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  • #16
    Got this off another site

    This guy is well respected in the gaming industry.....


    BLACK FRIDAY FOR ONLINE GAMBLING

    I have read many public forums over the past few days. Until now, I have not spoken out publicly on the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act, and the new version of this law which was attached to the Ports Security Bill on Friday night, although my views are probably foreseeable.

    I do not believe most of the members here quite understand the degree of damage this new legislation will have upon the online gambling industry -- inclduing sports wagering, poker, and affiliated businesses such as sports sites.

    Before I comment upon this legislation and its detrimental impacts, first I should disclose that I have been involved in the poker business for more than a decade. I was and am the Media Director for the World Series of Poker. I was, until yesterday, the Director of Communications for PokerStars.com -- the second-largest online poker site in the world. I resigned my position based on legal advice. In 2004, I was the Editor of a sports betting magazine published by SportingBet USA. I also served as a guest handicapper here for four years. Please note that the opinions expressed here are not those of the World Series of Poker, PokerStars.com, or anyone else I have been affiliated with. They are my own.

    Once this bill is signed into law (possibly as early as Wednesday, Oct. 4), it becomes effective immediately. This is why 888, PartyGaming, and others are suspending US operations, effective immediately. News has already been released that .COM (money) poker games will not be available to US residents. However, .NET (free) games will continue uninterupted.

    I expect this to have a ripple afffect across the entire industry. Most of the larger poker sites, and likely offshore sportsbooks as well, will be forced to block wagers from US residents. Otherwise, all operators/employees are subject to arrest and prosecution if they enter US territory. Those here and elsewhere who have stated this new law "only applies to financial transactions" have a narrow and tragically misguided view of the legislation. It essentially makes any employee or agent of the offshore site a criminal under US law -- UNLESS they block transactions from US residents. In short, an executive from an offshore sportsbook could enter the US and not fear arrest, provided that company is not doing business inside the United States.

    Hence, the impetous is on the sites themselves to shut down US operations and links to US clients. I expect that most of the larger sportsbooks and poker sites will follow this trend for a few reasons which follow:

    1. First, many of the larger, more established compnaies will take a long-term strategic view. They will decide it is better to operate within the law, rather than break it. This is especially true for public companies subject to gaming law and regulations, such as Party, 888, etc.

    2. Companies which comply with US law now will be in a better position to re-enter the US market, provided online gamlbing is eventually legalized.

    3. While profits will decline in the short-term, these companies will be forced to expand into new markets (Asia, Latin America, and so forth) or perish. Those companies with diversified products (non-US sports on the betting menu, for example) will be in better position to make the adjustment.

    4. I expect a number of rogue sites to pop up and circumvent the law. Clearly, some sites will emerge and take the risk of accepting US wagers because of great potential profit. Sadly, I expect some of these rogue sites will be poorly run and mismanaged and scandal will result, which impacts the entire industry, and this makes legaliztion in the US even more difficult.

    5. I expect that most of the majors in the sports betting market will continue to operate through the end of football season (the most profitable time of the year) and use the 270-day enforcement discussion period as a grey area which can be exploited to their advantage. However, as arrests and prosecutions continue to make news (Caruthers, Dicks, etc.) some of the majors will be forced to confront the prospect of blocking US traffic. I also expect US officials to put pressure on some governments such as Costa Rica, Antigua, and others to regulate their own sportsbooks, in the manner that the US government is involved in drug policy in counties like Mexico, Columbia, and so forth.

    6. I predict that most of the majors will conduct themselves in a professional manner, by refunding deposits and paying (winning) players upon request. More to the point, I am not withdrawing my money from any poker or sports betting account at this time. However, those sites which openly violate US law will risk eventually being targeted in international court. I admit to having less knowledge on this issue than any other. But I do not fear that well-established sportsbooks will run away with money. I can say with absolute certainty that the big poker sites will act in good faith. I think I know this industry well enough to express this confidence.

    As to the impacts on poker and sportsbetting, this new law is going to be DEVASTATING. Especially for poker.

    Consider that:

    A. If poker sites cannot accept deposits from US players, that will kill 70-80 percent of the overall market. The question becomes -- is there eanough of a remaining market and enough contributing players in smaller markets to sustain operations and expansion? Perhaps. But it will take years, if not a decade to return to what has been the golden age of poker.

    B. Online poker sites and sportsbooks will no longer be able to advertise (.COM-related services) inside the US. Media outlets will simply refuse to accept the ads. This includes print, television, and radio. Consider the implications. Thousands of new players were signing up daily at various sites. All of that vanishes. Sports gambling is less-relaint on advertising. However, the loss of the US market will force unforeseen changes in how these businesses are run, esepcially those companies that have multiple-gamling related products, such as BoDog, Paradise, etc.

    C. Online betting sites will likely not be able to post banner ads and links to gaming sites, especially those based inside the US. "Aiding and abetting" laws could result in arest and prosecution for those who provide links to US residents. Poker magazines, online betting forums, and even ## could suffer. I remain uncertain as to how severe this impact will be, especially at ##. But for the hundreds of poker sites/sports sties and blogs out there that are dependent upon online poker and sportsbook advertising, many will go out of business. Once again, this might not seem a big issue to everyone, but these are the pioneers who are bringing in new poker players and sports bettors and when they dry up, the market skrinks and everyone is adversely affected.

    D. Many sites use what are called affiliates. Persons who are affiliates and live inside the US will now be subject to arrest and prosecution, particualrly those who do not block financial transactions from the US.

    E. The celebrity poker culture around star poker players will diminish. One poker site is heavily branded to many big names. Now, these players will no longer be able to promote their sites inside the US. Hence, their value and stature diminishes.

    F. Big events like the World Series of Poker, which attract meany players and great inteerst from online poker sites, could decline in size for the first time in history. I am most sensitive to commenting upon this event because I still have a longstanding association with the WSOP. However, anyone who looks at the situation must conclude that the WSOP and major poker tournaments will be hurt by this new law.

    G. Online gaming sponsorships of various products and services will decline. For instance, Golden Palace ads in boxing arenas, NBA stadiums, and on halftime shows will diminish, if not end completely. PartyPoker ads that are seen regularly on TV, on all stations, will fade away. Millions in advertising revenue will be lost by media companies (which begs the question (why were they not fighting this legislation?)

    Keep in mind that these points are off the top of my head. I do not pretend to have a legal background. They are simply personal points of view and speculation as to the impacts of this new law.

    Finally, there were some here and elsewhere who said not to worry, that the law would never pass, and so forth. Now, we see what happens when we remain complacent and passive. Aside from this being an outrageous violation of personal freedoms and privacy in this country, I view this issue as largely symbolic of the decline of civil liberties in recent years, and an eerie warning of what is to come. It brings to mind a bumper sticker I saw recently, "If you aren't outraged, you aren't paying attention."


    Nolan Dalla
    Las Vegas, NV
    Last edited by BettorsChat; 10-02-2006, 08:11 PM.
    “Take No Prisoners”

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    • #17
      u have 2 be fucking kidding me.........iam moving 2 england they advertise gambling sites right on their jerseys and i can gambling anywhere there.........the good old usa unreal again...
      MY MEAT IN THE HOT DESERT.......

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      • #18
        From the London Stock Exchange

        ------------------------------------------------------------
        LONDON (AFX) - Shares in UK-listed online gaming firms plummeted today following the shock news that the US Senate has passed anti-online gaming legislation as an attachment to a major port security bill.

        Partygaming PLC, the world's biggest online gaming firm, was the most dramatic loser, declining by over half its market value.

        At close of trade, the shares were trading at 45 pence, down 62 pence or 58 pct, valuing the company at 1.88 bln stg, 2.4 bln down on the 4.28 bln stg valuation at the start of the day.

        Meanwhile, Sportingbet PLC shares were down 111-1/2 or 64 pct at 72-3/4, giving the business a market valuation of 279 mln stg compared with 776 mln stg at the start of the day.

        888 Holdings PLC fell 38-1/2 pence, or 26 pct, to 108-1/4 pence, valuing the company at 366 mln stg, compared with 494 mln stg at the start of the day.

        Analysts and industry insiders expressed surprise and dismay after Congressional Republicans successfully added a measure cracking down on internet gambling to the well-backed Safe Port Act bill that was approved by the Senate late Friday.

        Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R, Tennessee) and Senator Jon Kyl (R, Arizona) pushed for the 'Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006' to be added to the larger bill on the final day before Congress went into recess for November's mid-term elections.

        'It's pretty clear how this piece of legislation got through. There was a non-partisan bill that was going through the Senate and this was tacked on the bottom of it which left any objectors caught between a rock and a hard place. 'They couldn't vote down a piece of national security legislation and their hands were forced,' one source with close links to a major UK-listed online gaming firm told AFX News.

        Daniel Stewart analyst James Hollins pointed out that the Safe Port Act had been seen by most US politicians as essential to the country's security amid heightened concerns over global terrorism.

        As such, the bill was passed through by a vast majority.

        'Online gambling appears to have little relevance to port security, although this may be a moot point if the Act passes into law as expected,' he said.

        Hollins described the impact of the legislation as 'potentially huge for those companies with a heavy reliance on their US business'.

        'Despite the slightly dumbed-down wording of the Act, it still represents an anti-online gambling Federal Law and this outcome has been the industry's key concern,' he said.

        UBS analyst Julian Easthope also expressed surprise that the bill passed through the Senate.

        'We were not expecting this bill to pass due to the complexities of the carve-outs. We also believe this was a consensual view and that the stocks will be very weak on the back of the news,' he said.

        The new legislation does not explicitly seek to extend the scope of the existing 1961 Wire Act to specifically include internet gambling. Instead, it seeks to prevent US punters placing bets online by prohibiting gamblers from using credit cards, cheques, and electronic fund transfers to settle their online wagers.

        The legislation is expected to be signed into law by President Bush within the next two weeks, and will become effective immediately thereafter.

        'It got through and the industry obviously has to deal with it. At this stage, it's prudent to assume it will be signed off and plan for the worst,' one industry executive told AFX News.

        The Act requires the Treasury Secretary to issue regulations requiring financial institutions to block transactions in connection with internet gaming within nine months.

        US horse race betting, state lotteries, fantasy sports, and other online gaming activities have been exempted from the legislation.

        PartyGaming PLC, the world's biggest online gaming firm, has indicated it intends to suspend its US operations if the Bill is signed into law by the President.

        'This development is a significant setback for our company, our shareholders, our players and our industry....we are disappointed that the popularity and skill of poker in particular have not also been specifically protected,' said chief executive Mitch Garber.

        888 Holdings confirmed it has indefinitely suspended business from US customers, following a move by US congress to outlaw online gambling.

        The company said it will 'continue to seek clarification of the overall US legal position to determine whether and to what extent, if any, resumption of participation by US customers is feasible', but stressed that, at present, 'no assurance can be given that this will be possible'.

        Sportingbet stated its US business will become unviable if its financial partners decide they cannot support the operation. However, it added it will be 'seeking clarification as to whether the act is in violation of US commitments under the General Agreement of Trade and Services and representations made by the US in recent World Trading Organisation proceedings'.

        PartyGaming generates around 75 pct of its revenues from the US. Sportingbet takes 70 pct of its revenues from the region, while 888 Holdings derives just over 50 pct. Ladbrokes and William Hill take no US bets.

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        • #19
          heres the thing about this bill..

          its banning the financial institutions not us.

          places like neteller are going to cut us off from depositing, but another place is going to come along and let us.

          I remember when paypal stopped letting me deposit into poker sites. I found another way.

          Theres no way in hell a multi billion dollar industry is just going to stop because of this.

          It will be a little hard at first, but give it a few months and all will be back to normal.

          If I knew how to trade party gaming stocks on etrade id be all over that stock.
          Thank you Ryan Howard! <--- ITS A WINNER!



          2012 CFB: 3-7
          2012 NFL: 3-3

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Carlg
            Got this off another site

            This guy is well respected in the gaming industry.....

            5. I expect that most of the majors in the sports betting market will continue to operate through the end of football season (the most profitable time of the year) and use the 270-day enforcement discussion period as a grey area which can be exploited to their advantage. However, as arrests and prosecutions continue to make news (Caruthers, Dicks, etc.) some of the majors will be forced to confront the prospect of blocking US traffic. I also expect US officials to put pressure on some governments such as Costa Rica, Antigua, and others to regulate their own sportsbooks, in the manner that the US government is involved in drug policy in counties like Mexico, Columbia, and so forth.

            6. I predict that most of the majors will conduct themselves in a professional manner, by refunding deposits and paying (winning) players upon request. More to the point, I am not withdrawing my money from any poker or sports betting account at this time. However, those sites which openly violate US law will risk eventually being targeted in international court. I admit to having less knowledge on this issue than any other. But I do not fear that well-established sportsbooks will run away with money. I can say with absolute certainty that the big poker sites will act in good faith. I think I know this industry well enough to express this confidence.

            As to the impacts on poker and sportsbetting, this new law is going to be DEVASTATING. Especially for poker.

            Consider that:


            Keep in mind that these points are off the top of my head. I do not pretend to have a legal background. They are simply personal points of view and speculation as to the impacts of this new law.

            Finally, there were some here and elsewhere who said not to worry, that the law would never pass, and so forth. Now, we see what happens when we remain complacent and passive. Aside from this being an outrageous violation of personal freedoms and privacy in this country, I view this issue as largely symbolic of the decline of civil liberties in recent years, and an eerie warning of what is to come. It brings to mind a bumper sticker I saw recently, "If you aren't outraged, you aren't paying attention."


            Nolan Dalla
            Las Vegas, NV

            Obviously he doesn't know that Dicks was released by the New York Court which wouldn't expidiate him to Louisiana to face charges. He's now back in the UK unlike Caruthers.

            "SportingBet – whose former chairman Peter Dicks returned to the UK on Saturday after a New York court refused to extradite him to Louisiana, where he faced a charge of "gambling by computer" – was believed to be preparing a statement for the stock exchange, but is expected to wait to assess the impact of the bill, according to the Financial Times."

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            • #21
              Well, this is a little encouraging

              Bankers and players in America hedge their bets on internet law
              By Dominic Walsh and Tom Bawden
              Online gambling chiefs set to suspend US activity

              *
              INTERNET gambling executives planned for the worst yesterday and prepared to suspend all their online operations in the US.

              PartyGaming indicated that it intends to close its US operations, which account for about 70 per cent of its revenues, if a gambling Bill designed to make it illegal for banks and credit card companies to take payments and transfer funds to internet gambling sites — is signed into law by the President.

              Mitch Garber, the chief executive, said: “This development is a significant setback for our company, our shareholders, our players and our industry. We are disappointed that the popularity and skill of poker in particular have not also been specifically protected.”

              888 Holdings confirmed that it would indefinitely suspend business from US customers, who accounted for about half its customers. Sportingbet said its US business, which accounts for 70 per cent of its revenues, would become unavailable if its financial partners decide they cannot support the operation.

              Gigi Levy, chief executive designate of 888 Holdings, said there was no question of the company seeking to circumnavigate the new law as it would now be a criminal offence for operators to accept funds.

              As UK online gambling executives expressed their dismay ahead of the Bill becoming law, leading figures in the US financial industry predicted that the new legislation would be unenforceable and likely to drive the industry underground.

              The warning came as the banking community promised to begin immediately lobbying the Federal Reserve and the US Treasury to amend the new legislation.

              Edward Kane, a leading academic and consultant to the World Bank, said: “The new legislation is disturbing because it forces banks to be police officers. But more importantly, it is going to be extremely difficult to police. You just need to look at the success of money laundering efforts generally.”

              Analysts said that the new legislation should stop US citizens gambling online with their credit cards because every company that takes credit card payments must give the issuer a code that denotes the nature of its business.

              But the Independent Community Bankers of America, which represents 95 per cent of America’s banks, said many online gamblers would simply shift from paying with their credit card to using cheques or transferring money from their bank account to the internet company’s account.

              Steve Verdier, a spokesman for the banks, said that gamblers could also fund their bets by setting up an electronic wallet on a website such as Firefly, which they could load up with cash using a money transfer or a credit card.

              Mr Kane, a former adviser to the US Federal Reserve, said: “There will obviously be some people — maybe 30 per cent at a very rough estimate — who are law-abiding citizens and will stop online gambling immediately.

              “But, for the others, what is to stop the betting company changing its name to something totally unrelated to gambling and changing it every week, every day even? How would the bank know it was a betting company and what would be the incentive for it to find out? This Bill most definitely isn’t air tight. For a start, it doesn’t impose the liability on the gambler or the recipient, just the financial institution.”

              Mr Verdier, whose body represents 5,000 of America’s 8,000 community banks — which in turn represent 95 per cent of the country’s banks — said that he would immediately begin lobbying to get the proposed new legislation changed The organisation is keen to remove or water down the banks’ liability for “uncoded” transactions.

              “We will argue that banks are not in a good position for the uncoded transactions because it’s just not feasible to catch those,” Mr Verdier said.

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              • #22
                Sorry guys, but this is standard shit from Republican's who would rather take our freedom's away than try and run the fucking country properly. Like adequate healthcare and balancing the budget for starters. This isn't new for the moral majority, it's just that we, as gamblers, are being affected by this INSIGNIFICANT crap. Why do you think young people, poor people and intellectuals oppose these assclown's? This would not have passed if it was a liberal congress. No fucking way.....And there is no fucking way Clinton would ever have signed a piece of shit bill like this should it have passed by some miracle.....
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