extended period of time. The price of a service is well worth it to them if they can learn some money management, maybe win a little, have action and keep the wife and girlfriend off their case becuase they are not spending all their free time capping or on the computer
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    My 2 cents...

    I pretty much agree.
    Bottom line is if the services make money they will stay in business whether they are honest or scammers... and if they are losing money they will fold.
    I could see some of the more legit sevices releasing the plays late - close to game time - so they don't appear on forums, consensus sites etc... maybe even hiring a few people just to work the phones for a short time and forcing people to call in to a live phone operator.

    Someone needs to monitor monitors! There have been monitors who fudge records too.

    Another big problem today is when the services recommend a sportsbook. How much are the sportsbooks paying the services? Maybe they make more to pick losers! Or just have a few weekends here and there for "the books!"

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    • #3
      I have been advised affiliate programs with books are illegal in the states although many services get around that by routing payments through offshore accounts. The service is taking a % of loss or post up on refered players

      Basically the feds have cracked down on the big media advertising outlets on the net and I doubt they worry to much about any service but you should be raise a red flag if a service is pumping a book. Most likely there is some type of kickback or % being paid to the referering servie. It has been discussed many times at BC. In my case I allow one book to be advertised on one page in exchange for a matchup, live score etc feature on that page that they provide, but I am not associated with that book in any way

      One book in particular is big into building sites for handicappers as long as they are the only book advertised.

      Just how the game works currently. I guess if you trust the service you are with that they are trying to win it is no big deal. I do not subscribe to the fact that a service puts clients on a game in hopes it losses like some here do, however if they are getting a % of losses from players I suppose it works out the same. They get a happy winning return customer or a % back from the book
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      • #4
        Buzz-thanks for responding to my post with your very thoughtful and insightful take on things; you make some great points.
        In all honesty a lot of what I say applies to the big commercial services like Wayne Root, Jim Feist, Dave Cokin and Northcoast, etc. and not for good and less known services like yours(I don't mean that at all in a negative sense at all, and from my conversations, few as they might be, and what I know about you, I regard you as one of the better and classier cappers out there);I think you may have a different type of clientele than those who might be attracted to say some of the guys mentioned;they might very well be the thinking and analytical folks like you who want more than just the pick.
        That being said, I still have to think that already some of the big cappers whose picks are being posted every day at BC have to be losing money, as logically fewer people will be signing up;I have to think that when I see 40000+ plus posts on a weekend day, then at least some of those might be potential customers to some of the services.
        The fact that some of the services have already threatened BC with lawsuits, frivolous as they might be, also shows they are feeling the sting.
        To take it a step further, I just have to think that using the premise that a good portion of the gambling population is looking just for the pick and couldn't care less about the reasons for the selection,that many of them will learn increasingly that many of the picks are available for free for nothing and thus will be less inclined to signup.
        As more and more people including gamblers buy computers, learn about such sites as BC and tell their gambling friends about it, I think the effect will snowball in time and many services will be hurt and/or go out of business.
        Hopefully, services such as yours which I think attract a different type of clientele than the big commercial cappers, will survive and prosper.
        I admit that I don't like many of the big commercial cappers and the arrogance,lies, deception,etc. which define them, and I think if they suffer, they deserve it.
        As stated initially, you show true class and always have, and I know you work hard and are brutally honest;I hope none of what I said in my predictions happens to you and that you continue to flourish and make yourself and customers a lot of money.

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        • #5
          Hi Savage

          Off course no offense taken, I think I know exactly what you are saying about your vision of the future of the service industry now. I know you watch it very close and have always appreciated your watchdog like attitude. You are correct about the large scale operations losing money, clients and they really tend to market to guys looking for a quick fix by mass marketing and either false advertising or just non disclosure of accurate records. I believe they are being forced to change to a certain extent by the small and medium guys out there but that will be a long process. The small to medium guys are making winning and monitoring increasingly more important. My guess is when any industry gets saturated like the servcie industry is there will be some consolidation, cappers will start to be held to a higher ethical standard and the business will continue to get cleaner. Services will become more responsible for accurate records and at some point may start being held responsible for false advertising. That is my hope, especially if online gaming ever becomes legal in the States. If it ever does become legal in the US I think you will see the service industry take on a whole new look

          Thanks for the kind words and lets just hope things continue to show improvement with this industry. I think it has already started.

          Buzz

          here is a good read on scams http://www.sportsdiscover.com/3/HandicappingScams.pdf
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          • #6
            Buzz-I agree with you 100%.
            ps When I clicked the link, I simply got the sportdiscover,com website with claims, testimonials, etc for them. Is that what you are referring to or is there a longer article written by them talking about capping scams?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by savage1
              As stated initially, you show true class and always have, and I know you work hard and are brutally honest;I hope none of what I said in my predictions happens to you and that you continue to flourish and make yourself and customers a lot of money.
              Savvy you know I NEVER talk like this about any service but you are dead on with that statement .... Buzz is a very good guy ...

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              • #8
                Thanks Spark. Need Wisconsin for a sweep tonight. Really need a good day after a bad last three

                Savage, when I click on it I go to a PDF that is a longer article. I don't know anything about this site but the article is decent.

                Spark, can you please delete that link if it does not open a pdf to the article? Dont want anyone wasting time trying to open it
                Thanks
                Buzz
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                • #9
                  Buzz-My bad- I got the article finally;I did something wrong initially-great article!

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                  • #10
                    good, I am glad you were able to open.

                    Really anyone looking for a service should read this first as it points out many red flags to look for.

                    Talk to you later
                    Buzz
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