Rook, Spark .......

[TheRook]

I based my points per game on the regular season. During the regular season both teams stats were almost identical. Miami had two 1000 yard rushers. They also played most of the season with their backup QB, Earl Morrall.

The only points Washington scored in that SB was off a fumble by the kicker.

IMO it's hard to base this decision strictly off stats. The game was played in different eras. The bottom line. Only one team has gone undefeated. For me that is the determining factor.

BTW stats often lie. How many times has the team with better game stats lost?

Regular season you are correct...but I think my points even get stronger when you take into effect that they shut out 2 playoff teams and demolished the AFC representive in the Super Bowl while Miami struggled in all three games.


Agree on the undefeated statement...but against weaker teams IMO.

The Bears put up much better offensive number...they put up better defensive numbers, they scored on special teams twice compared to the Dolphins none.

does the better team always win? No...just ask the 85 Dolphins. They were not better then the Bears all year...just that game.

[frankb03]

I think to determine the greatest team one has to factor how the team did a year or two before and after their dominant year.

Dolphins won back to back superbowls. They were a dominate team for a few years.

Same with the 90 Cowboys. They put together many impressive years.

One can't say that about the Bears. In 84 they were shutout in the conference championship game. In 86 they lost in the divisional playoffs.

[TheRook]

You are contridiction yourself. The Boys don't qualify because they lost a few games. Miami didn't lose any. You can't have it both ways.

never said they didn't qualify...but losing more then one game like that I think puts things in perspective.

The 85 Bears lost one game that year and that was to Miami, who went 12-4 that year.


The Dolphins played in a very week divsion and conference where only 5 teams were above .500

they had a weak schedule and although they couldn't do anything about that...they certainly didn't dominate the way the Bears did in 85 in a tougher schedule based on opponents winning percentage

85 Bears were the best defense in the history of the NFl against the run....running is just about all the 73 Dolphins had....

You put the two teams together on the field in their prime, and the 85 Bears would cripple the Dolphins.

[TheRook]

I think to determine the greatest team one has to factor how the team did a year or two before and after their dominant year.

Dolphins won back to back superbowls. They were a dominate team for a few years.

Same with the 90 Cowboys. They put together many impressive years.

One can't say that about the Bears. In 84 they were shutout in the conference championship game. In 86 they lost in the divisional playoffs.

I disagree...we're talking about the best TEAM in history..not the greatest ERA, or Dynasty. If your talking Dynasty...then I have no argument...Bears were unfortunatly a one hit wonder...BUT in that year...they were the best ever.

[frankb03]

You put the two teams together on the field in their prime, and the 85 Bears would cripple the Dolphins.

Two different eras.

I will say this. It would e a low scoring game.

The best teams now beat the 85 Bears. The 85 Bears beat the 72 Dolphins

[TheRook]

Two different eras.

I will say this. It would e a low scoring game.

The best teams now beat the 85 Bears. The 85 Bears beat the 72 Dolphins

I agree on the low scoring game....

I don't agree that the best teams now beat the Bears....I think Dallas in the 90's would be their toughest opponent....

But yes, the 85 Bears would beat the 73 Dolphins in my opinion, and in such, I would crown them the best team ever.....

[TheRook]

Here's one of my favorite sites in the entire world...

www.whatifsports.com (hope I can put that on here)

But it does all the simulations in the nba, nfl, mlb, nhl college basketball...

so I did the dolphins and bears....



1985 Chicago Bears at 1972 Miami Dolphins
The Superdome
Final - 11/20/2005 1st 2nd 3rd 4th Total
1985 Chicago Bears 10 3 3 10 26
1972 Miami Dolphins 0 7 0 0 7

Play by Play: [ 1st Quarter ] [ 2nd Quarter ] [ 3rd Quarter ] [ 4th Quarter ]
Scoring Summary
1st Quarter
CHI 12:14 FG Kevin Butler 30 yds. 3-0
CHI 5:55 TD Walter Payton 26 yd. run (Butler kick) 10-0
2nd Quarter
CHI 1:01 FG Kevin Butler 20 yds. 13-0
MIA 0:32 TD Mercury Morris 61 yd. pass from Morrall (Yepremian kick) 13-7
3rd Quarter
CHI 13:31 FG Kevin Butler 30 yds. 16-7
4th Quarter
CHI 14:56 FG Kevin Butler 24 yds. 19-7
CHI 6:05 TD Willie Gault 25 yd. pass from McMahon (Butler kick) 26-7
Team Statistics
1985 Chicago Bears 1972 Miami Dolphins
First Downs 15 12
- Rushing 5 6
- Passing 10 6
- Penalty 0 0
3rd Down Eff 5/15 7/16
4th Down Eff 1/1 0/3
Rushes-Yards 39-119 36-189
Avg Rush 3.1 5.3
Comp-Att-Int 15-24-0 11-25-3
Passing Yards 194 152
Sacks-Yards 1-5 3-15
Fumbles-Lost 0-0 1-1
Punts-Avg 5-41.2 4-40.0
KR-Avg 2-42.5 7-17.9
PR-Avg 4-10.5 5-11.8
Penalties-Yard 4-35 2-20
Time of Possession 31:01 28:59


1985 Chicago Bears Individual Stats 1972 Miami Dolphins Individual Stats
Rushing
Att Yds 20+ L TD
'85 Walter Payton 23 96 1 26 1
'85 Matt Suhey 10 15 0 7 0
'85 Jim McMahon 5 11 0 6 0
'85 Dennis Gentry 1 -3 0 -3 0
Rushing
Att Yds 20+ L TD
'72 Mercury Morris 15 139 3 42 0
'72 Larry Csonka 16 40 0 14 0
'72 Jim Kiick 3 7 0 4 0
'72 Earl Morrall 2 3 0 4 0

Receiving
Rec Yds 20+ 40+ L TD
'85 Willie Gault 3 55 2 0 25 1
'85 Dennis McKinnon 4 40 1 0 27 0
'85 Emery Moorehead 2 31 0 0 16 0
'85 Ken Margerum 1 24 1 0 24 0
'85 Walter Payton 2 18 0 0 11 0
'85 Tim Wrightman 1 16 0 0 16 0
'85 Matt Suhey 2 15 0 0 9 0
Receiving
Rec Yds 20+ 40+ L TD
'72 Mercury Morris 2 74 1 1 61 1
'72 Paul Warfield 4 43 1 0 22 0
'72 Marlin Briscoe 3 42 0 0 15 0
'72 Jim Kiick 1 6 0 0 6 0
'72 Marv Fleming 1 2 0 0 2 0

Passing
Comp. Att. Yards TD INT
'85 Jim McMahon 15 24 199 1 0
Passing
Comp. Att. Yards TD INT
'72 Earl Morrall 11 25 167 1 3

Defensive
Tackles Sacks INT
'85 Mike Richardson 4 0 2
'85 Tyrone Keys 4 0 0
'85 Mike Hartenstine 4 0 0
'85 Dan Hampton 4 0 0
'85 Gary Fencik 4 0 0
'85 Otis Wilson 3 0 0
'85 Henry Waechter 2 1 0
'85 Ron Rivera 2 0 0
'85 William Perry 2 0 0
'85 Dave Duerson 2 0 0
'85 Ken Taylor 1 0 0
'85 Mike Singletary 1 1 0
'85 Steve McMichael 1 0 0
'85 Leslie Frazier 1 0 0
'85 Richard Dent 1 0 0
'85 Wilber Marshall 0 1 1
Defensive
Tackles Sacks INT
'72 Doug Swift 5 0 0
'72 Bob Heinz 4 0 0
'72 Manny Fernandez 4 0 0
'72 Bill Stanfill 3 0 0
'72 Maulty Moore 3 0 0
'72 Bob Matheson 3 1 0
'72 Vern Den herder 3 0 0
'72 Nick Buoniconti 3 0 0
'72 Jake Scott 2 0 0
'72 Jesse Powell 2 0 0
'72 Tim Foley 2 0 0
'72 Jim Dunaway 2 0 0
'72 Larry Ball 2 0 0
'72 Charlie Babb 2 0 0
'72 Lloyd Mumphord 1 0 0
'72 Mike Kolen 1 0 0
'72 Curtis Johnson 1 0 0
'72 Dick Anderson 1 0 0

Field Goals
Made Missed
'85 Kevin Butler 30,20,30,24 -
Field Goals
Made Missed
'72 Garo Yepremian - 35,49



and the bears and 92 cowboys...

1985 Chicago Bears at 1992 Dallas Cowboys
Texas Stadium
Final - 11/20/2005 1st 2nd 3rd 4th Total
1985 Chicago Bears 0 3 3 16 22
1992 Dallas Cowboys 3 0 0 0 3

Play by Play: [ 1st Quarter ] [ 2nd Quarter ] [ 3rd Quarter ] [ 4th Quarter ]
Scoring Summary
1st Quarter
DAL 6:58 FG Lin Elliott 36 yds. 0-3
2nd Quarter
CHI 4:23 FG Kevin Butler 28 yds. 3-3
3rd Quarter
CHI 0:08 FG Kevin Butler 34 yds. 6-3
4th Quarter
CHI 9:44 FG Kevin Butler 40 yds. 9-3
CHI 7:22 TD Walter Payton 42 yd. pass from McMahon (2-PT conversion failed) 15-3
CHI 2:47 TD Ken Margerum 10 yd. pass from McMahon (Butler kick) 22-3
Team Statistics
1985 Chicago Bears 1992 Dallas Cowboys
First Downs 19 11
- Rushing 9 4
- Passing 10 6
- Penalty 0 1
3rd Down Eff 7/17 2/10
4th Down Eff 0/0 0/1
Rushes-Yards 43-165 23-83
Avg Rush 3.8 3.6
Comp-Att-Int 15-28-0 17-25-2
Passing Yards 172 98
Sacks-Yards 1-7 3-24
Fumbles-Lost 1-0 2-1
Punts-Avg 5-41.0 5-39.4
KR-Avg 1-37.0 6-21.5
PR-Avg 5-8.2 5-15.4
Penalties-Yard 3-20 0-0
Time of Possession 34:47 25:13


1985 Chicago Bears Individual Stats 1992 Dallas Cowboys Individual Stats
Rushing
Att Yds 20+ L TD
'85 Walter Payton 22 130 1 20 0
'85 Jim McMahon 6 29 1 30 0
'85 Matt Suhey 10 6 0 5 0
'85 Dennis Gentry 5 0 0 2 0
Rushing
Att Yds 20+ L TD
'92 Emmitt Smith 17 67 0 19 0
'92 Troy Aikman 2 10 0 10 0
'92 Daryl Johnston 2 5 0 5 0
'92 Curvin Richards 2 1 0 2 0

Receiving
Rec Yds 20+ 40+ L TD
'85 Walter Payton 2 45 1 1 42 1
'85 Matt Suhey 3 39 1 0 24 0
'85 Willie Gault 2 33 1 0 26 0
'85 Dennis McKinnon 2 26 0 0 15 0
'85 Emery Moorehead 3 23 0 0 13 0
'85 Ken Margerum 1 10 0 0 10 1
'85 Tim Wrightman 1 5 0 0 5 0
'85 Dennis Gentry 1 -2 0 0 -2 0
Receiving
Rec Yds 20+ 40+ L TD
'92 Michael Irvin 4 36 0 0 14 0
'92 Jay Novacek 4 26 0 0 14 0
'92 Kelvin Martin 2 23 0 0 16 0
'92 Alvin Harper 2 21 0 0 15 0
'92 Daryl Johnston 3 13 0 0 13 0
'92 Emmitt Smith 2 3 0 0 5 0

Passing
Comp. Att. Yards TD INT
'85 Jim McMahon 15 28 179 2 0
Passing
Comp. Att. Yards TD INT
'92 Troy Aikman 17 25 122 0 2

Defensive
Tackles Sacks INT
'85 Richard Dent 6 1 0
'85 Wilber Marshall 4 1 0
'85 Mike Singletary 3 0 0
'85 Mike Hartenstine 3 0 0
'85 Dan Hampton 3 1 0
'85 Dave Duerson 3 0 0
'85 Ron Rivera 2 0 0
'85 Mike Richardson 2 0 1
'85 William Perry 2 0 0
'85 Leslie Frazier 2 0 0
'85 Otis Wilson 1 0 0
'85 Henry Waechter 1 0 0
'85 Steve McMichael 1 0 0
'85 Tyrone Keys 1 0 0
'85 Gary Fencik 1 0 1
Defensive
Tackles Sacks INT
'92 Vinson Smith 6 0 0
'92 Russell Maryland 4 0 0
'92 Larry Brown Jr. 4 0 0
'92 Tony Tolbert 3 0 0
'92 Kevin Smith 3 0 0
'92 Ken Norton Jr. 3 0 0
'92 Thomas Everett 3 0 0
'92 Darren Woodson 2 0 0
'92 Robert Williams 2 0 0
'92 Godfrey Myles 2 0 0
'92 Leon Lett 2 0 0
'92 Charles Haley 2 0 0
'92 James Washington 1 0 0
'92 Jimmie Jones 1 0 0
'92 Jim Jeffcoat 1 1 0
'92 Clayton Holmes 1 0 0
'92 Kenneth Gant 1 0 0
'92 Dixon Edwards 1 0 0
'92 Tony Casillas 1 0 0

Field Goals
Made Missed
'85 Kevin Butler 28,34,40 -
Field Goals
Made Missed
'92 Lin Elliott 36 48






lol...there you have it

[wayne1218]

Dallas in the 90's had the best offensive line in history (imo). A Hall of Fame QB, Hall of Fame WR, Hall of Fame RB AND, he is the All Time leading rusher playing IN HIS PRIME at that time. They also had a Pro Bowl TE and a Pro Bowl Fullback. Possibly the BEST offense in History. The Defensive line was tremendous and so was the secondary. The LB's were very solid as well and Special Teams were very good as well. Coaching (IMO) GOES EASILY TO J. Johnson. He showed he could do it year after year and continue to build. He probably had more assistant coach's go on the be the head coach of other teams as well. It was an All Star Staff!

Once you get beyond defense i think the argument gets weaker. They liked Gimmicks. An aging Payton couldn't even get the ball in the big game and who were their receivers, Willie Gault and Who??? I just don't think they would beat that Dallas team!

[frankb03]

I don't agree that the best teams now beat the Bears..

The players of today are bigger and quicker than 20 years ago.

[frankb03]

Dallas in the 90's had the best offensive line in history (imo).

I agree 1000%

The Bears defense was the greatest in NFL history. However, if the 90s Boys and the 85 Bears played the Bears would get trounced. The Boys offensive line was huge. The undersized Bears defense would get pushed around with ease.

[TheRook]

I'm gonna see what "Whatifsports.com" says...lol

btw...played 10 games in Miami and 10 games in chicago

Bears won 8 of the 10 home and away....

[wayne1218]

Where does it say that "Whatifsports.com" is fool proof and the answer? LOL

I'm going to MichaelIrvin.com and i'll get back to you with an answer too! LOL

[frankb03]

I think we also have to look at the Steeler teams in the 70s and the 49er teams in the 80s.

What about Green Bay in 1966? I was too young. I'm sure some older guys might be able to make an arguement for the Pack.

[wayne1218]

I think we also have to look at the Steeler teams in the 70s and the 49er teams in the 80s.

What about Green Bay in 1966? I was too young. I'm sure some older guys might be able to make an arguement for the Pack.

I agree frank and i mentioned those earlier as well.

[TheRook]

Where does it say that "Whatifsports.com" is fool proof and the answer? LOL

I'm going to MichaelIrvin.com and i'll get back to you with an answer too! LOL

LOL....yeah I know. But it's something...right?



92 cowboys vs 85 bears

In Chicago...bears won 5 Dallas won 4, and Dallas ran the ball for an average of 140 yards per game

In Dallas...bears won 7 of 10 and Dallas had an average of 124 yards per game.


Foolproof...no..but i'm up for suggestions?