John Kerry

[Deano]

While walking down the street one day a US senator is tragically hit by

>a truck and dies.
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>His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.
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>"Welcome to heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you settle in, it seems
>there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts,
>you see, so we're not sure what to do with you."
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>"No problem, just let me in," says the man.
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>"Well, I'd like to, but I have orders fro m higher up. What we'll do is

>have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose
>where to spend eternity."
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>"Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven," says the
>senator.
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>"I'm sorry, but we have our rules."
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>And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down,
>down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle
>of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in
>front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked
>with him.
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>Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him,
>shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while
>getting rich at the expense of the people.
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>They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and
>champagne.
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>Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly guy w ho has a

>good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time
>that before he realizes it, it is time to go.
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>Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator
>rises...
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>The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven where St
>Peter is waiting for him.
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>"Now it's time to visit heaven."
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>So, 24 hours pass with the senator joining a group of contented souls
>moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a
>good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St.
>Peter returns.
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>"Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now
>choose your eternity."
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>The senator reflects for a minute, then he answers: "Well, I would
>never have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I
>think I would be better off in hell."
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>So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down
>to hell.
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>Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren
>land covered with waste and garbage.
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>He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and
>putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above.
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>The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder.
>"I don't understand," stammers the senator. "Yesterday I was here and
>there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar,
>drank champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now there's just a
>wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable.
>What happened?"
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>The devil looks at him, smiles and says, "Yesterday we were
>campaigning...... Today you voted."

[Three Jack]

I guess no fucking health care is better than something......

I don't for a second pretend to be a political know-it-all, but wasn't healthcare a huge agenda for Clinton in his re-election campaign and wasn't Hillary going to reform the whole system? i could be wrong, but I thought that was a huge platform for his re-election campaign. If I am right, how did he/she do? I am sure the reason why it failed is because the Republicans wouldn't pass through Congress whatever bill the Dems & Clinton presented....

[Deano]

Back From Iraq

[KazDog]

Tony....You seem like a nice enough guy, although to say I act like I'm 'holier than thou' is completely the pot calling the kettle black. Especially with all the pearls of wisdom that seem to emanate from your prestigious keyboard.

But Slappy's comments were distasteful and you saying they were good comments isn't much better. If he wants to play with fire he can expect to get burned. I'm NOT a diehard liberal, but I'm sure as hell not going to sit there and let him spew that venomous, hate mongering garbage that was pointed at me and people who are less fortunate than I. If you'd like to call that holier than thou. Fine, you go right ahead. The mud was slung at me first. I have been fortunate to meet some of the most wealthiest and the most poorest people around and I have no hate towards any of them. Prejudice and bigotry is an ugly thing.

I can also appreciate people that have an opposite opinion. I don't agree with Frank's politics, but I respect him. Slappy's comments, I do not. PERIOD.

My comment about spelling is simple. Don't go throwing stones and acting 'holier than thou' when your level of the English language is that of a third grader......

And you're wrong about healthcare in the UK. PLain and simple.

And yes, the economy was a hell of a lot better under Clinton. The intelligence level between Bush and Clinton are a million miles apart. Clinton is a Rhode scholar and Bush was a drunken idiot.

Bush has consumed himself with this war, instead of working with a Republican Congress to get things done that are good for the country. Too bad....And I think I'll go jerk one on Bush's face instead. He deserves it more.....

KAZ

[gbell]

Kaz, sice you are into correcting grammar and spelling, a few tidbits for you.
Inbreed, not inbred, I believe.
Most wealth or wealthiest, not most wealthiest. Same applies to poor and poorest. Good luck to you.

[swismswasm666]

Perspective

JOhn Kerry, undoubtedly, botched a JOKE; Dubya botched a WAR. That's the starting point and end point, and everything in between is SPIN, regardless of what O'Reilly tells you is spin (from what I can tell, everything he says is truth; everything anyone lese says is spin- sounds like a recipe for success; sounds like several clerics I've read about...)

The reality is that our health care system is a failure, and that Clinton and Mrs. Clinton presented a tremendously idealistic and revolutionary health care program- unfortunately their probelm was that they were facing a republican congress; AND, admittedly, they were extremely naive in how one tries to get legislation passed (it's not through idealism). There mistake was rather noble. Republicans today fight a ************ drug program, let alone univeral health care program. That's sick. The value of preventative medicine is lost on these people. More importantly, on principle, as the greatest country in the world, we MUST insure all our citizens. We simply must. The fact that other countries do it makes it all the more poignant. The fact that other countries have flaws in their programs doesn't mean that we shouldn't do it- it means that we should have the vision and innovation to do it BETTER. If you believe in america, you MUST believe in universal health care. There is no liberty or freedom for she who is sick and unattended.

There is a LARGE difference between 4% and 4.8%- and, that doesn't even acount for the fact that the current unemployment rate does not account for the fact that those who have tried and failed to find a new job, and hence no longer are looking for a job (by not applying for jobs that aren't even available in their hometowns, like, say, flint, MI, or yorktown, or ___), are not counted. They simpl cease to exist for purposes of the rate. Actual unemployment, generally understood, is closer to 9%. http://bigpicture.typepad.com/commen...ted_unemp.html (note reputed citations).

America is behaving like an empire in decline, to my dismay. A great man, one of the greatest, once said that we have nothing to fear but fear itself. Today, this administration, refuses to refect on the amazing obstacles that this country has overcome, by addressing the brilliance of our constitutional system, its checks and balances, its independent judiciary, its ability to act within the confines of its constitution despite facing the greatest of evils (like nazism), albeit with lapses of overreaction (see japanese internment). Instead, they play on fear- they tell us that we face an unending war; that we must curtail our most basic constitutional freedoms (protected through the "Great Writ," the writ of habeas corpus); that torture is agreeable in the 21st century, and that anyone who questions this war, who wants to bring our brave troops home, and who questions this president, is appeasing the terrorists. THESE PEOPLE LACK ANY SENSE OF OUR GREAT HISTORY. THEY HAVE NO SENSE OF WHAT MAKES THIS COUNTRY GREAT. And it is THAT point that makes me sick to my gaddamn stomach. Literally sick.

If you believe what you hear on Fox and conservative talk radio, like the fact that Michael J. Fox was faking it, kerry is no war hero (PLEASE add up the number of days bush, cheney, rice, rummy, wolfowitz and perle spent in combat- I DARE you), and bush has a plan to fix his own mess, I got a sac of poo I'd like to sell you.

I have traveled to many countries, and as much as I admire those places, I always come back thinking to myself how much I LOVE this country. Today, I cannot explain in words how much I HATE what this adminsitration has done to the country I love in six years.

[KazDog]

Kaz, sice you are into correcting grammar and spelling, a few tidbits for you.
Inbreed, not inbred, I believe.
Most wealth or wealthiest, not most wealthiest. Same applies to poor and poorest. Good luck to you.

OK....Since not sice

And....

in‧bred  /ˈɪnˈbrɛd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-bred] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. naturally inherent; innate; native: her inbred grace.
2. resulting from or involved in inbreeding.



And the sentence can do without most....But it's NOT 'most wealth' or 'most poor'.....

Picking hairs right gbell? Considering I wrote around a thousand words, two grammar mistakes is not all that bad. Thanks for the wisdom....

[TwoTonTony]

Tony....You seem like a nice enough guy, although to say I act like I'm 'holier than thou' is completely the pot calling the kettle black. Especially with all the pearls of wisdom that seem to emanate from your prestigious keyboard.

But Slappy's comments were distasteful and you saying they were good comments isn't much better. If he wants to play with fire he can expect to get burned. I'm NOT a diehard liberal, but I'm sure as hell not going to sit there and let him spew that venomous, hate mongering garbage that was pointed at me and people who are less fortunate than I. If you'd like to call that holier than thou. Fine, you go right ahead. The mud was slung at me first. I have been fortunate to meet some of the most wealthiest and the most poorest people around and I have no hate towards any of them. Prejudice and bigotry is an ugly thing.

I can also appreciate people that have an opposite opinion. I don't agree with Frank's politics, but I respect him. Slappy's comments, I do not. PERIOD.

My comment about spelling is simple. Don't go throwing stones and acting 'holier than thou' when your level of the English language is that of a third grader......

And you're wrong about healthcare in the UK. PLain and simple.

And yes, the economy was a hell of a lot better under Clinton. The intelligence level between Bush and Clinton are a million miles apart. Clinton is a Rhode scholar and Bush was a drunken idiot.

Bush has consumed himself with this war, instead of working with a Republican Congress to get things done that are good for the country. Too bad....And I think I'll go jerk one on Bush's face instead. He deserves it more.....

KAZ

Kaz,

I am a real nice guy....ask my mom.....She'll tell ya....I did not realize he was directing the e-mail to you and i did not see idiot....I do not condone that stuff, but i agree with many of his points...jsut not the in your face way he said them.....

I really think i am reasonable on most things....What bothers me is that on this board people are extremists and so party loyal that they forget the individual issues and where we stand on things...

I will be the 1st to admit i do not know the answers...but i also know pointing fingers and changing administration rarely changes things anyways.....and i do not think it is 1 sweeping change that will fix things....I think most are very complex issues...Especially health care...On paper socialized medicine may sound great, but the canadien health care is sub-standard to what you get here......and i certainly agree we have a problem here as well.......

Most of the comments i make are tongue in cheek.......I impart my wisdom on occasion, not as a holier than thou attitutude, but one where i ask that cooler heads prevail and i usually do it by asking questions......

We all have different opinions and i am wise enough to realize if i tell you that you are wrong, you dig your heels in deeper and stop listening....the way to get dialog is to actively listen and ask questions......

I do not care that clinton was a scholar....he was also a very good orator....but i his dishonesty was a problem in my mind.....Bush went to Yale.....The school you attended to does not determine your leadership capabilities.....Leaders have advisors to do the gathering of info/data.....

I will not debate you on politics or these issues....You have your opinion about socialized medicine and i have mine based on studies and people i know who live there.....

take care and good luck.....

mostly i enter the political issues to stir the pot.....ask monte....I despise politicians of both parties.....I make more money now than i did under clinton...but that is because of me...not either one of them and if you are relying on a party to help you make more $$$......you may want to look in the mirror

Peace in the middle east

ps...it is spelled eminate.....I can spell real good...I just have beefy fingers and can not type well....

[KazDog]

Well enough Tony....I'm dropping this with you. No hard feelings.

KAZ

[TwoTonTony]

Well enough Tony....I'm dropping this with you. No hard feelings.

KAZ

never were any from here.....I respect your opinion....

[gbell]

If you believe what you hear on Fox and conservative talk radio, like the fact that Michael J. Fox was faking it,

Did Rush say he was faking it, or did he comment that he thought either he was faking it or didn't take his meds that can control some of the tremors? Since Fox did admit to not taking his meds when testifying before Congress to add to the drama effect, it was a reasonable question. When a celeberty throws him or herself into the political arena, everything is fair game. You don't think the Dems loved trotting him out for a commercial in that uncontrollable manner? And now Fox admits he hasn't even read the ballot which he touches upon when endorsing certain candidates. Dems love saying Rep's prey upon the fears of the nation but no mention of Dem's trying to prey upon the guilt of healthy citizens.

And to Kaz, unlike Kerry, I can admit a mistake. It is since, not sice. And it's wealthiest or most "wealthy". Both typos, or maybe it was all just a misinterpreted joke?

[KazDog]

I respect yours as well Tony....However, sorry to tell you....

em‧a‧nate  /ˈɛməˌneɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[em-uh-neyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -nat‧ed, -nat‧ing.
–verb (used without object)
1. to flow out, issue, or proceed, as from a source or origin; come forth; originate.
–verb (used with object)
2. to send forth; emit.

[TwoTonTony]

I respect yours as well Tony....However, sorry to tell you....

em‧a‧nate  /ˈɛməˌneɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[em-uh-neyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -nat‧ed, -nat‧ing.
–verb (used without object)
1. to flow out, issue, or proceed, as from a source or origin; come forth; originate.
–verb (used with object)
2. to send forth; emit.

I have no idea how to spell it....I was fucking with you!!!

[TwoTonTony]

Did Rush say he was faking it, or did he comment that he thought either he was faking it or didn't take his meds that can control some of the tremors? Since Fox did admit to not taking his meds when testifying before Congress to add to the drama effect, it was a reasonable question. When a celeberty throws him or herself into the political arena, everything is fair game. You don't think the Dems loved trotting him out for a commercial in that uncontrollable manner? And now Fox admits he hasn't even read the ballot which he touches upon when endorsing certain candidates. Dems love saying Rep's prey upon the fears of the nation but no mention of Dem's trying to prey upon the guilt of healthy citizens.

And to Kaz, unlike Kerry, I can admit a mistake. It is since, not sice. And it's wealthiest or most "wealthy". Both typos, or maybe it was all just a misinterpreted joke?

Give

[TwoTonTony]

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