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    Good for him!



    PHILADELPHIA - Bistec con queso? Not at Geno's Steaks.


    An English-only ordering policy has thrust one of Philadelphia's best-known cheesesteak joints into the national immigration debate.

    Situated in a South Philadelphia immigrant neighborhood, Geno's — which together with its chief rival, Pat's King of Steaks, forms the epicenter of an area described as "ground zero for cheesesteaks" — has posted small signs telling customers, "This Is AMERICA: WHEN ORDERING `SPEAK ENGLISH.'"

    "They don't know how lucky they are. All we're asking them to do is learn the English language," said Geno's owner Joseph Vento, 66. "We're out to help these people, but they've got to help themselves, too."

    Vento, whose grandparents struggled to learn English after immigrating from Sicily in the 1920s, said he posted the sign about six months ago amid concerns over immigration reform and the increasing number of customers who could not order in English when they wanted Philly's gooey, greasy specialty — fried steak, sliced or chopped, in a long roll, with cheese and fried onions.

    Of course, it's not as if native Philadelphians speak the King's English either. A Philadelphian might order a cheesesteak by saying something like, "Yo, gimme a cheesesteak wit, will youse?" ("Wit," or "with," means with fried onions.) To which the counterman might reply: "Youse want fries widdat?"

    The traditionally Italian community near Geno's has become more diverse over the decades. Immigrants from Asia and Latin America have moved in, joining longtime residents and young professionals seeking reasonably priced rowhouses. In the past 10 years, an estimated 15,000 to 20,000 Mexican immigrants — many of them here illegally, community leaders say — have settled in South Philly.

    Vento said his staff is glad to help non-native speakers order in English and has never turned someone away because of a language barrier.

    But the policy has "really upset a lot of a people," said Brad Baldia of Day Without An Immigrant, a coalition of immigrant groups. "For some people, I think we're just going to say, `Le gusta Pat's.'"

    Juntos, a Hispanic neighborhood organization, said it plans to send people to Geno's to try to order in Spanish and may pursue court action, depending on what happens.

    "His grandparents encountered the same racism and the same xenophobia," said Peter Bloom, the group's director. "Why would he begin that process over again?"

    Vento said he has gotten plenty of criticism and threats. One person told him they hoped one his many neon signs flames out and burns the place down, he said. But he said he plans to hold his ground.

    Customers placing orders on a recent morning seemed unfazed.

    Angelica Marquez, 22 and originally from Puerto Rico, ordered in well-spoken English, but said some of her relatives struggle with the language. "They always come and just say `cheesesteak,'" Marquez said, adding that the policy "bothers her some" but not enough to keep her away.

    When a non-English speaking customer showed up at the window a short time later, a clerk patiently coached him through the process. Eventually, both said "cheesesteak."

    Vento, a short, fiery man with a ninth-grade education, arms covered in tattoos and a large diamond ring in his ear, also sells "freedom fries" to protest France's opposition to the Iraq war. He rails against Mumia Abu-Jamal, the black man who was convicted of killing police Officer Daniel Faulkner in 1981 and has become a cause celebre among some death penalty opponents. Memorials to Faulkner are posted at his shop.

    Those who market the city, often using images of Geno's and other famous steak shops, are watching with concern.

    "I certainly wouldn't want a national audience to think it represented all of the wonderful cheesesteak makers in the whole city," said Meryl Levitz, president and chief executive of the Greater Philadelphia Tourism Marketing Corp. "This isn't representative of the Philadelphia attitude."

    Competitors are seizing on the controversy.

    Tony Luke's issued a statement saying it welcomes all customers "whether or not they speak a `wit' of English."

    And a manager at Pat's, Kathy Smith, said of Geno's English-only policy: "That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life. I'd rather listen to the Spanish than the foul language of the college students."

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    • #3
      Good.....I could go on for hours about this argument but I will just say that when you go to any other country in the world they do not acomidate "outside" languages! Welcome to America..now speak English!
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      • #4
        Originally posted by winner
        Good for him!
        Juntos, a Hispanic neighborhood organization, said it plans to send people to Geno's to try to order in Spanish and may pursue court action, depending on what happens.
        What happened to not patronzing the establishment? Sue for what? B/C they cant understand you? How the hell am I gonna order food in china if I cant speak that shit?

        God damn fuckers are so catered to have everything they want if they cant get their way they want to sue!!!

        GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!!! We dont go to other countries and ask them to speak English... If you got problems with how things are run GO THE FUCK HOME
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        • #5
          It eats me up when I make a call and an automated reply says:

          Press 1 for English
          Press 2 for Spanish

          This is AMERICA we speak english.

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          • #6
            Seems like Immigrants have more rights than that of the natives. I'm an immigrant myself (you know by my last name) but all my family members can speak English. My parents wont be able to pass any college level english classes but they know enough to get by.

            Fuckers are not even trying cuz ...press 1 for English, press 2 for Spanish, press 3 for any other language u might speak.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by CheechB03
              It eats me up when I make a call and an automated reply says:

              Press 1 for English
              Press 2 for Spanish

              This is AMERICA we speak english.



              "Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant'
              is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'"

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              • #8
                Fan, LMAO

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                • #9
                  "They don't know how lucky they are. All we're asking them to do is learn the English language," said Geno's owner Joseph Vento, 66. "We're out to help these people, but they've got to help themselves, too."

                  I am with Jose(ph) Vento on this..... but I'd still order in Sicilian or Italian just to fuck with him.

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                  • #10
                    I can speak from firsthand experience here.
                    As most of you know, my new wife is from Colombia and speaks limited English.
                    She does have a high determination to learn English though and is studying the very intensive Rosseta Stone Course to learn English as well as by reading newspapers, watching movies, etc.
                    While I myself speak some Spanish(thank god for that), obviously I encourage her to try to speak to me in English.
                    I can't really argue with anything said in this forum other than to say that many merchants in other countries do speak some English, which from their point of view would help them from a business point of view in selling products to Americans for example.
                    Also, my dad was a dentist and did study Spanish to have at least a working knowledge of it when the situation dictated and he wanted to understand and/or convey a problem/explain to a patient what he was doing.
                    Believe me though he encouraged them to speak English whenever possible.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by savage1
                      I can speak from firsthand experience here.
                      As most of you know, my new wife is from Colombia and speaks limited English.
                      She does have a high determination to learn English though and is studying the very intensive Rosseta Stone Course to learn English as well as by reading newspapers, watching movies, etc.
                      While I myself speak some Spanish(thank god for that), obviously I encourage her to try to speak to me in English.
                      Savage, I believe your wife is an exception .... 2 reasons why I say that ....

                      1) She is here legally.

                      2) She wants to learn and is trying to learn the English language. I believe you even said that while she was still in Columbia, she was attempting to learn English.
                      "Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant'
                      is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Lsufan
                        Savage, I believe your wife is an exception .... 2 reasons why I say that ....

                        1) She is here legally.

                        2) She wants to learn and is trying to learn the English language. I believe you even said that while she was still in Columbia, she was attempting to learn English.
                        You are correct, and thank god I had the time and the patience to weed through those who weren't sincere in their motivation to both come to this country and most importantly to marry me.
                        I would be lying to see it is easy to find a truly sincere wife even in a foreign land who measures up to all you want.
                        Like anything else, it took a lot of hard work and a certain determination on my part;I don't mean to sound like I am boasting, but it did pay off for me and especially in view of the fact that my efforts for whatever reasons did not allow me to find the kind of American woman I was seeking.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Lsufan
                          Savage, I believe your wife is an exception .... 2 reasons why I say that ....

                          1) She is here legally.

                          2) She wants to learn and is trying to learn the English language. I believe you even said that while she was still in Columbia, she was attempting to learn English.

                          1. A lot of spanish speaking people are here legally
                          2. A lot of folks (the majority) are attempting to speak english

                          Sav,
                          I hope you dont mind me asking you this.... has your new wife ever pressed 2 for Spanish?

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                          • #14
                            I am just sayin'

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by savage1
                              As most of you know, my new wife is from Colombia and speaks limited English.
                              There's a certain beauty about being married to a non-speaking woman. LMAO

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