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    The worst 'bad beat' of the MLB season
    Stephen Nover

    It’s not pleasant backing the Colorado Rockies as a $2.10 underdog against the San Diego Padres - especially when they blow the game in extra innings, which is what happened Wednesday.

    But that piece of misfortune was nothing compared to those who bet over the total in the Texas Rangers-Oakland Athletics game Wednesday afternoon. It’s only the beginning of May, but those poor gamblers already can stake claim for suffering what very well could be the worst "bad beat" of the entire season.

    The over/under on the Rangers-A’s game was nine. By the fifth inning 12 batters had already crossed home plate. The final: Texas 16, Oakland 7.

    Easy win for the over bettors, right? Not quite.

    In the bottom of the ninth inning, the umpires halted the game because it started drizzling. After a scant 34 minute wait, the umpires called the game. Those who bet the Rangers won, of course, because it was an official game.

    Over/unders, however, are graded differently. The game must be entirely completed for there to be action, meaning for their bets to be in play and valid. It’s the same with runline wagering, in which you bet on the 1 1/2-run spread.

    For betting purposes, the total was graded a push. No action. Everybody who bet the over/under received a refund.

    Professional gambler Dave Malinsky was one person who wagered on the over.

    “The rule doesn’t have any logic,” he said. “The guys who bet over clearly won. The guys who bet under clearly lost.

    “I can understand the side because there is a chance something could happen. But once a game goes over the total it can’t go back and go under. Once it’s there, it’s there.”

    The light rain didn’t stop the horses from running at Bay Meadows in nearby San Mateo. But in Oakland it was enough for the umpiring crew of Jeff Nelson, Bill Miller, Joe Brinkman and Derryl Cousins to call the game prematurely. Can’t have a bunch of overpaid millionaires get wet now can we?

    “I can understand the umpires saying one team’s up by nine runs let’s just go home,” Malinsky said. “But it was a day game and neither team played the next day (Thursday). So they had all the time in the world.”

    This isn’t to say the A’s would have dramatically rallied. But just two days ago on Monday night the St. Louis Cardinals scored seven runs in the ninth inning to edge Cincinnati, 10-9.

    “If I’m Oakland I don’t care if I’m down nine runs, I want to take a free shot to win the game,” Malinsky said.

    You win your bet by 14 runs and can’t cash your ticket.

    “Our house rules have been the same,” said Rick Reinhart, a sportsbook supervisor at the Stardust Hotel. “It’s been like that for years and has never been changed. It goes both ways.”

    One bettor who did wager on the under in the Rangers-A’s game said he was luckier than the British at Dunkirk.

    Malinsky and others who bet the over weren’t in such a humorous mood. They believe the rule should be changed.

    Vinny Magliulo, long-time former sportsbook director at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas and now head sportsbook man at the new Wynn Las Vegas hotel, said the rule has been around for ages.

    “There are those types of situations that come up in baseball,” Magliulo said. “It’s a bad beat. But it works in reverse, too. In the long run it probably balances out.”

    It’s difficult for a sportsbook operator in Las Vegas to change long-standing betting rules because the Nevada Gaming Control Board has specific criteria for following rules. It’s not worth the hassle for Vegas bookmakers to start up with Gaming or risk getting on their bad side.

    Internet bookmakers, though, have no such restrictions. They should do what’s fair. It shouldn’t be a big deal to change their baseball rule regarding complete game over/unders, posting it on their site where it’s clearly visible. Let this Rangers-A’s game be the impetus.

    It’s hard enough to win a bet. You shouldn’t get unnecessarily screwed if you handicapped the game correctly.
    RED LIGHT UP THAT CIGAR

  • #2
    I agree!!! That would have sucked!! Glad I didn't play it or something would have been broken!!

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    • #3
      I agree 100%. However, Malinski has to realize that the umpires aren't focusing on whether someone wins or loses his totals bet in making their decision whether to resume the game or not;he is looking at it from a bettor's point of view only, and his statements show it.
      The umpires are looking at the score, the weather condtions and whether it makes sense to continue or wait longer;in terms of the umpires only, they probably made the right decison.
      Of course had I played the over, I would have pissed off also, but I think had I thought about it longer, I would have understood their reasoning.
      I do agree with Malinski that the rule must be changed so that he and others would have cashed their over bets.

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      • #4
        what comes around goes around.............I had SD against the rockies and needed very much for them to pull it out in extra innings but I had the overs in Texas game and already put a big "W" by it. I was a little suprise to find out that when I called my local book the next day it was a push. I have been betting for 20 years and I cant believe that was the first time that has happen to me on a over-under bet.

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        • #5
          While it seems unfair those are the rules and Total players are aware of those rules. Sportbooks won't change the rule. It'll give OVER players an advantage.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by frankb03
            While it seems unfair those are the rules and Total players are aware of those rules. Sportbooks won't change the rule. It'll give OVER players an advantage.
            How does it give under players an advantage?
            By my way of thinking, if you have the under, and the game is not completed, then it doesn't count.
            However, if it is an official game and it is over the total, then it should count.
            The only advantage as I see it goes to Vegas, the offshore or the local. Don't they have a big enough advantage already?

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            • #7
              By your way of thinking savage, it does give the OVER player an advantage because the only time these total plays would count is when the game is Over the total when it is called. The over players win and the under players lose. But if the game was still under the total when called, do the under players win and the over players lose. No, it's no action.

              Under players will never win a total play and Over players would never lose a total play that dosen't go the full 9 innings if the rule was changed. That's why the rule will never change.

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              • #8
                Sandman-you have a valid point.
                Therefore, I would simply change the rule period and use the same philosophy that they do when they call a game is official-whatever the official final score is no matter how innings are played should also determine the over/under.
                If the game is called after 7 innings and the score is 6-4, and the over/under is 9 1/2, overs win and unders lose.
                If it is 6-2, unders win and overs lose.
                Conversely, if you are not going to count a winner of an over/under if a full game is not played, then you should not count the winner of the game itself unless 9 innings no matter what the baseball rules themselves say about the winner.
                Thus in above example the team that wins 6-4 in a game called after 7 innings should be a no bet for betting purposes, because who knows whether the team trailing would have gone on to win if the game had not been called.
                In short, the betting rules with over/unders and the game itself are very inconsistent.
                This needs to change.

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                • #9
                  Ya win some, ya lose some and some them get rained out. Tough miss if ya bet the over, but shit happens. The umps don't give a shit what the line is or how many degenerate gamblers bet which way. They took into consideration the conditions, the score, the inning, the risk of injury to the millionaires, missing their flight, dinner being cold or the restaurant being closed, etc. Gettem' tomorrow.
                  "33"

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