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  • #16
    Personally, I handicap (and wager) three sports:
    1) college basketball
    2) college football
    3) pro football

    With that in mind,
    I have always played my wagers as follows:
    a) MAJORITY of my wagers= "standard" plays for the exact same amount.
    b) OCCASIONALLY= I will have a (1 1/2 times) or double play which is simply in relation to the "standard" play amount.

    For me, each standard play is 2.5% of my total bankroll and I will increase (or decrease) this standard play amount when my bankroll hits a given increment. So the standard play amount DOES NOT change with every little fluctuation in my bankroll. It only changes when my bankroll increases (or decreases) by a certain pre-determined amount of money.

    Personally, I don't believe in the MULTIPLE unit or star system that many cappers use. The reason being that there are no sure winners! Some games look easy before or after the fact but a "5 star" or "10 star" play can lose just as easily as a "1 star" play. I would rather just have a nice winning record at the end of the season and then I will have made a decent profit.
    On the other hand, a guy that caps w/ a 1-5 star system could have a nice winning record and still be down due to losing more of his higher rated plays. It would "kill" me if I had a decent won/ loss record but still lost money!

    Sincerely,
    Bennojd

    P.S.> The following reply was very thorough and well written. It should be read twice by anyone that has questions about money management.
    Originally posted by Warrior
    dwil,

    Some people "rate" their games Stronger than other games.

    Once upon a time a Five-Unit (or Five "Star") play meant playing 5% of your bankroll on the pick. Three-Unit meant three percent, etc.

    Over the years the number of sports services and handicappers have increased so much that it's hard to tell what some of them are getting at.

    You see 50-Unit, 10-star, and you'll often see a game referred to as so many "Credits". That could mean percent, or it could mean an absolute value.

    I've even seen 50,000-star plays...not sure what that means. I use to have what I call my MILLION $$$ Games. That was a catchy name for Top Play.

    Ideally, you would want to ask the individual, specifically, what THEIR ratings mean in relation to how you should play on the game (in a relative sense).

    In general, there are really only two schools of thought, and the debate has gone on for eons regarding the logic and pros & cons of each stance:

    1.) Play the same amount on each game.
    2.) Vary the amount you play (using units, credits, etc.).

    In either case, the wisest choice is to have a bankroll. The convential wisdom is to never play more than 5%, or at the most an occasional 10%, on one game. Many would argue that even that is too much and that a 1-2% play is the best.

    Most do not play according to a bankroll anyway, so you might play what you're "comfortable with" without playing an amount that would end your season in the event of a cold run.

    I'll be the first to admit that sometimes I will wing it, a lot of times at the last minute. I've been fortunate enough to be on the right side a sizeable majority of the times when I give myself the "go ahead" to do that (even though it is against all conventional wisdom).

    Most cappers will rate their games between 1-10 Units, but you will find out if you study the results long enough that there is often little or no difference between a person's 2-star games, 3-stars, 4-stars, and even 5-stars.

    There are some exceptions, but in the long run I've seen little difference with my plays and with the plays of others who use those ratings.

    The exception might be if someone considers their 5-star as their absolute "highest" rating. Then, their 5-stars might show a better win percentage over the others while the rest have little variation.

    After 24-years, I have finally ditched the unit system. I use to rate my games 2-5 stars with an occasional 10-star. Over the years, only my 10-star games (again, my particular choice for 'highest' rating') have shown a significant difference.

    This season I will have only 2 ratings:

    1.) Standard Play (what use to be 2-5 stars but is now all the same rating)

    2.) Double Play (what use to be my 10-star but is now just what is implies--a doubling of the standard play)

    The first thing in betting the games is to find winning information.

    Hope that helps...
    dave
    Last edited by Bennojd; 08-29-2004, 01:53 AM.
    Quote from author Peter Marshall: "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for everything."

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    • #17
      The Best Sportsbooks

      My post in anwser to dwil's question about sportsbooks is in quotes

      I like Sportsbook.com. If your two most important things are getting paid right away and not having any disagreements on what your balance is, then sportsbook.com is the best place. I have played there for over 3 years and have never had even one little problem with them. They pay by a Bank check, which is easy to cash, delivered by Federal Express. Also the phone clerks are friendly and their English is good. Check out their website, it's the same name.
      dwil. How can you say no one anwsered your question asking about good sportsbooks when I posted the above in anwser to your question the same day you asked your question. I also recall others also telling you about the sportsbooks they liked. So now its your turn to anwser a question for me. Why did you say no one anwsered your question about sportsbooks?

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      • #18
        Benn,...

        the problem with you system is that you have to win a lot more percentage of games than people who use a kind of "double units system".
        I play during CBB most games equally, but when i see some games where my power ratings say: Yipppiiieh then I double it up. Usually not more than a double play, maybe double and 1/2 at the most. Very seldom do I bomb a game

        You can see that from both sides, you know? Last year I had a week where I made 6 CBB games in a day and I lost 5, but still was up about 1,5 units, thanks to the different ratings of my games.

        No offense intended, just some additional information!


        This year in MLB I kind of lost my mind and blew a lot of my bankroll on stupid games.... ....so I can say from first hand experience: Never overbet. Better cash in 0,1 units than lose 10 units in one day. There are so many games to bet and the season is freaking long, esp in CBB.
        (That was for dwil)

        MM is very important, you could be a miserable capper and still make cash.... but IMO it is a long term thing to learn.
        Everyone will once blow his bankroll and then come back to reality and that is healthy progress.

        Later,
        GB
        You need people like me so you can point your fingers and say Hey there's the bad guy! So, what does that make to you. Good guys? Don't kid yourselves. You're no better'n me. You just know how to hide and how to lie. Me, I do not have that problem. I always tell the truth, even when I lie!
        Tony Montana, Scarface

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        • #19
          Bennojd

          Originally posted by Bennojd

          Personally, I don't believe in the MULTIPLE unit or star system that many cappers use. The reason being that there are no sure winners! Some games look easy before or after the fact but a "5 star" or "10 star" play can lose just as easily as a "1 star" play. I would rather just have a nice winning record at the end of the season and then I will have made a decent profit.
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          As we often do. I agree with you 100%. I don't believe in a star system. Almost all of my bets are 2%. On occasion for some action I'll play 1%. On a rare occassion I'll play more.

          I certainly don't believe in playing 10% or more on a single game. It seems more often than not the cappers here or the scamdicappers lose their BIG (GOY) games. BURNING CASH!

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          • #20
            GermanBettor:

            Your points are well taken!

            I'm not saying that the way I wager is absolutely the best way.
            But it is the best way for me. I only wager games that meet a certain criteria and that does not mean they will always win. However, I've found that if I "stick to my guns"; I can usually win enough games over the course of a season to be successful.
            On occasion, if a game looks extra strong then I will wager it at (1 1/2 times) my normal amount and in even rarer instances I will double or triple a play but that's about as far as I go.

            Sure it would be nice to have a "5 star" play pick me up and supplement my other losses. And enough "5 star" winners could propel a capper to nice profits in a hurry. The opposite is true also, however. If you live by the sword, you must be willing to die by the sword. A string of "5 star" losers could have a capper down a bunch of units in no time.
            BOTTOM LINE: I, myself cannot justify betting multiple units on a game that can lose just as easily as any other play. When I see someone's "10 star" pick lose, I always ask myself: what made that play 10 times better??
            Of course, only an individual capper can determine this based on his (her) style of handicapping.
            That's why most of my wagers are for a "standard" amount; any game can lose at any time! How can someone justify a pick being called a GOY??
            I really don't know but cappers do it.
            If there were sure or easy winners; I would ONLY bet those games for big amounts of money. But I know that there are no sure winners so that's why I wager the same amount on most of my picks.
            There have been many instances where I wished I would have bet more on a game because it won so easily. But hindsight is 20/20 every time!

            Baseball is a unique sport to wager on and should be viewed much differently because a won/ loss record doesn't mean much in that sport. So keep in mind that I am only talking about football and basketball when I made the above stated argument. Also, the above stated argument is right for me but it doesn't mean that there are not other ways that work as well!

            Sincerely,
            Bennojd
            Quote from author Peter Marshall: "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for everything."

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            • #21
              Re: GermanBettor:

              Originally posted by Bennojd
              Your points are well taken!

              I'm not saying that the way I wager is absolutely the best way.
              But it is the best way for me. I only wager games that meet a certain criteria and that does not mean they will always win. However, I've found that if I "stick to my guns"; I can usually win enough games over the course of a season to be successful.
              On occasion, if a game looks extra strong then I will wager it at (1 1/2 times) my normal amount and in even rarer instances I will double or triple a play but that's about as far as I go.

              Sure it would be nice to have a "5 star" play pick me up and supplement my other losses. And enough "5 star" winners could propel a capper to nice profits in a hurry. The opposite is true also, however. If you live by the sword, you must be willing to die by the sword. A string of "5 star" losers could have a capper down a bunch of units in no time.
              BOTTOM LINE: I, myself cannot justify betting multiple units on a game that can lose just as easily as any other play. When I see someone's "10 star" pick lose, I always ask myself: what made that play 10 times better??
              Of course, only an individual capper can determine this based on his (her) style of handicapping.
              That's why most of my wagers are for a "standard" amount; any game can lose at any time! How can someone justify a pick being called a GOY??
              I really don't know but cappers do it.
              If there were sure or easy winners; I would ONLY bet those games for big amounts of money. But I know that there are no sure winners so that's why I wager the same amount on most of my picks.
              There have been many instances where I wished I would have bet more on a game because it won so easily. But hindsight is 20/20 every time!

              Baseball is a unique sport to wager on and should be viewed much differently because a won/ loss record doesn't mean much in that sport. So keep in mind that I am only talking about football and basketball when I made the above stated argument. Also, the above stated argument is right for me but it doesn't mean that there are not other ways that work as well!

              Sincerely,
              Bennojd

              Ben,
              you are right that the 5* bets can blow you off. I stay away from those ratings anyways, but there are certain situation when I bet more than i usually bet.

              For example:
              When I get Rice +15 over Duke and my power ratings indicate
              that Rice should be just +12 or +12,5, I will jump on that game with more money than I would when i had Rice rated with +13 or +13,5. You know, what I'm saying?

              It seems like you use the same kind of system like I do, as you mentioned that you bet sometimes double and triple amounts, too.

              I totally agree with you about these 10 stars Goys, gom or what ever they are called.....
              It is a sad fact that mostly these games go down and the only reason when I would bet such an amount of money (and 10 times more of a usual unit IS a huge amount for everyone!) is when I had the game fixed.

              Of course, sometimes when I won a game easily by 20 points or something like that (I am speaking about CBB) than I ask myself:
              "Dang, why didn't you bet more?"
              But more than once are the games who look so easy the ones that will kick you in the balls.

              Have a good day!
              GB
              You need people like me so you can point your fingers and say Hey there's the bad guy! So, what does that make to you. Good guys? Don't kid yourselves. You're no better'n me. You just know how to hide and how to lie. Me, I do not have that problem. I always tell the truth, even when I lie!
              Tony Montana, Scarface

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              • #22
                Re: The Best Sportsbooks

                Originally posted by thesandman
                My post in anwser to dwil's question about sportsbooks is in quotes



                dwil. How can you say no one anwsered your question asking about good sportsbooks when I posted the above in anwser to your question the same day you asked your question. I also recall others also telling you about the sportsbooks they liked. So now its your turn to anwser a question for me. Why did you say no one anwsered your question about sportsbooks?
                say homie see thats what i'm talkin about, you wasting your time with the bullshit,man i found mt sports book and thats it dont write with know more bull **** on this forum.
                dwilla

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                • #23
                  SP CONNECTION

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                  • #24
                    Re: SP CONNECTION

                    Originally posted by Panther123
                    Is posting @ *************.com
                    Great Job Sp! Too bad nobody can read it you dipshit.

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                    • #25
                      SP CONNECTION

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