What am I missing with all this Rainman shit?

[Kaptain]

garister

we are all praising rainman, cause unlike others he went a perfect 3-0 and just got bashed all weekend..who else went 3-0 and called all dogs that had eveyone all over the Fav?

yes some called Rams or Bills or Balt but NONE had all three

I'm pretty sure Cover Boy did---check it out---kapt

[Kaptain]

Guys---please pay attention to what you read, and don't read into what you think..........

Rainman is indeed arrogant/cocky (by his own admission..........

His 49-4 record was questioned (not verifiable)

He was banned for putting up his addy (2 days).....so was our good member FrankB03 a while back---so the rule applies to all...not just newbies....

Yes he was 3-0 on those games---so was Coverboy---EZ kicked ass....I lost my ass all week in NFL---2/7....

I questioned his arrogance by utilizing the words "lock""can't lose""sure winner" etc, as I always have, it smells of Service talk........

I asked him to tone it down---throw out his picks and record---let them do the talking......Some say arrogant (so what)---arrogance stirs up shit and animosities.........Nip it in the bud....

You're right---if you don't like his plays, don't go there...by the same token, if someone doesn't like me trying to keep him straight to prevent further animosities, then don't go there...

I love the fact that we all have opinions, and can express em, but I ask----pay attention to what you read---how it was posted---suggestion or bash---keep the 2 apart---retain what you read, comprehend what you read, then reply adequately and accurately....

He was not banned for arrogance, as to my knowledge, no one hads been, he was banned for showing his addy......as others have been.........

I congratulated him on his call---he's 3/0---that speaks for itself---he need not be arrogant or cocky----his picks will tell the story.....He is a contrarian picker (against the public) as our own CoverBoy is.....I've had an 11-0 streak in here, and I've had an 0/9 day......3 games does not constitute some kind of "Grand Master" status..........

For gods sake fellows, don't fret cause rainman has a 2 day suspension......when he comes back, all his followers can double up on his plays, and then we'el see where we stand......

Remember there is a difference in questioning ones post, making suggestions to one as to his style (so he may be readily accepted), than there is to "Bashing"...

Those of you who have no problem with arrogance, cockiness, fraudulent records (un verifiable)(smoke screens)---than so be it---you're entitled to it, I for one detest it, cause they are prelude attributes to prevarication....which (I feel) we don't need...

I will continue to question, suggest, try to guide, and sniff out frauds, until I am too banned....kapt

[seriousfan67]

well said kapt, i had a conv. with frank and a couple others last night basically just talking it out. but the guys in this thread are having a corinary about his being banned and not seeing why. yeah, i think he had a target on his back, especially with guys like mule, but he made it easy for them. hopefully he's more careful when he gets back and keeps picking winners.

[ezpickin]

Kapt (and others),

To the point of why he was banned, what is the harm in putting an email address here? Why is it so discouraged? I have formed many friendships from other posting sites and do not understand why this is a big deal anyway...care to enlighten?

[Kaptain]

seriousfan67

well said kapt, i had a conv. with frank and a couple others last night basically just talking it out. but the guys in this thread are having a corinary about his being banned and not seeing why. yeah, i think he had a target on his back, especially with guys like mule, but he made it easy for them. hopefully he's more careful when he gets back and keeps picking winners.

I appreciate your well said reply........you state "hopefully hes more careful when he comes back"...look back at my posts where he said he would take my advice and tone it down, I said so be it, we'el take it from here, and based on his new attitude I said "welcome"....what did he do---very next post "lock""sure winner""can't lose".........a true egotist can't be changed immediately---takes time........

I am just so concerned that so many our members appear to be in dire need of someone to pick their winners for em....I stated he's a "contrarian" player---anyone here can do the same---he got off good (3-0) but against the public plays has "Not" proven to be a long haul winner.........

you're right about the "target on his back"---I was one of the first to jump in there nad try to tone him down, I could see it coming.........He put that target on his back with arrogance and posting an unverifiable "fantastic""un believable" record......

Now (with your phraseology of "Target on his Back")---members may now see what arrogance breeds....

I wish him the best, as I do for all the members----I don't care if it's Wayne/Spark/ or Monte himself, if they would have posted in that manner, I would have questioned it the same way........

Thats who I am---people are what they are---no problem---we just have to learn the art of "agreeing on how to disagree"...with class/dignity/debate/suggestions/guidance---none of those are close to the definition of "Bashing"...

once again--thanks for a well posted un bias reply---best to ya...kapt

[rented mule]

well said kapt, i had a conv. with frank and a couple others last night basically just talking it out. but the guys in this thread are having a corinary about his being banned and not seeing why. yeah, i think he had a target on his back, especially with guys like mule, but he made it easy for them. hopefully he's more careful when he gets back and keeps picking winners.

Kudos to him for going 3-0 and I stand by my promise to apologize if he turns out to be a benefit to the board. My guess is he will not.

But in all aspects of life, I look at humility as a positive quality. There's no reason for anyone on this board (outside of the service section) to be touting records unless they're trying to sell something.

[Kaptain]

ezpickin

Kapt (and others),

To the point of why he was banned, what is the harm in putting an email address here? Why is it so discouraged? I have formed many friendships from other posting sites and do not understand why this is a big deal anyway...care to enlighten?

This has always been a strict and enforced rule--------

It's not my place to answer that one..............

Wayne/Spark/Monte---would you please reply for us.......you can more readily and accurately answer this---kapt

[KazDog]

I don't think he is the second coming, but feel that he was overly abused for posting winners. The same winners that Coverboy and EZ had, except they weren't torn apart and told how to act.

Maybe he did use lock or sure winner. By your admission this is service talk. Right? How many guys on here use the phrase Game Of The Year every weekend? Quite a few. IS THIS NOT SERVICE TALK TOO? Do they get told how to act and how to present themselves? NOPE. Do they get called out by more than one member. NOPE. Nobody even says a word when it loses.....

If this guy goes service, it's adios. I DON'T PAY FOR PICKS. But who cares what he says in his thread? So far, he's backed it up. Leave his ass alone I say.

My father always told me, it's OK to be a little cocky, as long as you back it up. And he did. I see him as a 'little' cocky. And to be honest with you, I'm still cautious and only made a small bet on his play last night.....

KAZ

[ChuckLazar]

Kapt (and others),

To the point of why he was banned, what is the harm in putting an email address here? Why is it so discouraged? I have formed many friendships from other posting sites and do not understand why this is a big deal anyway...care to enlighten?

If you want someone email all you have to do is contact Spark or Monte and he will give it out.....I believe they do this so people here can keep their privacy and not have every Tom , Dick and Harry sending stuff the others.....What would you do if someone posted your email addy on the net and you got viruses sent to you from people that are assholes.
Think about it.

[KazDog]

One more note....I understand why he was banned and didn't have a problem with that.

I do have a problem with how this guy Diesel has nothing good to say about anyone, yet he gets to go on his merry way. If you want to say people need to act with class and dignity here, then this guy surely hasn't shown much. One guy is torn apart for posting winners and saying 'lock' and gets creamed for it. The other guy calls everyone asshole and calls people out, and no one bothers to say anything about......

Which of the two has less class????

[ChuckLazar]

One more note....I understand why he was banned and didn't have a problem with that.

I do have a problem with how this guy Diesel has nothing good to say about anyone, yet he gets to go on his merry way. If you want to say people need to act with class and dignity here, then this guy surely hasn't shown much. One guy is torn apart for posting winners and saying 'lock' and gets creamed for it. The other guy calls everyone asshole and calls people out, and no one bothers to say anything about......

Which of the two has less class????

Believe me, he won't be around long if he continues...

[larryonion]

How I look at it...

I think guys got on him because he posted an ridiculous unverifiable record (had him hitting at 92%) which he removed and replaced with a signature claiming expected win rates of 83% for "crushers" and 65% for normal plays. What the people some are referring to as bashers were trying to do was to protect people who are new to gambling who think that hitting 83% of your plays over a season is possible. They also took issue with him posting a record that could not be verified. Anyway - their point is that anyone can post, just don't post BS records. That is how services suck people in. I was new to gambling once and got taken by a services claims and I have three years of credit card payments before I got out of the hole to prove it. So I appreciate what some of the regulars were doing, trying to protect people. If rainman comes back and has his 3-0 record posted, great, I seriously doubt anyone will give him a hard time. If he still has unsubstantiated claims is his signature like 49-4 or 83% wins expected, then he is only bringing it on himself. And to anyone who thinks your going to follow anyone who hits at 80% regularly over the season like I once did, I hope you do not have to learn the truth the hard way like I did. That’s it for me, I am going back to making money with moondog’s tennis plays now.

[Spark]

WHEW!!! Lots of opinions in here ... Now for the facts .,..

Yes, he was part of a service .....
Yes, he did have a website for a couple of weeks
Yes, he is banned for 2 days for leaving addy

I have said this many times before Wayne and I will take care of things in here .. we do not need 10 guys bashing everyone else ... of course we are going to get opinions on both sides ...
We have a few x-services posting here and we have no problem with them ... His problem was him posting that ridiculous record ...

[Kaptain]

KazDog

I don't think he is the second coming, but feel that he was overly abused for posting winners. The same winners that Coverboy and EZ had, except they weren't torn apart and told how to act.

Maybe he did use lock or sure winner. By your admission this is service talk. Right? How many guys on here use the phrase Game Of The Year every weekend? Quite a few. IS THIS NOT SERVICE TALK TOO? Do they get told how to act and how to present themselves? NOPE. Do they get called out by more than one member. NOPE. Nobody even says a word when it loses.....

If this guy goes service, it's adios. I DON'T PAY FOR PICKS. But who cares what he says in his thread? So far, he's backed it up. Leave his ass alone I say.

My father always told me, it's OK to be a little cocky, as long as you back it up. And he did. I see him as a 'little' cocky. And to be honest with you, I'm still cautious and only made a small bet on his play last night.....

KAZ

I appreciate your reply and opinion----

Yes EZ and Coverboy had the same winners---but, they did not show an un documented 92 % winning record, nor were they cocky....

yes we do have some members here that use the words GOY---GOW---Including Wayne himself---but these people have thousands od posts, we know they're not selling anything, and their record is documented here....

Do they get called out---constantly---some one is on someones ass in this Forum, thus they grow ***** Skins and fire back----options of the Forum to speak your piece..

You're Father gave you good advice as to being a "little" cocky as long as you back it up....I would prefer the word confident---theres a difference.....Also a difference in a "Lil" cocky and "arrogant"....The only 2 people I know that were overly confident, cocky, and arrogant were Joe Namath, and Muhamid Ali---both backed it up, and a big portion of that was to Hype up their sport (sell it to the public)...by both of ems admission.......

You say leave his ass alone---I respect your stand and opinion on that---leave his ass alone about what...His picks...I never questioned em....His arrogance---I detest it.....His posting a 92 % record and stating he's gonna hit 83 %, I will jump on anyone who comes in here and does that....

I agree to leave his ass alone (re his picks) thats his choice, and thats what we're here for.....But to leave him alone for his statements....No way my man..I stated earlier it could be Wayne/Spark/Momte or yourself, when you come in here and make those statement, I will be there to rebutt em...

You also state he was overly abused for "posting winners"---not by me----I, as you say, abused him for false statements and arrogance>>>I rerpeat an earlier thread, understand what you read, I never questioned his picks, even wished him well, asked himn to tone it down, said he would, then he enhanced his arrogance/cockiness.....

If you're referring to other members that questioned his pick, state so, as their name is all over their posts, I never did.....

I respect your honesty and opinion on this matter, you have a good day.......kapt

[Kaptain]

Spark

WHEW!!! Lots of opinions in here ... Now for the facts .,..

Yes, he was part of a service .....
Yes, he did have a website for a couple of weeks
Yes, he is banned for 2 days for leaving addy

I have said this many times before Wayne and I will take care of things in here .. we do not need 10 guys bashing everyone else ... of course we are going to get opinions on both sides ...
We have a few x-services posting here and we have no problem with them ... His problem was him posting that ridiculous record ...

SPARK--well said my man---No doubt you guys will handle thigs in the proper fashion as you always do..

Theres a difference in bashing, versus questioning, suggesting, or trying to guide (the guideless)........

The problem I see here, is some of our own members here have a problem interpreting the english language (what is posted, and how they perceive) that statement........It's easy to read a paragraph, get part way through it, and form an opinion before the whole concept is read..........

That in turn, turns into another bad interpretaion as to what was said..........I never questioned his picks, I questioned his record, and touched base on his arogance.......Quite firmly....

That is me....Presentation (as I've always stated) sets the tone....He put that target on his back with his "Touting" presentation..............

I will cease my comments regarding this assanine situation regarding rainman007..........I won't waste my, your, or the Forums time with it any more........Time will tell........Hang down your head "Tom Dooley"......

You and the other Mods have always got things straight, and you will again............Thats why this is the best Forum around......kaptain