Casey Anthony Trial

[Udog]

U had me at world-wide lol you.must be.one smart cookie lol.

Hell, those numbers have never really meant anything, tech. The smartest person in the world can have a bad day and look like a moron.

I was recruited by a friend in the psychology department and was in it strictly for the money.

At least I was smart enough not to bet against the NL's pitching last night.

[tech fan]

I was in a world-wide contol group that was testing a radical new version of Luria's CAS. As the administators at Vanderbilt University explained, the rating scale was extremely different. It topped out above 200. Luria's object was to refine the percentile parameters.

I don't know how the new method eventually fared. I'm sure that, in the end, the results were deemed no more decisive than any other standardized test.

U had me at world-wide lol you.must be.one smart cookie lol.

[jcindaville]

I'm no attorney, and I'm not Wayne

[Udog]

What IQ test scores as high as 173 ?

I was in a world-wide contol group that was testing a radical new version of Luria's CAS. As the administators at Vanderbilt University explained, the rating scale was extremely different. It topped out above 200. Luria's object was to refine the percentile parameters.

I don't know how the new method eventually fared. I'm sure that, in the end, the results were deemed no more decisive than any other standardized test.

[Spark]

When a person kills another person, it's Homicide. This is in contrast to suicide, which is when a person kills himself.

Homicide may be legal or illegal, so cause of death is always investigated by the Police Homicide unit. Examples of justifiable or legal homicide would be killing in self-defense, executions by order of the court, or an accidental killing without any intention to hurt.

The difference between Murder and Manslaughter is that Murderer has the intent to kill. First Degree murder is planned before the event, while Second Degree is not planned.

Manslaughter may be Voluntary or Involuntary. Voluntary manslaughter refers to instances where the killer has been provoked. Involuntary manslaughter generally refers to negligence or accidental killing.



http://helpglobe.com/answers.aspx?qid=443

[tech fan]

Could someone post the link to manslaughter from Wikipedia and then u might see what I was saying.If that was the only charge she would.be guilty.But because the jury decided on not guilty verdict on murder they had to go not guilty on manslaughter.I am no lawyer by any means but i know from another trial I saw on tv difference between murder and manslaughter are almost identical.


I could be wrong just don't understand.I know about accidental death and I still think this was murder but just did not have all the evidence people get used to seeing on tv shows so they chose to acquit.

[tech fan]

Third degree murder and voluntary manslaughter are the two that are identical.If u read the difference between the 2 u will see almost none.

[tech fan]

What gets me is CA had a 3 man defense team. That defense team had 4 other lawyers on the case with them. Then you have the 3 prosecutors and their team behind them. On top of that you also had Judge Perry in that court room. How many years of law school combined is that?? All of those people went to law school for years and years and you allow 12 people that do not know jack-sh*t about the law decide if she is guilty or not?? Ridiculous. I have always said that the judge should be in the deliberation room with these people. They need someone in there that can explain the law to them since it is obvious that they were not going to ask. They need someone to guide them along. I understand that the judge reads the law to them in court BEFORE they deliberate but obviously they forgot what he said by the time they got off of their asses.



Club, you are spot on with your example. That is why there were 2 other charges on her besides Murder.

Agree 100% about someone.being in deliberation with them.

[Art]

Three or four years ago, when I last took an I.Q. test, I scored 173. I would have voted to acquit simpy because the prosecution left too much doubt. Hell, they can't even show conclusively that there was a murder.

I belive she is guilty but what I believe just doesn't matter. All that matters, in a trial, is what the evidence does or does not show.

I think something else helped bring this verdict in, though. I read, not too long ago, that recent research shows that predominately female juries tend to acquit females, no matter what the evidence shows. This is especially true when the judge is a male.

What IQ test scores as high as 173 ?

The jury based their decision on poor causality analysis, as did you in concluding the not guilty verdict was proper.

Casey's defense attorney, Jose Baez, lied to the jury in presenting unfounded explanations to confuse the facts of the case, and successfully put Casey's father on trial while taking Casey off trial. The fact that Caylee even died was practically forgotten by the jury, and suspicion deflected from Casey to George Anthony. Baez lies were accepted by the jury as evidential testimony, while the real facts in the case were set aside by the jury.

Jury members demonstrated deficits in cause-effect analysis, as they dismissed facts in trying to take emotion out of the case. However, to deny facts that are emotionally charged is to deny reality, which is what the jury did. The jury's effort to remove emotional bias resulted in pushing into the background those facts pointing to Casey as the killer of Caylee. The jury had tunnel vision focusing on medical pathological evidence as to the cause of death, ignoring other facts as immaterial - thought disorder based on overdiscrimination.

Anyone who agrees with the not guilty verdict is likewise deficit in causal analysis. Specifically, overgeneralized categorical reasoning leads to the following errors:
1. The jury focused on cause of death and ignored anything but forensic evidence establishing the exact cause of death. Since there was no exact cause of death from pathological findings, no one could be blamed and a not guilty verdict was rendered. This is a denial of much evidence that murder, or neglectful actions resulting in killing Caylee, occurred. It was ignored that Casey's presented all kinds of lies and concealment strategies to hide Caylee's absence and death, for a full month. Caylee's skeleton was found hidden in a swampy area where duct tape had been covering her mouth and nose area - a very rare duct tape found in the household. There was absolutely no evidence of an accidental death or suicide. It is unreasonable to say Caylee's death was not a homicide - there is no reasonable doubt to a homicidal death given the facts. To say no one could be blamed for the death denies the facts of the case, and borders on denying the fact that Caylee died.
2. There was no DNA, fingerprint, or witness evidence linking Casey to Caylee's death. However, Casey was the last to see Caylee alive and all available evidence leads to Casey as the cause of Caylee's death, and no one else. A Chloroform search made by Casey on the computer, that was not done by Casey's mother (in spite of her perjury in saying it was, when she was proved to not be in the home when the search was made), traces of way above average levels of Chloroform in the trunk of Casey's car, Caylee's hair strand, indicating her death before the hair fell out of her head, found in Casey's car trunk (impossible for Caylee to have left it there when alive, particularly since Caylee was not known to have ever been in the car trunk alive), the later strong stench of death in Casey's car trunk, attested to by witnesses exposed to the open car trunk but not noted by many who walked by the closed car trunk, and the pathological report that Caylee died in one body position (as in the trunk) and some time later Caylee's body was removed (as in being hidden in the swampy area), and the type of duct tape used on Caylee's face was a very rare type found in the Anthony house, are all links to Casey as causing Caylee's death. It takes extraordinary mental effort to deny these facts and categorically assert "no DNA, fingerprint, or witness evidence makes Casey not guilty". However, thought disorder is often based on conceptual-categorical reasoning over-ruling inductive and deductive perceptual-wholestic reasoning in analysis.
3. Casey was a good mother that could never harm Caylee. This is the overgeneralization form of thought disorder since narcissists can often be good, sociable and kind in general, while concealing their selfishness and lack of empathy for others, until circumstances bring out their true nature (which they still try to conceal from others). Ted Bundy was popular and well regarded while engaging in early killing. Only after his compulsion to kill grew to dominate his existence did he quit socializing and devote him self exclusively to serial killing.

Purely from a personality analysis point of view, Casey was the only family capable of the murder and disposal of her daughter. Her totally narcissistic personality, not shared by any other family member, is a prerequisite for an instrumental (not for defense) murder. She has no empathy for anyone but herself, and is totally self-centered. Others have value for her only in what they can do to please her, otherwise they are disposal waste.


Casey is sociable and outgoing since she has strong needs for attention from others, but her socialization is based on feeding her narcissism rather than based on love for others. She uses others to fulfill these affiliation needs, and instrumentally provides love only as needed to get what she wants. For Casey, Caylee was a toy, a baby doll to play "Mother" with rather than someone to unselfishly love. Casey was a good and non-abusive mother to Caylee as long as Caylee meet Casey's needs more than Caylee frustrated Casey's needs. Caylee provided Casey a useful role in Casey's society where otherwise Casey had no role other than party girl. Caylee was a very bright and adorable child who everyone loved. Casey's two male room-mates spent some time with Caylee and jokingly alluded to enjoying interactions with Caylee more than interactions with Casey. In photos of the two together, Casey seems to be competing with Caylee as to who was the cutest in smiling and posing for the camera in competition with Caylee. Casey's parents were extremely doting toward Caylee. Casey's removal of Caylee insured that Casey reigned as center of attention.

When Caylee became too much of a burden for Casey, her plaything was readily disposed of like garbage, with no remorse whatsoever. Only a complete narcissist can do this. Casey killed Caylee not out of anger, like an aggressive sociopath would, but out of self-gain based in narcissism - Caylee was crimping Casey's party lifestyle and impeding Casey's sexual exploits with men that did not want a child in the way. A narcissist uses others and can readily trample over them if others get in the way. In the trial, Casey threw her father under the bus in claiming he had sexually abused her, nodding "no" in disagreement with him when her father testified that he never abused Casey. After the trial, Casey's mother tried to see Casey in jail but was cast away by Casey, in spite of the mother's perjury in defending Casey in the trial. Casey dumped her mother and father just as she had previously dumped Caylee in the swamp. Casey is incapable of love except instrumentally to use others for her own needs. When others are no longer needed, or the price of using them becomes too high, Casey readily rejects ot gets rid of them.

Casey was the last person alone with Caylee. Casey showed no concern over her daughter's disappearance, did nothing to try to find her. Casey's parents were deeply concerned and desperately tried to find Caylee.

Casey was a party girl prior to to Caylee's death, and didn't even know who the father of Caylee was. However, Casey celebrated even more, and continually, after Caylee was missing, obviously glad to get rid of the burden's Caylee imposed on her. Free at last from Caylee, Casey danced and partied, engaged in sexual exploits, and got her "Life is Beautiful" tattoo. This was true narcissistic pleasure pursuit and not a manic reaction to grief - Casey is only capable of grief for her self when her personal needs are frustrated. Casey has never shown any concern or grief for Caylee's death, except for show to manipulate others.

No one else around Caylee, but Casey, could have killed Caylee, based on psychological analysis.

The pathologist who consulted for the defense found evidence that after Caylee's death her body was stored in one position then later moved. Evidence that Caylee's dead body had been in Casey's car trunk (before being moved and dumped in a swampy area) is Caylee's hair in the trunk, chloroform in the air of the trunk, and the pronounced stench of death (noted by several witnesses) in the trunk.

Baez confused and bamboozled a stupid jury that was vulnerable to his deceitful defense. The jury accepted his totally unfounded lies as valid evidence, while ignoring the facts of the case.

[tech fan]

Here is why she's smart. She's a fucking deceiver. So she goes and gets her someone just as deceiving as she is in Baez and the shit worked. Her whole family told her to get someone else but she knew Baez could deceive enough jurors for her to walk.

So its just like u can't bullshit a bullshitter and game recognize game.A lying deceiving bitch.can recognize the same I get it lol lol.



Really I thou Baez did a good job with what he had.He was in over his head but he ended up on top.Did u hear tje story how she got him.She over heard another prisoner saying he was good and got her off and she told that prisoner to call him for her.There were a lot of well-known attorneys that would have done this for free and offered but she chose him.Her parents wanted the guy that did Scott Peterson.

[Spark]

What gets me is CA had a 3 man defense team. That defense team had 4 other lawyers on the case with them. Then you have the 3 prosecutors and their team behind them. On top of that you also had Judge Perry in that court room. How many years of law school combined is that?? All of those people went to law school for years and years and you allow 12 people that do not know jack-sh*t about the law decide if she is guilty or not?? Ridiculous. I have always said that the judge should be in the deliberation room with these people. They need someone in there that can explain the law to them since it is obvious that they were not going to ask. They need someone to guide them along. I understand that the judge reads the law to them in court BEFORE they deliberate but obviously they forgot what he said by the time they got off of their asses.



Club, you are spot on with your example. That is why there were 2 other charges on her besides Murder.

[vols fan]

Here is why she's smart. She's a fucking deceiver. So she goes and gets her someone just as deceiving as she is in Baez and the shit worked. Her whole family told her to get someone else but she knew Baez could deceive enough jurors for her to walk.

[tech fan]

I'm no attorney, and I'm not Wayne

Manslaughter-She used chloroform and duct tape to keep Caylee quiet in the trunk while she went in and partied at the bar, came out, child was dead. Didn't mean to, but she killed her.

Murder- I'm going to kill my daughter by using chloroform and duct tape so I never have to see the kid again.

I understand and this is what i thought also but I saw another trial can't remember exactly but they charged the guy with manslaughter instead of murder because of lack of evidence and the defense argued that the definition of manslaughter is the same as murder and they argued that of the state did not think he committed murder because they did not charge his client with murder he should be not guilty.


Like I said I could be wrong and can not remember exactly what it said but Tue definition that he gave for manslaughter sounded exactly like pre meditated murder.

[wayne1218]

Manslaughter-She used chloroform and duct tape to keep Caylee quiet in the trunk while she went in and partied at the bar, came out, child was dead. Didn't mean to, but she killed her.

Murder- I'm going to kill my daughter by using chloroform and duct tape so I never have to see the kid again.

BINGO!!!!!!!!

Huge difference!!!

[tech fan]

I could be wrong but I remember hearing in some u.s. states u can not get the death penalty without a body or murder weapon.I know this does not fit this case just saying all states have different laws.Thing to get a health penalty with the little evidence they had was a bad decision.There was alit of little evidence not any big evidence against her.Truth is if f this was not a high profile case and on tv this is more than likely a manslaughter case she probably agrees to pleading guilty and she gets 30 yrs out in 20.But the state had to go with everything because of the high profile of the case and that worked in the defenses favor.