Exxon & Mobil make RECORD profits from Gauging Gas Prices

[tkim11]

How fuel efficiency law works is a fucken joke. Each company has to post an avg. effiency rate of some number, lets say 30mpg (a guess). Now here the shitty part. They can have a car that can post 90 mpg and have 6 cars post 20 mpg. 7 cars avging exaclty 30 mpg - not per car but COMPANY. But they never have to release that 90 mpg car. As long as that car can be in "production" car companies has nothin to worry about. So car companies send those fucken cars with shitty mpg to the customers. Why? B/C car + oil = money for owners. Oil companies and car companies hold each other's hand when making decisions. Its a huge business. Not saying its fair but its business. They go together like peanut butter and jelly or dick with pussy.

[te14]

Savage-

You know we disagree but just bear with me for a minute. Again, I'm not excusing ANYONE in this scenario but I put just as much blame on the politicians as I do the oil companies. It is so easy to blame the "present" administration for everything, and even I have have my issues with them, but Congress has to pass legitimate energy bills with real solutions. They are in the pocket of these groups and it clouds their ability to do the right thing. In your blame game, please allow some room for Congress as well (including the Democrats).

[packer34]

Nothing will happen to these oil companies!!! And if anything that would happen it would be just a slap on the wrist compared to the money these companies are making! Don't forget your president is an oil man!

[te14]

Uh oh, here we go again. I'm beginning to wonder how in the hell some of you can possibly justify gambling. Certainly someone else is to blame for your losses.

[savage1]

Savage-

You know we disagree but just bear with me for a minute. Again, I'm not excusing ANYONE in this scenario but I put just as much blame on the politicians as I do the oil companies. It is so easy to blame the "present" administration for everything, and even I have have my issues with them, but Congress has to pass legitimate energy bills with real solutions. They are in the pocket of these groups and it clouds their ability to do the right thing. In your blame game, please allow some room for Congress as well (including the Democrats).

I agree with you 100%; Politics oversteps party affiliation, and I am sure there is a high percentage of democrats who yield to the pressure of some of these groups also.
Sadly, people like Ralph Nader who might help in some of these areas if he were president, would probably feel miserably in other more important areas of qualities needed to be president.
I think that we have to lessen our dependence on foreign oil and as you say Congress has to do its part also.
I guess above is much easier said than done.
ps No matter who is to blame, I think that something somehow is wrong when oil companies are getting filthy rich at the expense of everyday people and simply attribute the increase to "increased demand." There should be a thorough investigation as to how much the oil companies paid/what it cost them to produce the oil for which we paid up to $3.40 a gallon for regular a couple of months ago.

[te14]

I agree with you 100%; Politics oversteps party affiliation, and I am sure there is a high percentage of democrats who yield to the pressure of some of these groups also.
Sadly, people like Ralph Nader who might help in some of these areas if he were president, would probably feel miserably in other more important areas of qualities needed to be president.
I think that we have to lessen our dependence on foreign oil and as you say Congress has to do its part also.
I guess above is much easier said than done.
ps No matter who is to blame, I think that something somehow is wrong when oil companies are getting filthy rich at the expense of everyday people and simply attribute the increase to "increased demand." There should be a thorough investigation as to how much the oil companies paid/what it cost them to produce the oil for which we paid up to $3.40 a gallon for regular a couple of months ago.

Well said, but don't scare me with that Nader stuff! Getting away from the dependence on foreign oil has to become an absolute priority TODAY! We may differ on how we remedy that, but we want the same thing.

[savage1]

Te-I agree and don't worry I would not vote for Nader no matter what party put him up, the most important reason believe it or not, is that I don't think he has the political skills to succeed.
As much as I knock politicians, I think someone to succeed has to have the right kind of temperament to get along with Congress, lobbyists etc.andn to make compromises, etc. to get things to happen. I just don't think Ralphy has the right "people" skills to do this;I still agree with some of his philosophy though.

[BettorsChat]

V-Power is down too $2.41-$2.49 here now

[BUD GREGG]

I Have To Laugh When I See How Mad People Get When Oil Cos Make Hugh Profits Then Go Out To There Driveways Get Into Gas Guzzlers...............hell I Am No Different Than Those That Get Outraged But It Is Tempered With The Thought That I Have Chosen My Veh With Full Knowledge Of Gas Mileage And Prices, When I Could Have Chosen A Veh Based Upon Fuel Economy.................we Have Met The Enemy, The Enemy Is Us................oil And Gas Cos Are Rich On Our Consumption And Being Spoiled As A Nation Of People Who Aren't Ready To Make The Necessary Scarifice To Change What Oil And Gas Cos Do...................

[james1961]

How about all the Federal regulations, Enviromental regulations, and all the Federal-State-Local TAXES we must deal with.

[BettorsChat]

I Have To Laugh When I See How Mad People Get When Oil Cos Make Hugh Profits Then Go Out To There Driveways Get Into Gas Guzzlers...............hell I Am No Different Than Those That Get Outraged But It Is Tempered With The Thought That I Have Chosen My Veh With Full Knowledge Of Gas Mileage And Prices, When I Could Have Chosen A Veh Based Upon Fuel Economy.................we Have Met The Enemy, The Enemy Is Us................oil And Gas Cos Are Rich On Our Consumption And Being Spoiled As A Nation Of People Who Aren't Ready To Make The Necessary Scarifice To Change What Oil And Gas Cos Do...................

Actually the miles per gallon stated on cars isn't even correct as the government needs to update the tests they do on cars as its like 25 years old. I believe on average it's 40% off for in town MPG.

[BUD GREGG]

Simply Stated Regardless Of Correctness Of Mpg Test, A Vw Gets To And From Using Less Gas Than A Ford Excursion......................common Sense In This Case Is Common

[BettorsChat]

Simply Stated Regardless Of Correctness Of Mpg Test, A Vw Gets To And From Using Less Gas Than A Ford Excursion......................common Sense In This Case Is Common

You may be right in some cases, but wrong in others. I watched the report on tv. A guy bought a Honda that was supposed to get 21 MPG in town, however it was only getting 14 MPG. He said he bought the vehicle, because of the MPG it was supposed to get.

Now if someone goes out and buys a Hummer they know what there getting. Now a Corvette is listed at 21 MPG in town. Do you actually think it gets that?

I believe the Ford Excursion is listed at around 20-21 MPG too. I would have to check on it, but I doubt the VW is stated as getting that much better gas than the excursion.

[savage1]

I can speak from experience as I have owned a Honda Insight(hybrid) for over 3 years;the car has a computer which figures out the mpg for a trip, between fillups and has the mpg for the life of the car.
The car was advertised to average somewhere around 60(I don't remember exactly what the number is).
However, for the life of the car the mpg i have got is actually around 39 and change.
I have gotten as much as high fifties on a trip(that was a few years ago), and I don't do a lot of driving any more(can't drive my car to Colombia,lol) as I am retired(probably 10k a year), and only fill my car up every 2 -3 weeks;I would think I would get better mileage if the car didn't sit around idle so much.
I questioned Honda about it and had some tests done;everything is tuned right, etc. They did tell me for the last few years there have been som additives to the gas which hurt the mileage.
I remember when I first got the car I seemed to be averaging in the mid 40's.
In any case, in comparison my other cars(all hondas)averaged in mid 20's;thus it is better and I really do like this car.
Thus, I agree with BC's contention re:gas mileage, and my car is about 33% off in mpg from what is advertised, which is about the same as the Honda he used in his example.