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FastBreak,
You posted an interesting article in one of Ty Gaston's threads. I copied and pasted it below..........(scroll down to see the article; it starts after the blue print).
Anyway, a few months ago I exposed "The Sports Monitor of Oklahoma" that is mentioned in your posted article.
[I don't want to single out "The Sports Monitor of Oklahoma" because other monitors do what I allege as well. But since they are probably the biggest and most well known of all the monitors, I don't have a problem pointing a finger at them. In addition, they were one of the two monitors mentioned in the article].
The problem is that they only monitor services that have a 50% or better winning percentage. So a guy like Wayne Root can have eight "clubs" monitored there for the NFL season. A "club" is simply a set of games bunched together. Example, THE UNDERDOG CLUB or THE GOLD CLUB, etc. each has their own set of games. These individual "clubs" can contain anywhere from one to ten (or more) picks within them each week.
Back to the Wayne Root example: let's say two of his eight clubs are .500 or better. Those are the only two that will be shown; you won't see the other six losing "clubs." Why would he have eight "clubs" monitored, you ask?
It's a numbers game for these DISHONEST services. They know that by having numerous "clubs" that at least one or two will be doing OK at a given point in the season and that makes them look good. By looking good, it increases their business. Therefore, a DISHONEST capper (that loses the majority of his picks) can still look good even when being monitored. Sadly, "Average Joe" only sees the two winning "clubs" and thinks: "Wow, this guy is good!" But when "Average Joe" signs on with the service, he loses twice. Once by paying for the picks and twice by losing most of his wagers!!
I have given you a couple of links so you can check out the other threads where I expressed an opinion on this issue:
a) http://bettorschat.com/forums/showth...threadid=18637
b) http://bettorschat.com/forums/showth...threadid=18940
Sincerely,
Bennojd
p.s.> not all services are dishonest; and you can actually win money w/ some. However, the bad services really put a dark cloud over the whole "paying for sports plays" industry!!
Also, honest cappers that sell their plays are not necessarily winners; there are some honest sevices out there that are the nicest guys in the world but they LOSE consistently The reverse is true: dishonest cappers that sell their plays are not necessarily losers; some scamdicappers WIN more often than not.
BEST OF BOTH WORLDS: find an honest service that wins a decent majority!!.........or better yet: follow someone for free on the SPORTS DISCUSSION side of this forum and you can come out a winner in the end!!
===================================
This was the article I was talking about that FastBreak posted in Ty Gaston's thread:
FastBreak
BettorsChat Veteran
Registered: Oct 2003
Location:
Posts: 402
TY GAGSTON..........
Ty Gagston......
If you can read this without getting chapped lips
from all the movement.....
You will see that YOU belong to a very sleazy peer group.
Keep the losers coming for your suckers..
Found on google:
How many times have you looked at your favorite sports magazine
and seen
advertisements for sports services boasting some outrageous claims.
Unfortunately this is pretty much the norm. Claims of winning
percentages
of 75%, 85%, and even 90% are commonly advertised as real. If you
believe
these claims you're destined to be a loser!!
It is impossible to hit these percentages over an entire season.
Anyone claiming to do so is simply a liar. I must clarify this,
there are
many services that have attained such lofty win percentages for a
limited
amount of time, or for certain categories, but it has never been done
over
an entire season. Many services will advertise their "Millionaires
Club" or
their "Super Lock Club" as having these unbelievable win
percentages. The
trick is that these services have 20 different clubs and groups of
selections. Which ever one performs well is promoted in next years
advertising. They fail to mention the records of all their losing
clubs.
A very respectable and attainable winning percentage is between 55%-
65%.
----IF YOU EXPECT ANY MORE THAN THAT YOU WILL SORELY DISAPPOINTED.----
Any service advertising 80% winning is blatantly lying. Many
services lie
about their records. Some newspaper ads are designed and due before
the games
claimed as winners are even completed. One service advertised in a
Monday
edition of a New York paper that he had gone undefeated (5-0) this
weekend,
and to call him for his "Monday night game of the year." Unbeknownst
to most
readers, was the fact that the newspaper's advertising deadline was
on Friday!
This crook advertised that he was undefeated before the games had been
played. Anyone can claim anything. What about proof? This brings me
to
our next topic.
MONITORS
One way to insure that any claim made by a service is legitimate is
to check
for documentation of the sports service. Of the approximately 1500
sports
services only 75 are documented and monitored by a legitimate
monitor.
Why is this? The main reason is; to be documented by a legitimate
monitor; one cannot run any false or misleading ads. This eliminates
95%
of the services from being monitored. The truth is they don't want
to be
monitored. When monitored, all potential customers have to do are
call the
monitor and get their real record. Two known legitimate monitors
are:
THE SPORTS MONITOR (405) 721-5018 & SPORTS WATCH (702) 791-3938.
Many
"scamdicappers" will claim that monitors are corrupt. I know for a
fact that
the above mentioned are not. It would seem highly unlikely, since the
records of the services being monitored are readily available and any
discrepancies would be discovered by the service's clients.
Furthermore if
records could be bought or falsified, it would seem that services
documented
by the above mentioned monitors would do better than the 55%-65%
winning
percentages generally associated with the leaders. If records were
for sale
you would see records of 75%, 80%, and 90%.
One word of caution, many services make up their own monitor.
The
above two mentioned monitors are the legitimate monitors in the
business.
If a service tells you that they are monitored by someone else other
than
the previously mentioned monitors, it is likely that it's not
legitimate.
You must thoroughly investigate. Finally, some services that are
not
monitored claim to be in their ads. Always verify any claims with the
monitor.
Sports Watch, (702)-791-3938.
The Sports Monitor (405) 721-5018.
BOILER ROOMS
In the world of sports services, it sometimes seems that the most
ruthless,
obnoxious, and deceitful guys out there get the majority of the
business.
Some have been known to use intimidation, threats, and blackmail to
get what
they're after--your money. Many services don't even do any
legitimate
handicapping. They don't even try to give out winners. They simply
are a
telemarketing firm that employs a group of high pressure salesmen who
will
say anything to get your cash. Any service that employs a boiler
room full
of high-pressured salesmen should not be trusted. Phone solicitors
will lie
about records, tout "fixed" games, and even authorize phony charges
to your
credit card.
These high pressure salesmen are nothing but bad news. It
amazes me at the amount of abuse gamblers will put up with. Once
you've paid
your money there is absolutely nothing you can do. That is why it is
so
important to research a sports service before you buy. You wouldn't
buy
legal, medical, or investment advice from someone who tried to
pressure you
in to purchasing. You wouldn't think of using their advice without
first
checking their credentials and claims. Yet, thousands of times a
day, people
do just that in seeking a sports service. As a general rule stay
away from
any sports service that solicits business through telemarketing. For
the
most part services that employ this technique are only interested in
getting
your money. The last thing on their mind is providing you with
winning
sports information.
SCAMS
The dishonest sports services will stop at nothing to separate
you from
your cash. The following are some of the scams they use. A favorite
is the
"Fixed" Game. Here is how the scenario works. A salesman from a
"scamdicapper"
boiler room will call and say they've gotten some inside information
on a
game that is fixed and is certain to win. He goes on to say "I'll
give you
this game absolutely free. All you have to do is bet a "nickel" on
this game
and after it wins you send me $100." His offer seems reasonable, and
you
agree. The only problem is that this scamdicapper is making the same
offer
to hundreds of people, giving out both sides of the same game. They
call
1000 people with this offer of a fixed game. For example, lets say
Ohio St.
is favored by 5' over Indiana. They give 500 people Ohio St-5' and
they
give the other 500 people Indiana+5'. No matter which team ******,
500
people ere given a winner and the sports service now collects
$50,000.
There are no such things as "fixed" or "lock" games! There is no
such thing
as a sure thing. Another scam involves the use of aliases and
ownership of
multiple services. A "scamdicapper" can operate dozens of services
all under
different names. When one service is losing, they will call using a
different name, the losing clients and sell them on a different
service.
It's just a matter of time before this service will lose as well.
"Scamdicappers" don't care whether they win or lose. They
are basically running a telemarketing scam. Some services will
invent a
monitor, and claim to be documented. Some of these services are so
brazen
or stupid, that they use the same phone number as their office.
Others will
advertise being documented by one of the legitimate monitors. But
when you
actually call the monitor to verify, you find that the service has
never
been monitored. These "crooks" get away with this because seldom do
people
check to verify their claims.
Real Expectations
With all the false advertising and lying it's hard to know what
to expect
when using the expertise of a legitimate sports service? First and
foremost
you have to set some realistic goals, and determine a money
management
strategy. Most people fail in betting sports because they fail to do
this.
In setting goals you should determine what you want to accomplish for
the
upcoming season. Here are some things to think about in setting your
goals.
There are approximately 22 full weeks of action, including the pre-
season.
If you bet an average of seven games a week you will have bet on
approximately 150 games during the season. The following is a
breakdown of
percentages and net winners based on betting 150 games:
60% 90-60 24.0 net winners
58% 87-63 17.7 net winners
56% 84-66 11.8 net winners
With that in mind you must determine your goal based on the amount
you will
bet per game. The following lists the potential profit based on 60%.
$100 per game $2400
$200 per game $4800
$300 per game $7200
$500 per game $12,000
$1000 per game $24,000
To set your own realistic goals, you must determine three things:
1. Estimated amount of games bet.
2. Estimated winning percentage.
3. Amount wagered on each game.
Any legitimate sports service can help you in determining your own
goals.
CONCLUSION:
In this report we have just scratched the surface in discussing the
sports
service industry. The following is a step by step plan for choosing
an
honest, reliable, and effective sports service. There are plenty of
great
services that can help you win. If you follow the plan you should
have no
problem finding a good sports service.
-----Steps For Finding A Good Sports Service---
The Elimination Round Eliminate any service that does any of the
following:
1. Advertises or claims an unbelievable winning percentage
2. Solicits your business, claiming to have inside
information or a
"fixed game"
3. Has numerous clubs or gives different selections to
different
clients
4. Owns or has an interest in numerous services
5. Uses high pressure tactics to get the sale
6. Will not take your call, but rather, insists on getting
your
number to call you
7. Advertises picks as "Absolutely Free," but when you call,
requires you to first buy picks
8. Lies or misleads you about anything
9. Makes you feel uncomfortable
10. Can not provide you with a documented record
11. Will not take the time to talk to you personally
If you eliminate the "scamdicappers" by following the criteria set
out in the
"elimination round," and ask the listed questions below you will find
an
honest, reliable, and effective sports service.
Ask Questions of the sports service
1. What is your complete record ? What was your record
last year ?
2. What winning percentage are you setting for your goal
this year ?
3. How many selections do you give out per week ? Are they
rated ?
4. When do you give out your selections ?
5. What guarantees do you make ?
6. Ask about handicapping philosophies.
7. Ask for money management advice and strategies.
8. Discuss current happenings in sports, listen for
informed and
confident opinions.
9. Ask what information sources are used. (newspapers,
periodicals,
books, on-line services, etc.)
When asking the above questions, be sure to make notes. Afterwards
review
the information in your notes and address any points that you are
unclear
about. As with any purchase you must decide which service will best
suit
your needs. Be informed.
This is a partial list of sports services that are known to operate
unethically. Those listed have falsely advertised or employed scams
to
mislead the unsuspecting into buying their service.
Mike Warren
Stu Finer
Kevin Duffy
Jeff Allen
Hot Sports
****** DeMarco
The Professor
ATS Consultants
John Stryker
Greg Silvera
Gordon Michaels
Jack Price
Ron Bash
Dan Pastorini
Jack Newport
John West
Winrich
Mr. T
BG Football
David James
Lombardi Sports Wire
Mike Zimbo
Curtis Reed
Duke's Action Line
Ty Gaston<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Skip Peterson
AUSF
Polar Bear Sports
OTL Sports
Linemasters
Blazer
Spot Play
You posted an interesting article in one of Ty Gaston's threads. I copied and pasted it below..........(scroll down to see the article; it starts after the blue print).
Anyway, a few months ago I exposed "The Sports Monitor of Oklahoma" that is mentioned in your posted article.
[I don't want to single out "The Sports Monitor of Oklahoma" because other monitors do what I allege as well. But since they are probably the biggest and most well known of all the monitors, I don't have a problem pointing a finger at them. In addition, they were one of the two monitors mentioned in the article].
The problem is that they only monitor services that have a 50% or better winning percentage. So a guy like Wayne Root can have eight "clubs" monitored there for the NFL season. A "club" is simply a set of games bunched together. Example, THE UNDERDOG CLUB or THE GOLD CLUB, etc. each has their own set of games. These individual "clubs" can contain anywhere from one to ten (or more) picks within them each week.
Back to the Wayne Root example: let's say two of his eight clubs are .500 or better. Those are the only two that will be shown; you won't see the other six losing "clubs." Why would he have eight "clubs" monitored, you ask?
It's a numbers game for these DISHONEST services. They know that by having numerous "clubs" that at least one or two will be doing OK at a given point in the season and that makes them look good. By looking good, it increases their business. Therefore, a DISHONEST capper (that loses the majority of his picks) can still look good even when being monitored. Sadly, "Average Joe" only sees the two winning "clubs" and thinks: "Wow, this guy is good!" But when "Average Joe" signs on with the service, he loses twice. Once by paying for the picks and twice by losing most of his wagers!!
I have given you a couple of links so you can check out the other threads where I expressed an opinion on this issue:
a) http://bettorschat.com/forums/showth...threadid=18637
b) http://bettorschat.com/forums/showth...threadid=18940
Sincerely,
Bennojd
p.s.> not all services are dishonest; and you can actually win money w/ some. However, the bad services really put a dark cloud over the whole "paying for sports plays" industry!!
Also, honest cappers that sell their plays are not necessarily winners; there are some honest sevices out there that are the nicest guys in the world but they LOSE consistently The reverse is true: dishonest cappers that sell their plays are not necessarily losers; some scamdicappers WIN more often than not.
BEST OF BOTH WORLDS: find an honest service that wins a decent majority!!.........or better yet: follow someone for free on the SPORTS DISCUSSION side of this forum and you can come out a winner in the end!!
===================================
This was the article I was talking about that FastBreak posted in Ty Gaston's thread:
FastBreak
BettorsChat Veteran
Registered: Oct 2003
Location:
Posts: 402
TY GAGSTON..........
Ty Gagston......
If you can read this without getting chapped lips
from all the movement.....
You will see that YOU belong to a very sleazy peer group.
Keep the losers coming for your suckers..
Found on google:
How many times have you looked at your favorite sports magazine
and seen
advertisements for sports services boasting some outrageous claims.
Unfortunately this is pretty much the norm. Claims of winning
percentages
of 75%, 85%, and even 90% are commonly advertised as real. If you
believe
these claims you're destined to be a loser!!
It is impossible to hit these percentages over an entire season.
Anyone claiming to do so is simply a liar. I must clarify this,
there are
many services that have attained such lofty win percentages for a
limited
amount of time, or for certain categories, but it has never been done
over
an entire season. Many services will advertise their "Millionaires
Club" or
their "Super Lock Club" as having these unbelievable win
percentages. The
trick is that these services have 20 different clubs and groups of
selections. Which ever one performs well is promoted in next years
advertising. They fail to mention the records of all their losing
clubs.
A very respectable and attainable winning percentage is between 55%-
65%.
----IF YOU EXPECT ANY MORE THAN THAT YOU WILL SORELY DISAPPOINTED.----
Any service advertising 80% winning is blatantly lying. Many
services lie
about their records. Some newspaper ads are designed and due before
the games
claimed as winners are even completed. One service advertised in a
Monday
edition of a New York paper that he had gone undefeated (5-0) this
weekend,
and to call him for his "Monday night game of the year." Unbeknownst
to most
readers, was the fact that the newspaper's advertising deadline was
on Friday!
This crook advertised that he was undefeated before the games had been
played. Anyone can claim anything. What about proof? This brings me
to
our next topic.
MONITORS
One way to insure that any claim made by a service is legitimate is
to check
for documentation of the sports service. Of the approximately 1500
sports
services only 75 are documented and monitored by a legitimate
monitor.
Why is this? The main reason is; to be documented by a legitimate
monitor; one cannot run any false or misleading ads. This eliminates
95%
of the services from being monitored. The truth is they don't want
to be
monitored. When monitored, all potential customers have to do are
call the
monitor and get their real record. Two known legitimate monitors
are:
THE SPORTS MONITOR (405) 721-5018 & SPORTS WATCH (702) 791-3938.
Many
"scamdicappers" will claim that monitors are corrupt. I know for a
fact that
the above mentioned are not. It would seem highly unlikely, since the
records of the services being monitored are readily available and any
discrepancies would be discovered by the service's clients.
Furthermore if
records could be bought or falsified, it would seem that services
documented
by the above mentioned monitors would do better than the 55%-65%
winning
percentages generally associated with the leaders. If records were
for sale
you would see records of 75%, 80%, and 90%.
One word of caution, many services make up their own monitor.
The
above two mentioned monitors are the legitimate monitors in the
business.
If a service tells you that they are monitored by someone else other
than
the previously mentioned monitors, it is likely that it's not
legitimate.
You must thoroughly investigate. Finally, some services that are
not
monitored claim to be in their ads. Always verify any claims with the
monitor.
Sports Watch, (702)-791-3938.
The Sports Monitor (405) 721-5018.
BOILER ROOMS
In the world of sports services, it sometimes seems that the most
ruthless,
obnoxious, and deceitful guys out there get the majority of the
business.
Some have been known to use intimidation, threats, and blackmail to
get what
they're after--your money. Many services don't even do any
legitimate
handicapping. They don't even try to give out winners. They simply
are a
telemarketing firm that employs a group of high pressure salesmen who
will
say anything to get your cash. Any service that employs a boiler
room full
of high-pressured salesmen should not be trusted. Phone solicitors
will lie
about records, tout "fixed" games, and even authorize phony charges
to your
credit card.
These high pressure salesmen are nothing but bad news. It
amazes me at the amount of abuse gamblers will put up with. Once
you've paid
your money there is absolutely nothing you can do. That is why it is
so
important to research a sports service before you buy. You wouldn't
buy
legal, medical, or investment advice from someone who tried to
pressure you
in to purchasing. You wouldn't think of using their advice without
first
checking their credentials and claims. Yet, thousands of times a
day, people
do just that in seeking a sports service. As a general rule stay
away from
any sports service that solicits business through telemarketing. For
the
most part services that employ this technique are only interested in
getting
your money. The last thing on their mind is providing you with
winning
sports information.
SCAMS
The dishonest sports services will stop at nothing to separate
you from
your cash. The following are some of the scams they use. A favorite
is the
"Fixed" Game. Here is how the scenario works. A salesman from a
"scamdicapper"
boiler room will call and say they've gotten some inside information
on a
game that is fixed and is certain to win. He goes on to say "I'll
give you
this game absolutely free. All you have to do is bet a "nickel" on
this game
and after it wins you send me $100." His offer seems reasonable, and
you
agree. The only problem is that this scamdicapper is making the same
offer
to hundreds of people, giving out both sides of the same game. They
call
1000 people with this offer of a fixed game. For example, lets say
Ohio St.
is favored by 5' over Indiana. They give 500 people Ohio St-5' and
they
give the other 500 people Indiana+5'. No matter which team ******,
500
people ere given a winner and the sports service now collects
$50,000.
There are no such things as "fixed" or "lock" games! There is no
such thing
as a sure thing. Another scam involves the use of aliases and
ownership of
multiple services. A "scamdicapper" can operate dozens of services
all under
different names. When one service is losing, they will call using a
different name, the losing clients and sell them on a different
service.
It's just a matter of time before this service will lose as well.
"Scamdicappers" don't care whether they win or lose. They
are basically running a telemarketing scam. Some services will
invent a
monitor, and claim to be documented. Some of these services are so
brazen
or stupid, that they use the same phone number as their office.
Others will
advertise being documented by one of the legitimate monitors. But
when you
actually call the monitor to verify, you find that the service has
never
been monitored. These "crooks" get away with this because seldom do
people
check to verify their claims.
Real Expectations
With all the false advertising and lying it's hard to know what
to expect
when using the expertise of a legitimate sports service? First and
foremost
you have to set some realistic goals, and determine a money
management
strategy. Most people fail in betting sports because they fail to do
this.
In setting goals you should determine what you want to accomplish for
the
upcoming season. Here are some things to think about in setting your
goals.
There are approximately 22 full weeks of action, including the pre-
season.
If you bet an average of seven games a week you will have bet on
approximately 150 games during the season. The following is a
breakdown of
percentages and net winners based on betting 150 games:
60% 90-60 24.0 net winners
58% 87-63 17.7 net winners
56% 84-66 11.8 net winners
With that in mind you must determine your goal based on the amount
you will
bet per game. The following lists the potential profit based on 60%.
$100 per game $2400
$200 per game $4800
$300 per game $7200
$500 per game $12,000
$1000 per game $24,000
To set your own realistic goals, you must determine three things:
1. Estimated amount of games bet.
2. Estimated winning percentage.
3. Amount wagered on each game.
Any legitimate sports service can help you in determining your own
goals.
CONCLUSION:
In this report we have just scratched the surface in discussing the
sports
service industry. The following is a step by step plan for choosing
an
honest, reliable, and effective sports service. There are plenty of
great
services that can help you win. If you follow the plan you should
have no
problem finding a good sports service.
-----Steps For Finding A Good Sports Service---
The Elimination Round Eliminate any service that does any of the
following:
1. Advertises or claims an unbelievable winning percentage
2. Solicits your business, claiming to have inside
information or a
"fixed game"
3. Has numerous clubs or gives different selections to
different
clients
4. Owns or has an interest in numerous services
5. Uses high pressure tactics to get the sale
6. Will not take your call, but rather, insists on getting
your
number to call you
7. Advertises picks as "Absolutely Free," but when you call,
requires you to first buy picks
8. Lies or misleads you about anything
9. Makes you feel uncomfortable
10. Can not provide you with a documented record
11. Will not take the time to talk to you personally
If you eliminate the "scamdicappers" by following the criteria set
out in the
"elimination round," and ask the listed questions below you will find
an
honest, reliable, and effective sports service.
Ask Questions of the sports service
1. What is your complete record ? What was your record
last year ?
2. What winning percentage are you setting for your goal
this year ?
3. How many selections do you give out per week ? Are they
rated ?
4. When do you give out your selections ?
5. What guarantees do you make ?
6. Ask about handicapping philosophies.
7. Ask for money management advice and strategies.
8. Discuss current happenings in sports, listen for
informed and
confident opinions.
9. Ask what information sources are used. (newspapers,
periodicals,
books, on-line services, etc.)
When asking the above questions, be sure to make notes. Afterwards
review
the information in your notes and address any points that you are
unclear
about. As with any purchase you must decide which service will best
suit
your needs. Be informed.
This is a partial list of sports services that are known to operate
unethically. Those listed have falsely advertised or employed scams
to
mislead the unsuspecting into buying their service.
Mike Warren
Stu Finer
Kevin Duffy
Jeff Allen
Hot Sports
****** DeMarco
The Professor
ATS Consultants
John Stryker
Greg Silvera
Gordon Michaels
Jack Price
Ron Bash
Dan Pastorini
Jack Newport
John West
Winrich
Mr. T
BG Football
David James
Lombardi Sports Wire
Mike Zimbo
Curtis Reed
Duke's Action Line
Ty Gaston<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Skip Peterson
AUSF
Polar Bear Sports
OTL Sports
Linemasters
Blazer
Spot Play
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