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  • Army Plans for Troops to Stay in Iraq Until 2010

    By LOLITA C. BALDOR, AP

    WASHINGTON (Oct. 12) - For planning purposes, the Army is gearing up to keep current troop levels in Iraq for another four years, a new indication that conditions there are too unstable to foresee an end to the war.

    Gen. Peter Schoomaker, the Army chief of staff, cautioned against reading too much into the planning, which is done far in advance to prepare the right mix of combat units for expected deployments. He noted that it is easier to scale back later if conditions allow, than to ramp up if they don't.

    "This is not a prediction that things are going poorly or better," Schoomaker told reporters. "It's just that I have to have enough ammo in the magazine that I can continue to shoot as long as they want us to shoot."

    Even so, his comments were the latest acknowledgment by Pentagon officials that a significant withdrawal of troops from Iraq is not likely in the immediate future. There are now 141,000 U.S. troops there.

    At a Pentagon news conference, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. George Casey, said that as recently as July he had expected to be able to recommend a substantial reduction in U.S. forces by now. But that plan was dropped as sectarian violence in Baghdad escalated.

    While arguing that progress is still being made toward unifying Iraq's fractured political rivalries and stabilizing the country, Casey also said the violence amounts to "a difficult situation that's likely to remain that way for some time."

    He made no predictions of future U.S. troop reductions.

    Appearing with Casey, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said he and other senior Pentagon officials are still studying how the military might keep up the current pace of Iraq deployments without overtaxing the Army and Marine Corps, which have borne the brunt of the conflict. Rumsfeld said one option is to make more use of the Air Force and Navy for work that normally is done by soldiers and Marines.

    Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said Wednesday that the advance planning Schoomaker described was an appropriate cautionary approach. However, he added, the Pentagon should increase the overall size of the military to reduce stress on troops repeatedly sent into combat.

    "I applaud the new realism but I think they also have to recognize that this (war) is going to put a huge stress on our forces," said Reed, a former Army Ranger. Reed and other Democrats have called on President Bush to start bringing home troops within a year to force the Iraqi government to take more responsibility for security.

    At his news conference, Rumsfeld was asked whether he bears responsibility for what has gone wrong in Iraq or if the military commanders there are to blame.

    "Of course I bear responsibility," he replied in apparent exasperation. "My Lord, I'm secretary of defense. Write it down."

    In recent months the Army has shown signs of strain, as Pentagon officials have had to extend the Iraq deployments of two brigades to bolster security in Baghdad and allow units heading into the country to have at least one year at home before redeploying.

    The Army is finding that the amount of time soldiers enjoy between Iraq tours has been shrinking this year. In the case of a brigade of the 3rd Infantry Division, its deployment to Iraq was delayed by about six weeks because it otherwise would have had only 11 months to prepare instead of the minimum 12 months. As a result, the unit it was going to replace has been forced to stay beyond its normal 12-month deployment.

    In separate remarks to reporters, Gen. Richard Cody, the Army vice chief of staff, said soldiers need more than 12 months between deployments to Iraq so they can do a full range of combat training and complete the kinds of educational programs that enable the Army to grow a fully mature officer corps.

    That kind of noncombat experience is necessary "so that we don't erode and become an Army that only can fight a counterinsurgency," Cody said. He added that North Korea's announced nuclear test "reminds us all that we may not just be in a counterinsurgency fight and we have to have full-spectrum capability."


    10-12-06 01:02 EDT

  • #2
    Just what all of our troops probably wanted to hear...not

    No matter how much the public want's them out it doesn't matter. We have more important issues like tacking the gambling bill onto a port security bill so it will go through the senate.

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    • #3
      yeah...typical cut and run....you probably tell the cop when he pulls you over for speeding he should be out solving murders.....

      did you think we were just going to all leave at once...I am sure the withdrawal will be gradual

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      • #4
        I still cant believe that they are making them stay there for another 4 years... that is insane... Bush is an absolute moron... If Hillary did not want insurance like the Swiss or Swedes or whoever have she would be the best choice... because this guy is a f*****g idiot and needs to get the boot...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by TwoTonTony
          yeah...typical cut and run....you probably tell the cop when he pulls you over for speeding he should be out solving murders.....

          did you think we were just going to all leave at once...I am sure the withdrawal will be gradual
          Go volunteer and see what you have too say then tony. We have not won anything by being over there. Can you say that we have?

          Cut and run a typical Republican response.

          There is no need for our Troops to be getting killed! And who said anything about pulling all out at once? I didn't. We need to start pulling them all out and have them all out within 1 year. Iraq troops are capable of handling this themselves.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BettorsChat
            Go volunteer and see what you have too say then tony. We have not won anything by being over there. Can you say that we have?

            Cut and run a typical Republican response.

            There is no need for our Troops to be getting killed! And who said anything about pulling all out at once? I didn't. We need to start pulling them all out and have them all out within 1 year. Iraq troops are capable of handling this themselves.
            Monte, everything is so partisan & political with you....If i were younger i would have volunteered...That i assure you....I know it is considered vital ground for al-quada.....but i have talked to many who say many things are improved ....Is it a success??? No....I was never in support of going there in the 1st place (typical rep. response again, monte???hmmm.) ...but once we are there it is our mess to finish.....I do not like losing 1 more American life, but it is an all-volunteer force and troops realize they have to follow orders (even if it is a cause they do not believe in)...

            I have talked to many marines and i assure you the iraqi's are terrible soldiers and they are not equipped yet to handle themselves......2010 is only 3 years...I think that is a fair timetable for an attempt at stabilization if that is even possible.....The bottom line i think and has been all along.....It is a religious country and allegiance will always be to religion....not state.....

            1 year pullout is fantasy my friend

            i suggest you stop with the calling me "typical republican" as you do not know what you are talking about.....I stand differently on issues and i am not partisan......

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            • #7
              Originally posted by TwoTonTony
              Monte, everything is so partisan & political with you....If i were younger i would have volunteered...That i assure you....I know it is considered vital ground for al-quada.....but i have talked to many who say many things are improved ....Is it a success??? No....I was never in support of going there in the 1st place (typical rep. response again, monte???hmmm.) ...but once we are there it is our mess to finish.....I do not like losing 1 more American life, but it is an all-volunteer force and troops realize they have to follow orders (even if it is a cause they do not believe in)...

              I have talked to many marines and i assure you the iraqi's are terrible soldiers and they are not equipped yet to handle themselves......2010 is only 3 years...I think that is a fair timetable for an attempt at stabilization if that is even possible.....The bottom line i think and has been all along.....It is a religious country and allegiance will always be to religion....not state.....

              1 year pullout is fantasy my friend

              i suggest you stop with the calling me "typical republican" as you do not know what you are talking about.....I stand differently on issues and i am not partisan......

              If you weren't for it in the first place then surely you would be for them getting all of our troops out within a years time. Someone else posted a thread about what Iraq had in the department of soldiers etc. and it was way more than I ever knew about.

              They followed orders in Vietnam, died, came home screwed up and got shit on.

              Say what you want Tony as i've never once seen you take a stance against the Republicans....Not one time that I can recall!

              We have 2 other Countries with Nukes is that not an issue? If so how are we going to handle it with so many troops in Iraq?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BettorsChat
                If you weren't for it in the first place then surely you would be for them getting all of our troops out within a years time. Someone else posted a thread about what Iraq had in the department of soldiers etc. and it was way more than I ever knew about.

                They followed orders in Vietnam, died, came home screwed up and got shit on.

                Say what you want Tony as i've never once seen you take a stance against the Republicans....Not one time that I can recall!

                We have 2 other Countries with Nukes is that not an issue? If so how are we going to handle it with so many troops in Iraq?

                i disagreed on the war!!! that is anti-republican....is it not???

                the troops in iraq will not be shit on.....

                alo we lost 60K in vietnam

                we would not send troops into north korea....they have a million man army......bush already said we will not


                you are entitled to your opinion....please respect me to have mine.....

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TwoTonTony
                  i disagreed on the war!!! that is anti-republican....is it not???

                  the troops in iraq will not be shit on.....

                  alo we lost 60K in vietnam

                  we would not send troops into north korea....they have a million man army......bush already said we will not


                  you are entitled to your opinion....please respect me to have mine.....
                  You have a right to your opinion and you know it.

                  No, the Iraq troops wont be shit on for doing their job. My point was Vietnam troops did their job and were shit on. Many people didn't want us in Vietnam just like with Iraq. However, the troops are treated right these days with the exception of the Government lying to them about toxins that they are using and getting sick from it.

                  How many have we lost in Iraq? How many are sick? How many are fucked up physically and mentally?

                  Of course Bush won't send troops in North Korea he won't even speak with them or their Prime Minister when he came over here. He's too busy wasting $ and getting our troops killed in Iraq. Plus he's listening or at least I think to the World Trade Association which the USA is a member of, but he didn't listen to them when we went into Iraq.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BettorsChat
                    You have a right to your opinion and you know it.

                    No, the Iraq troops wont be shit on for doing their job. My point was Vietnam troops did their job and were shit on. Many people didn't want us in Vietnam just like with Iraq. However, the troops are treated right these days with the exception of the Government lying to them about toxins that they are using and getting sick from it.

                    How many have we lost in Iraq? How many are sick? How many are fucked up physically and mentally?

                    Of course Bush won't send troops in North Korea he won't even speak with them or their Prime Minister when he came over here. He's too busy wasting $ and getting our troops killed in Iraq. Plus he's listening or at least I think to the World Trade Association which the USA is a member of, but he didn't listen to them when we went into Iraq.


                    I have no idea.....I can not keep up with the rhetoric.....I hope for the best for our men and women and all our citizens, but the best thing i can do is go about my business and concentrate on that which i have control over....Unfortuantely or fortunately when we vote someone into office we have put them in charge and must live with their decisions.....With this day and age of media and propaganda the play by play shit for me is too much......Good luck with it

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