Rook, Spark .......

[TheRook]

now THERE was a blast from the past.

How cocky were they? They did the song and the video BEFORE the super bowl.

Greatest team in history....85 Chicago Bears.

[frankb03]

now THERE was a blast from the past.

How cocky were they? They did the song and the video BEFORE the super bowl.

Greatest team in history....85 Chicago Bears.

At this point in the season the 2005 Bears have given up less points than the 85 Bears.

The 85 Bears had the greatest D in history. IMO they weren't the greatest team in history.

[TheRook]

At this point in the season the 2005 Bears have given up less points than the 85 Bears.

The 85 Bears had the greatest D in history. IMO they weren't the greatest team in history.

That first statement is CRAZY...but I know it's true...I can't believe how good they've been.


The second point is argumentitive...and I've LOVED debating that with people.

I just don't see any team from any decade coming in and beating the 85 Bears. They had it all...offense with the (debatable I know) best running back in the history of the game Walter Payton, defense, special teams....just everything.

Anyone can beat anyone on any given Sunday..but to me..in my opinion, the 85 bears were the best ever.

[frankb03]

My vote goes to the only unbeaten team in history. 17-0 Miami Dolphins.

They had a great offense, great QB, great running backs, great defense. People always talk about the Bears 85 defense. The Dolphins defense allowed less points per game than the 85 Bears.

[wayne1218]

I agree with frank. They had the best defense ever but i don't think they were the best team ever.

I think some of those early to mid 90's Dallas teams were loaded on both sides with Hall of Famers and they had the All Time leading rusher in his prime. The Steelers had some pretty good teams too along with S.F., and they too were complete on both sides of the ball with Hall of Famers everywhere.

I do think they had the best D and Baltimore proved you could win with that too but i think against those 3 teams above they would go (1-2), possibly (2-1) but i don't think so.

[wayne1218]

My vote goes to the only unbeaten team in history. 17-0 Miami Dolphins.

They had a great offense, great QB, great running backs, great defense. People always talk about the Bears 85 defense. The Dolphins defense allowed less points per game than the 85 Bears.

I forgot about them frank. They would be in the Top 2 for me as well!

[frankb03]

I think some of those early to mid 90's Dallas teams were loaded on both sides with Hall of Famers and they had the All Time leading rusher in his prime.

I hate to admit because I hate and hated the Cowboys but that team was stacked. Without question I think they had the greatest offensive line.

[TheRook]

CRAP.....I had a file saved with some interesting stats based on the Dolphins vs Bears....and when my computer crashed, it wiped teh file...

Gimme a few minutes. I think we could have a great discussion on this. I know where to look to find what i'm looking for online

[TheRook]

well, I found somewhat what I was looking for.....


Frank with all due respect, I believe you are incorrect in your statement regarding the points per game for the two teams.

The 72 dolphins gave up 289 pts all season...that's an average of 12.2 ppg based on the 17 games they played.

The 85 Bears gave up a total of 208 pts in 19 games, and that averages to 10.9 pts per game given up.


85 Bears also had a better offense where they scored an average of 28.7 points per game compared to Miami who only scored 22.1 ppg.


Consider, for example, that the Dolphins played one of the easiest schedules in modern NFL history -- the opposition had a combined winning percentage under .400 during the regular season (.372) They played only 5 teams all year including the playoffs with a winning record. The Bears on the other hand played a tougher schedule (.488 in the regular season) and played 8 teams including the playoffs with a better then .500 record. Unlike the 1985 Bears, the Dolphins didn't stroll through the playoffs. They beat the Steelers in the AFC title game by only four points, 21-17, and were underdogs going into the Super Bowl against the Redskins, who they defeated 14-7. Undefeated underdogs? That means you're not beaten, but you are beatable.

The Dolphins average margin of victory was 13.58 pts per game. They beat their opponents by less then double digits 6 times in 72. They shut out their opponents 3 times. In the playoffs their margin of victory was 5.67 pts.

The 85 Bears margin of victory was 17.84 pts per game (and that includes the -14 pts for their one loss) They beat their opponenents by less then double digits only 4 times. The average margin of victory for the Bears in the 85 playoffs was 27 points, including 2 shutouts of their 3 playoff opponents.

Did the Dolphins lose a game in 72? No...they sure didn't. But for anyone to say that they were better, to me...in my opinion is just fictional.

The stats don't lie.

[wayne1218]

Rook, What about the Cowboys?

[TheRook]

I don't know Wayne....I think they are right up there and probably better then the Dolphins...

But in
92 they were 13-3
93 they were 12-4
95 they were 12-4


Champions? Yes....

Dominant? Obviously no.

Not being biased I promise...lol

But the 85 Bears were just so dominant that I just don't think they would be beat....

[frankb03]

Frank with all due respect, I believe you are incorrect in your statement regarding the points per game for the two teams.

The 72 dolphins gave up 289 pts all season...that's an average of 12.2 ppg based on the 17 games they played.

The 85 Bears gave up a total of 208 pts in 19 games, and that averages to 10.9 pts per game given up.

I based my points per game on the regular season. During the regular season both teams stats were almost identical. Miami had two 1000 yard rushers. They also played most of the season with their backup QB, Earl Morrall.

The only points Washington scored in that SB was off a fumble by the kicker.

IMO it's hard to base this decision strictly off stats. The game was played in different eras. The bottom line. Only one team has gone undefeated. For me that is the determining factor.

BTW stats often lie. How many times has the team with better game stats lost?

[wayne1218]

I don't know Wayne....I think they are right up there and probably better then the Dolphins...

But in
92 they were 13-3
93 they were 12-4
95 they were 12-4


Champions? Yes....

Dominant? Obviously no.

Not being biased I promise...lol

But the 85 Bears were just so dominant that I just don't think they would be beat....

Well, if it's based on record than the Dolphins win hands down. They never lost. Do you not put any weight in the era or year when it happened? The Steelers had some tough Oakland and Dallas teams and Dallas had some stacked 49er and Buffalo teams to beat. I thought it was a fairly weak league that year. They played N.E. for the SB and being up here i can tell you, They were not that good. Tony Eason???? C'mon. It was a down year in 85 (imo) and the Bears took advantage of it.

[frankb03]

But the 85 Bears were just so dominant that I just don't think they would be beat....

But they were beat. The 1972 Dolphins were UNDEFEATED.

[frankb03]

I don't know Wayne....I think they are right up there and probably better then the Dolphins...

But in
92 they were 13-3
93 they were 12-4
95 they were 12-4

You are contridiction yourself. The Boys don't qualify because they lost a few games. Miami didn't lose any. You can't have it both ways.