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  • #31
    Originally posted by cpickard43
    More ignorance. Big Weiner plays baseball and basketball almost daily. (a very good althlete) He played baseball for a California state U.
    DOES HE STOP BY BEFORE OR AFTER THE GAMES????

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    • #32
      Originally posted by cpickard43
      Do you think Mcguire, Giambi, Bonds, Sosa took these preformance enhancing drugs?
      I BELIEVE THEY DID. DO I THINK IT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM BEING THE PLAYERS THAT THEY ARE?? (OR WERE)ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!!!!!

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      • #33
        Then please tell me what evidence shows that it doesn't...if it didn't then why ban it and why then are all the scientists creating these wonderful chemicals or hormones to enhance performance...for athletes...

        Sorry for the name calling. U just seem way off here.
        FUCK YOU, FUCK ME

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        • #34
          You have to be a gifted athlete to play any professional sport, nobody's doubting that, but take one player, any player and make him stronger and he'll hit the ball harder. That's stating the obvious. If you disagree with that, the word stupid does you no justice.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by BigWeiner
            In football, the bigger and stronger you are the harder you hit people. In baseball, the bigger and stronger you are the harder you hit a baseball.
            IS IT THAT EASY????? WONDER WHY IT DIDNT WORK FOR ME AND 1 MILLION OTHER BASEBALL PLAYERS OUT THERE WITH BETTER THAN AVERAGE TALENT?

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            • #36
              If you are stronger and recover faster than you have an advantage. How can you argue with that?
              How many studies have there been?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by musclemann
                I BELIEVE THEY DID. DO I THINK IT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM BEING THE PLAYERS THAT THEY ARE?? (OR WERE)ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!!!!!
                So you think those 4 players would've hit the same amount of homeruns without steriods. That's what you're saying?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by musclemann
                  DOES HE STOP BY BEFORE OR AFTER THE GAMES????
                  1st grade insult. Hypocrite.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by musclemann
                    I BELIEVE THEY DID. DO I THINK IT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM BEING THE PLAYERS THAT THEY ARE?? (OR WERE)ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!!!!!
                    Again I disagree...not only does it & it did help them recover, the mental aspect of them being SUPER MEN helped...at that level of play the diff's in the super stars and the other pros is minimal...IMO...it's mental and sometimes physical...but throw in a lot more physical...ROIDS...and the mental capacity to know you can recover from anything or that they are bullet proof...it's the edge.

                    And yes I believe the guys taken the roids, became the players they became ONLY due to the roids/HGH...the proof is in their stats and performance over time...spikes in avg, hr's and so on...
                    FUCK YOU, FUCK ME

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by musclemann
                      IS IT THAT EASY????? WONDER WHY IT DIDNT WORK FOR ME AND 1 MILLION OTHER BASEBALL PLAYERS OUT THERE WITH BETTER THAN AVERAGE TALENT?
                      I didn't say anything about being good at baseball. You probably reek worse than my nuts do, at baseball, but the stronger you get the harder you hit the ball.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by vinnyvegas
                        Then please tell me what evidence shows that it doesn't...if it didn't then why ban it and why then are all the scientists creating these wonderful chemicals or hormones to enhance performance...for athletes...

                        Sorry for the name calling. U just seem way off here.
                        LISTEN ALL IM STATING IS THAT BEFORE WE CAN COUNT SOMETHING FOR FACT THERE HAS TO BE CLINICAL EVIDENCE(MORE THAN A COUPLE OF MORONS IN THE LEAGUE THAT HAS TAKEN THIS CRAP)BEFORE WE CAN SAY STEROIDS ACTUALLY WILL IMPROVE YOUR PERFORMANCE IN HITTING A BASEBALL. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THE ACTUAL ADDED BULK WILL NOT HURT YOUR PERFORMANCE?SLOW YOUR BT SPEED DOWN? MAKE UR FLEXIBILITY CRAP SO YOU CANT GET YOUR BAT AROUND. SAYING 10 OR 11 GUYS GOT GREAT RESULTS DOESNT PROVE FOR 1 MILLION BALLPLAYERS. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THEY DIDNT GET A PLACEBO EFFECT??? TOO MUCH SCIENCE(AND NOT ENOUGH BASEBALL RESULT) BEFORE YOU CAN JUST SAY IT MUST BE THE JUICE.

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                        • #42
                          "HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THEY DIDNT GET A PLACEBO EFFECT??? "

                          Because their heads got bigger than their torsos, and Mark McGwire cried in front of congress. That's how I know.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by musclemann
                            IS IT THAT EASY????? WONDER WHY IT DIDNT WORK FOR ME AND 1 MILLION OTHER BASEBALL PLAYERS OUT THERE WITH BETTER THAN AVERAGE TALENT?
                            My first guess would be that you didn't have the MENTAL part to being a PRO...that's genetic and you cannot produce that in drugs...

                            First comes the physical attributes...if you have that, then you MUST have the MENTAL...
                            FUCK YOU, FUCK ME

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by BigWeiner
                              So you think those 4 players would've hit the same amount of homeruns without steriods. That's what you're saying?

                              MAYBE THE NUMBERS WOULD'VE BEEN LESS. DO I THINK MCGWIRE HITS 700 HOMERUNS WITHOUT IT? YES DOES BONDS HIT 700 HOMERUNS WITHOUT IT? YES. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THEIR INJURIES WERE DUE TO DRUG USAGE ALSO.

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                              • #45
                                Listen Guys

                                I Apologize To Anyone I May Have Insulted Because Im Not Trying To Make Enemies Here. I Believe You Are All Good Guys And I Love This Room. I Just Happen To Be A Little Anti-media And Anti-espn. I Believe The Guys I Have Grown Watching(mcgwire And Bonds)were Great Athletes And I Have No Problem In Them Trying To Get The Best Performance Out Of Their Bodies. Do I Think They Owe The Public,congress, Or Anyone Else An Explanation For Using Them?0 I Dont. I Believe Parents Have A Responsibiltiy In Raising Their Kids And As For Congress? We Dont Even Have To Go There!!!!!!!you Guys Have A Great Evening And Goodluck To You In Your Wagering!!!!

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