"sudden Death" Proves Fatal For Dawg"

[bountyhunter]

UNDERDOG CHARLES HOWELL SUCCUMED IN "SUDDEN DEATH" LATE TODAY TO FAVORITE MIKE WEIR.

IN ONE OF THE MOST DRAMATIC COMEBACKS EVER WITNESSED, WEIR, WINNER OF THE "BOB HOPE" CLASSIC AND A VEGAS -140 FAVORITE, OVERCAME A HUGE LAST ROUND DEFICIT TO WIN THE
"NISSAN OPEN" AT RIVERIA.

NICK PRICE AND K.J. CHOI, BOTH OF WHOM WERE PLAYING WITH HOWELL, SAID THE 23-YEAR-OLD YOUNGSTER HAD A BAD CASE OF NERVES AS HE HAD ONLY 1 BIRDIE ON THE LAST 9 HOLES, WHILE WEIR HAD 3.

THE PLAYOFF WENT TWO HOLES AND IT LOOKED AS IF HOWELL, WHO HAD BEEN PLAYING THE 10TH HOLE POORLY, WAS GOING TO AGAIN MAKE A BOGEY WHEN HIS DRIVE WENT INTO A SAND TRAP ALMOST 30 YARDS AWAY FROM A PIN TUCKED 3 YARDS ONTO THE GREEN FROM HIS POV.

HOWEVER, HE BLASTED THE BALL TO WITHIN 6 FEET OF THE PIN AND LOOKED AS IF HE HAD NAILED THE NISSAN. WEIR HAD A 9-FOOT PUTT AND DRAINED IT.

HOWELL, WITH THE SHORTER PUTT, PULLED IT LEFT, MISSING ONE OF THE FIRST PUTTS OF THE TOURNAMENT INSIDE 6 FEET.

WEIR'S COMEBACK WAS NOT AS DRAMATIC AS HOWELLS LOSE OF COMPOSURE. WITH A 7-STROKE ADVANTAGE GOING INTO THE FINAL NINE, IT APPEARED AS IF PRICE MIGHT BE THE ONE TO WIN AS HOWELL FAILED TO BIRDIE EVEN THE LONG PAR 5'S DOWN THE STRETCH.

IN A MOMENT WE WILL CHECK OUR EMAILS TO SEE WHO PREDICTED HOWELLS FINAL SCORE.

BEST,

THE BOUNTY HUNTER

[BettorsChat]

They both shot 275 so that is a loss for Howell bettors and a win for Weir bettors?

[bountyhunter]

BEFORE I ANSWER THE ADMINISTRATORS QUESTION OF THE SCORE BEING 275, AND SINCE THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED IN ANY OF OUR PICKS, WHEREIN THE TWO "MATCHUP" PLAYERS TIED AT THE END OF REGULATION PLAY, I HAVE SOMEONE RESEARCHING THAT ASPECT OF THE FINISH.

FOR THOSE WHO ENTERED OUR CONTEST FOR A YEARS FREE PICKS, NOT ONE ENTRY POSTED 275!

I WAS PREPARED TO GIVE FREE PICKS FOR A FULL YEAR.

I HAVE GUESSES FROM 268 TO 281. NOT ONE EMAIL AT 275.

KEEP IN MIND THAT THE EXTRA HOLES ("PLAYOFF", "SUDDEN DEATH") ARE NOT COUNTED IN GOLF SCORING AS IS IN OVERTIME FOR BASKETBALL AND FOOTBALL.

VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!

A GOLF SCORE IS WHAT IS POSTED AT THE END OF 72 HOLES AND ALTHOUGH WE HAD PREDICTIONS ALL AROUND 275, NOT ONE PICKED IT AS AN EMAIL ENTRY. THUS WE DID NOT ADD ON THE TWO EXTRA HOLES FOR THE CONTEST. 275 WAS THE FINAL SCORE.

IT WAS PICKED AS ONE OF THE TOP 5 IN THE POLL.

BUT THOSE WHO JUST VOTED IN THE POLL AND FAILED TO FOLLOW THE INTRUCTIONS TO GO TO THE SITE AT BETTORSTALK.COM FOR MY EMAIL ADDRESS AND MORE HINTS ON WHAT COULD BE THE FINISHING SCORE, JUST FAILED TO EMAIL ME.

BACK IN A MOMENT. CHECKING VEGAS RULES ON "SUDDEN DEATH" PLAYOFF PAYOFF OR LOSS.

I KNOW THE ANSWER FOR 3 PEOPLE IN A PLAYOFF. BUT NEVER HAVE I HAD TO PICK 2 MEN OUT OF 145 ENTRIES AND BOTH END UP IN A PLAYOFF!

BEST,
THE BOUNTY HUNTER

[BettorsChat]

"BACK IN A MOMENT. CHECKING VEGAS RULES ON "SUDDEN DEATH" PLAYOFF PAYOFF OR LOSS."

It's a loss as I just found out a few minutes ago. I wasn't counting in the sudden death rounds.

[bountyhunter]

AS I SAID, I KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE FOR 3 PLAYERS IN A PLAYOFF. HERE ARE THOSE RULES.

YOUR PLAYER MUST TEE OFF FOR ACTION. ONCE YOUR PLAYER TEES OFF, YOU HAVE ACTION.

IF PLAYERS ARE INVOLVED IN A 3-WAY (OR MORE) PLAYOFF, EITHER GOLFER MUST WIN THE PLAYOFF TO WIN THE MATCHUP, OTHERWISE ITS A REFUND.

IF PLAYERS HAVE COMPLETED THE SAME NUMBER OF HOLES, LOWEST SCORE WINS. RESULTS BASED ON OFFICIAL SCORES.
THE OFFICIAL SCORE IS BASED ON 72 HOLES...NOT EXTRA ONES.

MY FIRST POINT I AM GOING TO MAKE WHEN I CALL IS : WHY IS THERE NO MENTION OF 2 PLAYERS? THE SAME TWO PLAYERS ORIGINALLY IN THE MATCHUP?

WHY MUST 3 PLAYERS BE IN A MATCHUP FOR A WINNER TO BE DETERMINED?

BOTH PLAYERS COMPLETED THE SAME NUMBER OF HOLES.

OFFICIAL SCORES ARE THOSE POSTED. SUDDEN DEATH SCORES ARE NOT "OFFICIALLY" A PART OF THE RECORD.

THAT MUCH I KNOW. FOR THOSE WHO MISSED WHAT BROUGHT ABOUT THE QUESTIONS ABOUT "SUDDEN DEATH", LET ME JUST SAY BOTH PLAYERS ENDED THEIR ROUNDS AT 275.

NO OTHER PLAYER JOINED THEM. HENCE THERE WAS NO "3rd PLAYER." I AM WORKING ON IT. KNOWING HOW THE CASINO'S HERE BEND THE RULES IN THEIR FAVOR, I HAVE WRITTEN EVIDENCE THIS TIME....BUT I WOULD BE ANYONE A 10 SPOT I LOSE THIS ARGUMENT, DESPITE THE FACT THE CASINO PRINTED THE ODDS AND LEFT OFF 2 PLAYERS!

BEST,

THE BOUNTY HUNTER

[bountyhunter]

HERE IS WHAT HAPPENED FOR THOSE JUST JOINING.

OFFICIALLY THE END WAS 275.

FROM THE PGA TOUR

Nissan Open

Nissan Open playoff play-by-play

Charles Howell III and Mike Weir finished regulation tied at 9-under 275.

First playoff hole: No. 18


First shot:
Mike Weir: Tee shot lands in fairway.
Charles Howell III: Tee shot lands in left rough.


Second shot:
Charles Howell III: Approach shot lands on green.
Mike Weir: Approach shot lands on green.


Third shot:
Charles Howell III: Putt just misses pin.
Mike Weir: Putt stops inches from hole.


Fourth shot:
Charles Howell III: Makes putt.
Mike Weir: Makes putt. They move to No. 10


Second playoff hole: No. 10


First shot:
Mike Weir: Tee shot lands in fairway.
Charles Howell III: Tee shot lands in bunker.


Second shot:
Mike Weir: Approach shot lands on the green.
Charles Howell III: Shot lands on the green.


Third shot:
Mike Weir: Makes birdie putt.
Charles Howell III: Misses birdie putt. Weir wins tournament (READ TOURNAMENT...NOT MATCHUP)

STILL TALKING TO CASINOS.

BEST,
THE BOUNTY HUNTER

[bountyhunter]

HELLO AGAIN,

THANKS TO EVERYONE, INCLUDING THE ADMINISTRATOR FOR HIS HELP.

LET ME LET YOU IN.....

FIRST, THIS WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE PUBLIC INFORMATION BUT THERE ARE LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS RESTING ON THE
"OFFICIAL OUTCOME."

I AM NOT IN DISAGREEMENT WITH THE ADMINISTRATOR ABOUT SUDDEN DEATH AND THE WINNER.

MY AGNST COMES FROM THE WAY THE RULES (WHICH I DID NOT WRITE ARE WRITTEN.)

"IF PLAYERS ARE INVOLVED IN A 3-WAY (OR MORE) PLAYOFF, EITHER GOLFER MUST WIN (THE 3-WAY-PLAYOFF) ...OR ITS A REFUND."

NOW IF WE FOLLOW THAT TO A TEE...NO PUN INTENDED, THEN WE HAVE A REFUND BECAUSE THE CASINO FAILED TO ENTER INFORMATION OF A "2-WAY-MATCHUP."

I HAVE A "TELEPHONE ACCOUNT" AND THE MONEY WAGERED HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT. UNLIKE A BOOK, THE CASINO'S WORK WITH HUNDREDS OF BETTORS WHO DON'T CARE TO DRIVE DOWN TO THE "STRIP."

GIVEN THAT ACTION, I WOULD SAY "WELL, WE LOST." BUT, WHAT WOULD THE NEVADA GAMING REGULATORS SAY?

THEY HAVE STRICT RULES THEY ENFORCE. IF IT ISN'T WRITTEN DOWN, IT CANNOT BE UP FOR "INTERPRETATION" BY EITHER THE BETTOR OR THE CASINO.

IN THIS CASE, THE CASINO LEFT OUT AN OBVIOUS "WHAT IF."

IT IS NOT LOSING THAT HAS ME TICKED OFF, ITS THE WAY THE CASINO, AS I PREDICTED THEY WOULD, "BEND THE RULES" TO FIT THEIR COMFORT ZONE.

TURN IT AROUND. SUPPOSE HOWELL HAD WON. IT WOULD BE MY OPINION THAT IT IS A "PUSH." WHY?

BECAUSE THERE IS NO LANGUAGE IN THE "MATCH-UP" RULES DEALING WITH 2 PLAYERS!!

SINCE THIS IS SUNDAY, THE N.G.C. IS CLOSED. I WILL ENCLOSE THE CASINO'S OWN RULES AND REGS IN A CERTIFIED LETTER.

WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER OFFSHORE.

BUT I WOULD THINK THEY MUST POST THEIR RULES TOO.

IN VEGAS, EVERYTHING FROM BLACKJACK TO KENO IS IN BLACK AND WHITE. ALL THEY HAD TO DO TO WAS SAY" IF PLAYERS ARE INVOLVED IN A 2-WAY (OR MORE) PLAYOFF, EITHER GOLFER MUST WIN THE PLAYOFF TO WIN THE MATCH-UP.

HOW SIMPLE IS THAT?

BY THE WAY. NONE OF THE SPORTS BOOK DIRECTORS HAVE A CLUE. TELL YOU A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT THEY KNOW
ABOUT GOLF?

BEST,
B.H.

[bountyhunter]

SORRY, FOR SOME REASON THIS MESSAGE, A DUPLICATE OF THE ABOVE, GOT POSTED. WHAT THE...I"LL MAIL IT TO THE COMMISSIONERS OF THE NEVADA GAMING REGULATING COMMISSION.

THANKS TO EVERYONE, INCLUDING THE ADMINISTRATOR FOR HIS HELP.

LET ME LET YOU IN.....

FIRST, THIS WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE PUBLIC INFORMATION BUT THERE ARE LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS RESTING ON THE
"OFFICIAL OUTCOME."

I AM NOT IN DISAGREEMENT WITH THE ADMINISTRATOR ABOUT SUDDEN DEATH.

MY AGNST COMES FROM THE WAY THE RULES ON SUDDEN DEATH(WHICH I DID NOT WRITE) ARE WRITTEN.

"IF PLAYERS ARE INVOLVED IN A 3-WAY (OR MORE) PLAYOFF, EITHER GOLFER MUST WIN (THE 3-WAY-PLAYOFF) ...OR ITS A REFUND."

NOW IF WE FOLLOW THAT TO A TEE...NO PUN INTENDED, THEN WE HAVE A REFUND BECAUSE THE CASINO FAILED TO ENTER INFORMATION OF A "2-WAY-MATCHUP."

I HAVE A "TELEPHONE ACCOUNT" AND THE MONEY WAGERED HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT. UNLIKE A BOOK, THE CASINO'S WORK WITH HUNDREDS OF BETTORS WHO DON'T CARE TO DRIVE DOWN TO THE "STRIP."

GIVEN THAT ACTION, I WOULD SAY "WELL, WE LOST." BUT, WHAT WOULD THE NEVADA GAMING REGULATORS SAY?

THEY HAVE STRICT RULES THEY ENFORCE. IF IT ISN'T WRITTEN DOWN, IT CANNOT BE UP FOR "INTERPRETATION" BY EITHER THE BETTOR OR THE CASINO.

IN THIS CASE, THE CASINO LEFT OUT AN OBVIOUS "WHAT IF."

IT IS NOT LOSING THAT HAS ME TICKED OFF, ITS THE WAY THE CASINO, AS I PREDICTED THEY WOULD, "BEND THE RULES" TO FIT THEIR COMFORT ZONE.

TURN IT AROUND. SUPPOSE HOWELL HAD WON. IT WOULD BE MY OPINION THAT IT IS A "PUSH." WHY?

BECAUSE THERE IS NO LANGUAGE IN THE "MATCH-UP" RULES DEALING WITH 2 PLAYERS!! I WOULD ALSO BET YOU I WOULD NOT BE PAID!

SINCE THIS IS SUNDAY, THE N.G.C. IS CLOSED. I WILL ENCLOSE THE CASINO'S OWN RULES AND REGS IN A CERTIFIED LETTER.

WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER OFFSHORE.

BUT I WOULD THINK THEY MUST POST THEIR RULES TOO.

IN VEGAS, EVERYTHING FROM BLACKJACK TO KENO IS IN BLACK AND WHITE. ALL THEY HAD TO DO TO WAS SAY" IF PLAYERS ARE INVOLVED IN A 2-WAY (OR MORE) PLAYOFF, EITHER GOLFER MUST WIN THE PLAYOFF TO WIN THE MATCH-UP.

HOW SIMPLE IS THAT?

BY THE WAY. NONE OF THE SPORTS BOOK DIRECTORS HAVE A CLUE. TELL YOU A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT THEY KNOW
ABOUT GOLF?

BEST,
B.H.

[Fred]

Got this off of Pinnacle. Explains it pretty clearly:


In the event a tournament does not go the specified number of completed holes (usually 72), and the tournament is shortened by tournament officials, the leader at the end of the number of holes determined to be official by tournament officials shall be the winner.
Example: A tournament is scheduled for 72 holes, but only 54 holes can be played because of weather. The leader at the end of 54 holes would be declared the winner of the tournament.

In the event that two (or more) golfers are tied for the lead at the end of regulation play, a sudden death playoff is normally used to determine the winner of the tournament. In this case, the winner of the playoff is the winner for betting purposes.
Example: Smith and Lee are tied at the end of regulation play, and a sudden death playoff is declared. Smith scores a 4 on the first playoff hole, and Lee scores a 5. Smith is the winner of the tournament, and Lee is awarded a 2nd place finish.

In some tournaments, tournament officials may have the individuals play a specified number of holes to determine the tournament winner. In this case, the golfer with the lowest score after the specified number of holes have been completed shall be declared the winner, and 2nd, 3rd, etc would be determined by the scores of the remaining golfers.

Golf Match-ups:
In head to head match-ups, both golfers must tee off in order to have action. If both players tee off, the golfer with the most completed holes is the winner of the match-up; if both players complete the same number of holes, the one with the lower score is the winner.

Example: Match-up money-line:

Lee -120

Smith +100

If Lee and Smith both tee off for the tournament in question, the above match-up is "in action". If both golfers fail to make the cut to advance to the final rounds of play, the golfer with the lower score wins.

Suppose Lee completes 36 holes with a score of +8; Smith completes 36 holes with a score of +9. In this case, Lee wins the match-up since he has a lower score than Smith does.

If Lee and Smith complete regulation play, and each has a score of -3, the match-up would be a tie, and monies refunded, except in the case where Lee and Smith were tied for 1st place at the end of regulation play (in which case a sudden death playoff would be used to determine the winner).


Golf Three-Way Matchups (Three-Balls):

Wagers on three-way golf matchups, known as "three-balls", will be decided by the lowest score after one full round of play. A full round is complete when 18 holes have been completed.

If a player who has started withdraws before completing 18 holes, he is deemed a loser regardless of the score. A player has started once he tees off on the first hole. If any player withdraws before starting, all bets on all players in his group are cancelled.

In the event of starting groups being rearranged, bets will be settled on the original groups.



Breaking Ties:

In case of a tie for the low score in three-ball matches, we use the European dead heat rule:

1) If two golfers tie for the best score, a bet on either of these golfers will be settled and paid as follows: Half the bet (lay amount) is paid off at the quoted price, and half the bet loses. A bet on the golfer who finishes last is a losing bet.

2) If all three golfers tie for the best score, a bet on any of these golfers will be settled and paid as follows: One-third of the bet (lay amount) is paid off at the quoted price, and two-thirds of the bet loses.


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[BettorsChat]

Golf Match-ups:

"If Lee and Smith complete regulation play, and each has a score of -3, the match-up would be a tie, and monies refunded, except in the case where Lee and Smith were tied for 1st place at the end of regulation play (in which case a sudden death playoff would be used to determine the winner)."

This is the key to the bet being a loss.