Mr Fade

[misspiggy]

Fade please give me your email so I can send it to you. Don't want to do site bashing. I doubt if Bettorschat appreciates it.


My point is with the Internet all gamblers have access to many sites with information like public information. But, I ask you why the hell would these sportsbooks provide such information if it was going to hurt them? The obvious answer is because it doesn't hurt them. So one must conclude the information they provide must be false or insignificant. My local is thinking of closing his shop down. I sorta agree with his beliefs that these days oddsmakers set lines to bury faders as well as the public and if not more. If we know about fading, don't you think Vegas knows about it? Of course they do and they make sure they take their money as well.

Sportsbooks don't fear faders , but even still they would never provide information of what is happening "inside" their sportsbook. These days with everyone and their grandma knowing about it, fading is just another tool no better than a trend. Because any square gambler can go see a public side and fade it. Do you really think it'd be that easy? Hell no. On every message board I go to there's always a boat load of faders thinking they're ready to out smart Vegas. All you see is quotes like, "Noway Vegas loses this game." Monday night it was crazy what I was reading. "People are pounding Green Bay. Vegas will not lose first Monday Night game. Panthers have to cover or casinos will drown." I just laugh and laugh. Casinos will get buried? LOL. A sport event means nothing to a Vegas Casino. Cause if they're losing the Monday Night game they are making 50 fold on the tables and slots. That's why I am not a fan of fading anymore cause I have realized that any square can do it and more importantly Vegas casinos really don't care what the hell happens. Gamblers think Vegas sits there nervously like we do. LOL. They don't and John Q public sure in hell wont beat them by simply putting a few minutes into a game fading. If it was that easy then we'd be onto something huge. Because its much easier to fade than to cap a game. Fading is easy and quick. Just find out where public is and go the other way.

[Homer]

misspiggy

I agree Fading will do the same in the long run as playing with the public. Maybe a little better or maybe a little worse. It's about learning the game of sports investing and playing on the rightside. Fade or no fade, public or no public really doesn't matter.

GL.

[BettorsChat]

I don't believe the info on those sites is correct either. No sportsbook would give out that info to the general public IMO.

[Tony Vegas]

Originally posted by BettorsChat
I don't believe the info on those sites is correct either. No sportsbook would give out that info to the general public IMO.

Good point BC!

[bgh2003]

I agree that simple fading is an unsophisticated and unprofitable approach to gambling. However, it's wise to monitor public line movements in the professional point spread sports (NFL & NBA), and use them to judge the quality of your own selections. The public tends to get murdered in these sports, especially the NBA. Bookies live for the NBA!

A handicapper with whom I am acquainted has a simple system for the NBA: Monitor the line movements in the last hour before a game. If the line moves more than a point on a side, bet the opposite way. Obviously, he watches what the rubes are betting in the sportsbooks, then gets on the Vegas side of the money. Surprisingly, he does pretty well.

[Kaptain]

Line movement is to be taken in consideration, and consideration only when determining your picks...Using line movement solely as your source of picks could be devastating...Line movement has strong significance when you can pinpoint the following...

Early movement---immediately when lines are out, indicates "Smart Money"---wise guys--Parlance Specialists, etc..

Middle movement usually indicates the publics opinion...

Late money---1 hour befor game starts- is usually as the same shown in Early movement...

Now If one could find out "Who" made the moves happen, they would be worth a lot....Numerous reports, and people trying to sell their wares, will supply you a consensus report---line movement---% on so and so, but you never know if this is Smart Money, Public, or the 2 combined...No Sportsbook will tell you that, which is why they frown, fire, and no telling whatever they do, to employees secretly passing out info to the Smart Money Moves...

A Service ploy is "I have a source inside one of the major sportsbooks who tell me where the money is going"...They have no idea...

I've found out that % is public, $ is Parlance players, but then again, what is the accuracy of the report????

And finally, don't put it past the Sportsbooks to alter, put out other than factual moves, to enhance their lines/pockets....Billion $ Industry, there are no rules, If you don't get caught...

I simply Ignore line moves, they are not 1 of my 11 attributes to pick a game...All the above is my opinion only, and I'm not a professional gambler, just a guy trying to have fun, out fox the bookies, and make a lil money....

Everyone do as they must, and LOL to all, however you do it...kmann

[misspiggy]

I have to agree with Kmann BGH2003. I used to follow a pretty sharp player who woud go opposite line moves. He started getting killed two years ago. Before that he was awesome. Going versus line movements is DANGEROUS because NO ONE has any idea why the moves and who's betting to manuever the lines. And Kmann is so damn right, sportsbooks always move lines to give out false alarms as to where the money is going. I remember last year when Jets and Bills were playing. The entire world bet the Bills but the line kept on favoring the Bills all the way to game time. That's why a sportsbook would never ever dare tell you what's going on in the inside UNLESS they are using it to MAKE MONEY FOR THEMSELVES. Which means they are providing you information to make you LOSE money NOT win money. I have seen so many instances where these places who claim they're providing us real information and find out their information was way off. Not even close to what real bookies are seeing. I am sick of service scams and now we have to put up with these type of scams. I guess in this business, DON'T TRUST NO ONE

[gbc]

I agree with all above who say straight fading does not pay. I've tried to tell this to some cappers who do just that, but they do not listen. I even tracked this for awhile last year and you come out no better than capping the games yourself and picking who you think is the right side. I get a kick out of some of these cappers on these forums that think they know what vegas is doing and why.

[wizardofoddz]

GoldieLocks

you have to understand what it means to FADE.
A true FADE player has to know the conbination of bets, parleys, If Bests, If in reverse bets, the total picture. When a site gives you all that info, then you can be a true FADE player, until then, don't even try, you don't have a clue.........
If you think you can just go to a site and see %'s and think your FADING, your wrong..........
I have been in this business a VERY long time, I still have much to learn.
You have to learn what a true FADE is.........
You have to see the whole picture, team combo's, parlay combo's, you have to see the entire picture, not just a part of it.....
A true FADE is the book, he gets all the action, not just a percentage.
Best Of Luck

FADING is just ONE tool amoung many...

[misspiggy]

Wiz

Good points. Guess many ways to view it. I to believe in the "house always wins" but not because Vegas hits games left and right but because the gambler plays and plays forever and the odds start stacking against him. He loses patience and starts to chase and gets buried. I don't think one game or even many games matter to Vegas as I have pointed out that Vegas gets everyones money from public followers to anti public followers. This has to be a fact cause have you ever noticed when you go on a crazy fade run and it seems public wil never win again? and then wham wham wham, everything you fade loses and loses and you sit there thinking what the f*ck is going on. You think Vegas is getting hammered but in reality collecting cash off the faders

[wizardofoddz]

One others thing

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one
Best Of Luck

[Luv2Play2]

OUCHHH

[wizardofoddz]

Goldielocks

I never think Vegas is getting hammered. If you really knew the true definition of a fade (VEGAS)
You need to learn a lot.........
Like I said before, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.......
In my opinion, you have the wrong out look on sports betting. It takes more than being a fade to win, you're not even close......
Next we will be hearing how your X was a book and he got beat.....
I'm done with this conversation with you, you have NO clue...........