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Originally posted by savage1Hold on-I meant to say they laughed at republicans who as you said made such a big deal out of it.
Other presidents like JFK had sex outside of marriage, but it was not reported or little was made of it unlike with Clinton.
It doesn't matter what he lied about, a sitting President lied under oath. Our whole country is founded partly on the court system that we have. That system depends on peole being truthful when testifying. When the leader of the country compeltey disregards one of the support of the fabric of our entire nation, then he deserves to be impeached.O..H.........I..O!
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Originally posted by savage1I just finished watching the tape.
Overall, there was quite a bit of speculation, conjecture and theories offeredO..H.........I..O!
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Originally posted by ULikeApplesI still ahve 34 posts more to read to catch up here, but I have to say something. Bill Clinton did not get impeached b/c he had an affair. Bill Clinton did not get impeached when he lied to everyone's face saying he did not ahve sexual affairs with that woman. Bill Clinton DID get impeached b/c we lied under oath in a deposition.
It doesn't matter what he lied about, a sitting President lied under oath. Our whole country is founded partly on the court system that we have. That system depends on peole being truthful when testifying. When the leader of the country compeltey disregards one of the support of the fabric of our entire nation, then he deserves to be impeached.
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Originally posted by ULikeApplesI still ahve 34 posts more to read to catch up here, but I have to say something. Bill Clinton did not get impeached b/c he had an affair. Bill Clinton did not get impeached when he lied to everyone's face saying he did not have sexual affairs with that woman. Bill Clinton DID get impeached b/c we lied under oath in a deposition.
It doesn't matter what he lied about, a sitting President lied under oath. Our whole country is founded partly on the court system that we have. That system depends on peole being truthful when testifying. When the leader of the country compeltey disregards one of the support of the fabric of our entire nation, then he deserves to be impeached.
It is no wonder that people in other countries who have proper perspective on what REALLY matters in this world today laugh/scoff at those in this country who made such a big deal about the matter.
Your implication is that Clinton simply because he was the president should have to answer to the American public and the courts about sex;bullshit.
Clinton is a human being first, and the matter should be between him and his wife.
The same with JFK, Roosevelt and other presidents who had sex outside of marriage.Last edited by savage1; 05-26-2006, 08:33 PM.
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Originally posted by ULikeApplesI still ahve 34 posts more to read to catch up here, but I have to say something. Bill Clinton did not get impeached b/c he had an affair. Bill Clinton did not get impeached when he lied to everyone's face saying he did not ahve sexual affairs with that woman. Bill Clinton DID get impeached b/c we lied under oath in a deposition.
It doesn't matter what he lied about, a sitting President lied under oath. Our whole country is founded partly on the court system that we have. That system depends on peole being truthful when testifying. When the leader of the country compeltey disregards one of the support of the fabric of our entire nation, then he deserves to be impeached.
TELL THAT TO THE 50000 DEAD IN IRAQ.
AND THE 2800 AMERICAN SOLDIERS KILLED OVER THERE.
THE SAD THING IS, YOUR SERIOUS.
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I told you guys this will never end, politics is a waste of time to argue. A lot politicians lie, mislead, etc. It's all because of money. "Anybody that says money is the root of all evil, doesn't have any." The people that don't have any, get fucked. Somebody shoot me in the face.Last edited by BigWeiner; 05-26-2006, 09:10 PM.
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Give a rest fellas. Go bang your girlfriend, wife, and in Monte's case his male friend. Easy does it, were not fixing the planet tonightQuestions, comments, complaints:
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Originally posted by savage1What a laughable post. Another words whether Clinton lied under oath about SEX(which is no one's god damn business other than his wife) is more important than the lies and deceptions(not told under oath) of the Bush Administration, which have resulted in DEATHS of thousands of persons.
It is no wonder that people in other countries who have proper perspective on what REALLY matters in this world today laugh/scoff at those in this country who made such a big deal about the matter.
Your implication is that Clinton simply because he was the president should have to answer to the American public and the courts about sex;bullshit.
Clinton is a human being first, and the matter should be between him and his wife.
The same with JFK, Roosevelt and other presidents who had sex outside of marriage.
Huh? Don't you know anything about why he was being deposed? It was in the Paula Jones harassment case. ANother one of his things from his AK days that he wanted to sweep under the rug. Seriously man, look it up.
When you are being accused of sexual harassment, then it IS more than just between you and your wife.
And about BUsh lying....give it up man.Last edited by ULikeApples; 05-26-2006, 10:47 PM.O..H.........I..O!
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Originally posted by ULikeApplesHuh? Don't you know anything about why he was being deposed? It was in the Paula Jones harassment case. ANother one of his things from his AK days that he wanted to sweep under the rug. Seriously man, look it up.
When you are being accused of sexual harassment, then it IS more than just between you and your wife.
And about BUsh lying....give it up man.
That still doesn't detract though from my contention for the original reason why the Republicans wanted his head(Monica) and why the rest of the world laughed at us.
Bush lying-give it up? Why. Is your implication that all of Bush's actions are on the up and he should not be questioned about the integrity of his actions?
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Does this not indicate one of the main reasons for impeachment? Maybe I missed something and/or it is of no importance?
his conduct while President of the United States, William Jefferson Clinton, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has willfully corrupted and manipulated the judicial process of the United States for his personal gain and exoneration, impeding the administration of justice, in that:
On August 17, 1998, William Jefferson Clinton swore to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth before a Federal grand jury of the United States. Contrary to that oath, William Jefferson Clinton willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony to the grand jury concerning: (1) the nature and details of his relationship with a subordinate government employee; (2) prior perjurious, false and misleading testimony he gave in a Federal civil rights action brought against him; (3) prior false and misleading statements he allowed his attorney to make to a Federal judge in that civil rights action; and (4) his corrupt efforts to influence the testimony of witnesses and to impede the discovery of evidence in that civil rights action.
In doing this, William Jefferson Clinton has undermined the integrity of his office, has brought disrepute on the Presidency, has betrayed his trust as President, and has acted in a manner subversive of the rule of law and justice, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.
Wherefore, William Jefferson Clinton, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.
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Originally posted by savage1On August 17, 1998, William Jefferson Clinton swore to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth before a Federal grand jury of the United States. Contrary to that oath, William Jefferson Clinton willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony to the grand jury concerning: (1) the nature and details of his relationship with a subordinate government employee; (2) prior perjurious, false and misleading testimony he gave in a Federal civil rights action brought against him; (3) prior false and misleading statements he allowed his attorney to make to a Federal judge in that civil rights action; and (4) his corrupt efforts to influence the testimony of witnesses and to impede the discovery of evidence in that civil rights action.
Also, in regards to the Bush lying thing. I just think it is irresponsible to say that without any facts to back it up. That goes for saying that about anyone. Obviously he was wrong on alot of things, i.e. pre-war intelligence, but being wrong does not equal lying.O..H.........I..O!
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