Service Scams

[GR8Life]

Found this article and thought you guys might want to read this. I think some of these guys post here.

SCAM MONITORING SERVICE!

Nevada Sports Monitor is being run by a group of scam artists that put themselves at the top of the list. They are doing such a poor job that it is humorous. These people include jrtips.com, charliessports.com, and usacappers.com. These guys tell lies, create fake handicappers, and only want your money. Someday they will be prosecuted and put in jail. Similar scam artists include nsawins.com and vegassi.com. They are con artists.


National Sports Consultants Scams Hockey Star
ESPN.com news services
Flyers star Jeremy Roenick gambled on sports, though he did nothing illegal and nothing against NHL rules, but says he stopped after Philadelphia general manager Bob Clarke warned him about betting.

"I enjoyed it, but I don't think I had a problem," Roenick told the Philadelphia Inquirer. "I shut it off cold turkey."

The FBI came across Roenick's name, according to a story Sunday in the Inquirer, in April during an investigation of National Sports Consultants, a gambling tout service in Fort Myers, Fla.

Investigators dropped their inquiry into Roenick's actions after concluding that he did not bet on the Flyers -- or any other hockey team -- and was not involved in any illegal activity, according to the Inquirer. The NHL does not prohibit legal gambling on sports other than hockey.

A law official said that Roenick paid the handicapping firm more than $100,000, but he told the Inquirer that it was far less than that and that his total bets were somewhere between $50,000 and $100,000.

The story does not make clear where Roenick placed his bets. National Sports Consultants has been accused of claiming falsely to have inside information on games and of taking kickbacks for referring bettors to offshore Internet casinos.

Roenick said he never talked hockey to the touts, who give tips for a fee but do not handle bets. Roenick's betting interests ran to football and basketball, according to the Inquirer.

Although Roenick said he stopped gambling after Clarke's warning in January, two touts told the Inquirer that Roenick bet into the spring. Eleven handicappers from the firm have pleaded guilty to federal gambling chargers.

[Bennojd]

Another scam...........

that some monitors pull off is as follows:

For this example, I'll use a well known monitor that is guilty of this but by no means is it the only monitor that does this.
The "Oklahoma Sports monitor" charges handicappers big bucks to be monitored. With that in mind, there are two MAJOR things wrong with the way they track picks:

1) They allow cappers to have several "clubs". A "club" is simply a set of picks. So for pro football, Wayne Root may have five or six "clubs" such as an "underdog club", a "gold club" and a "steam plays club". What's wrong with that you ask? By having "clubs", a handicapper is giving himself many more opportunities to shine since each club has different picks within. The capper knows that if he throws out enough picks and he is able to seperate those picks into several "clubs", he most likely will do well in at least one "club". He can then advertise how well that one (or more) of his "club(s)" is doing at a given point in time. He will say: "Look at the monitor, our such and such "club" is on fire; subscribe today". Therefore, it allows him to look good and that's why he wants to be monitored in the first place: to show potential subscibers that he is good. He can then point to the monitor to prove his worth. Let's face it, if you give any novice the chance to throw out enough sets of picks, one set will always be looking good at a given point in time.
Legitimate monitors only let cappers submit ONE set of picks for a particular sport; and the cappers have only ONE overall record.

2) This goes hand in hand with #1.
The "Oklahoma Sports Monitor" (and others) only show cappers that have a winning percentage above 50%. Therefore, you won't see a bad side of Wayne Root. If a couple of his "clubs" are performing horribly, it just won't be shown. This prevents the capper from looking bad and cappers certainly don't want you to see them look bad!
Legitimate monitors will show all cappers that make picks, whether they have a winning percentage or not.

Another point I would like to make: if you look at the "Oklahoma Sports monitor" you will see many cappers that belong to a group. Wayne Root has several cappers in his group including Larry Ness, Randy White, Chet Coppock, etc. Each of these cappers submit their picks in "clubs". Therefore, that gives the group an awesome opportunity to shine. And if a potential customer doesn't subscribe to one capper in the group; they are bound to subscribe to another. Check out the "Oklahoma Sports monitor" for yourself and you will see what I mean.
http://www.thesportsmonitor.com/03comboftb.html

A sports monitor can be very convincing to a potential subscriber that is looking to find a good sports service. It has the outward appearance of being an independent judge of a capper's performance. However, monitors like the "Oklahoma Sports monitor" are in a round about way helping the cappers that pay them big bucks.

One last example:
This was near the very end of the football season in 2003 and it was the last picks that I had tracked for Wayne Root:
WAYNE ROOT HAD 10 DIFFERENT "CLUBS" THAT HE GOT MONITORED.
HIS RECORD IN ALL COMBINED "CLUBS" WAS: (115-106) AND WITH JUICE (-1).
Personal note to Wayne Root: HOW CAN YOU CLAIM TO BE THE GREATEST IN THE WORLD AND WITH LAST YEAR'S SEASON ALMOST OVER, YOU WERE ACTUALLY DOWN ON THE SEASON? I GUESS IT'S GREAT TO BE A LEGEND....
TOO BAD FOR HIS CLIENTS, HE'S A LEGEND IN HIS OWN MIND ONLY!

Avoid cappers that have "clubs" and avoid the sports monitors that harbor them!!

Sincerely,
Bennojd

[savage1]

Bennojd-your post was well written and well thought.
Adding to what you said, I simply don't trust many of the services which have multiple cappers.
For example, on the procappers website today alone I count 16 cappers with picks;my goodness with that many obviously some of those folks are going to win and some are going to lose.
What is troubling is that many times those cappers have big plays on the opposite side of the same game with compelling reasons.
Again for every winning side for a game. there is a losing side;thus the conglomerate as a whole will always have some cappers winning for the day.
IThus, it is obvious to me that one of the big reasons they "combine" forces(I use the term loosely because it is all about maximizing their profits) is to ensure that someone is always winning to attract customers for a particular day and also to get folks who have lost say a few days with a particular capper for a day or two to switch over to someone else who is winning.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if in fact there are some services made up of 4 or 5 ot more cappers who actually sit down together before picks are given out and decide who will give out what sides on a given day, the motive not necessarily being to pick winners but to ensure that the combinations given out ensure that at least a couple of the cappers win.

[MARGIN]

The best, and only Monitor thay any service/handicapper needs, is its Clients. Enough said.

Regards,
John
Las Vegas Experts

[Bennojd]

Savage1:

As usual, you make some good points!

Yeah, wouldn't you think a group of cappers would collaborate on their picks. How can one guy in the group have a strong play on one side of a game and the other capper take the other side? It doesn't make much sense and it certainly makes one wonder!
Also, it's a funny thing about cappers that belong to a group: their websites always seem to claim that one of their capper's is red-hot. But never is there a mention of the capper that just lost his so-called "can't lose" big game.

Some of these groups are geniuses when it comes to clever marketing. They will include anything that makes them shine and leave out any glimpse of a negative. It's too bad that they don't put more energy into legitimate handicapping instead of all that sickening HYPE!

Sincerely,
Bennojd

[savage1]

Bennojd-I liken sports services with multiple cappers to this:
As I am not the greatest at market timing and stock picking, I want to play it safe(as I am retired), and have a good portion of my money managed by a solid investing firm with a very good 30 year track record(No bullshit here, as everything is well documented).
As in any good investment firm, there is a similarity of philosophy of investing of those who make the investment decisions.
Can you imagine if the folks who run this operation debated/argued daily whether a stock say for example Intel was a good investment?;the point is the people think alike or come to some kind of accord in any event.
This is not "quite"the same when it comes to handicapping services.
One of the prime examples was a few weeks ago when one of cappers at a capping firm had a GOY on pitiful Arizona, a game which they lost 10-3, while another member of the firm had a big play on winning LA in the same game.
Obviously, the types of investments are different, and I suppose with capping there is more room for disagreement as there are so may games played with so many different techniques for capping.
That being said, I still think a good service in order to maintain its integrity should NOT have its cappers give out huge plays on the OPPOSITE side of a game as in the example cited above;for my money it destroys the credibility of the handicapping service as a whole and leads to questions of motivation, dishonesty, collusion and in general the ethics or lack of.
Personally, I have a lot more faith in cappers who are independent and/or have one or at the most two partners.

[Bennojd]

Originally posted by savage1
Bennojd-I liken sports services with multiple cappers to this:
As I am not the greatest at market timing and stock picking, I want to play it safe(as I am retired), and have a good portion of my money managed by a solid investing firm with a very good 30 year track record(No bullshit here, as everything is well documented).
As in any good investment firm, there is a similarity of philosophy of investing of those who make the investment decisions.
Can you imagine if the folks who run this operation debated/argued daily whether a stock say for example Intel was a good investment?;the point is the people think alike or come to some kind of accord in any event.
This is not "quite"the same when it comes to handicapping services.
One of the prime examples was a few weeks ago when one of cappers at a capping firm had a GOY on pitiful Arizona, a game which they lost 10-3, while another member of the firm had a big play on winning LA in the same game.
Obviously, the types of investments are different, and I suppose with capping there is more room for disagreement as there are so may games played with so many different techniques for capping.
That being said, I still think a good service in order to maintain its integrity should NOT have its cappers give out huge plays on the OPPOSITE side of a game as in the example cited above;for my money it destroys the credibility of the handicapping service as a whole and leads to questions of motivation, dishonesty, collusion and in general the ethics or lack of.
Personally, I have a lot more faith in cappers who are independent and/or have one or at the most two partners.

Savage1,
I agree with what you said wholeheartedly!

Sincerely,
Bennojd

[Bennojd]

And another thing:

If you see a Handicapper out there selling his picks without HYPE, there is a great chance he is a solid and legit and winning Handicapper!!!
If you see he is adding "Game of the Month", "Game of the Year", "500 STAR LOCK", "PAC 10 GAME OF YEAR", "REVENGE GAME OF YEAR", "UPSET OF YEAR" or anything of this nature -- there is a 99% chance that this Handicapper is a Scammer and a Conman. You need to run like the hills, and I can almost assure you he is not betting a red cent on these same HYPED plays making it even worse, as the only person cashing in on these HYPED picks is HIM!!!! Also, be more wary of the GUARANTEED deals of a package for picks...if you buy today's picks--and lose---get tomorrow's picks FREE...WHOOOPPIEEE!! What is really free? You already paid for losing picks the day before...so you paid to lose right? What's really free? And who the hell needs more losing picks anyway?? I wouldn't!!

Sincerely,
Bennojd

[savage1]

Right on! I sure hope some of folks who are unsure of whether to use a service read this thread.

[frankb03]

Beating a Dead Horse

You all know my opinion on this issue. What gets me most, is how naive and desperate are gamblers.

What troubles me more than all the newbies that come to this site looking for the easy $$$ is other members justifying why they want service picks. According to them all services are hot or winners. They base this with no fact.

Other members have the need to defend the services. We have a member of this site who swears a certain capper is a winner in MLB. At that same service's own website he has it posted that he's lost 3 of the last 4 years in baseball. I give the capper credit for being honest.

Further pvoof how naive are some gamblers. In the thread where a member claims he can get the football selections from over 100 services one member requested Wayne Root. He's one of the biggest scammers.

[SweetLou]

Frank you dont need to make up stuff and lie about me, distort the truth or whatever you want to call it, Yes a certain capper is winning this year in baseball much to your dismay. I think that there are good services and bad services out there... There is a simple solution to this problem though..... IF YOU DONT LIKE THE SERVICES DONT PLAY THEM!!! Beat that dead horse some more franky boy yeeha!!!! Correct me if im wrong but wasnt that you in the service plays area browsing the forum and you were asking for the name of a service so you could join???

[Art Vandelay]

Great info guys. It just amazes me how someone could actually spend over $100 K on a tout! You would think a professional athlete would be smarter than that, but obviously not.

The "Oklahoma Sports Monitor" might be crooked, but I saw some interesting results. Root's "PERFECT PLAY" was not so "perfect" hitting all of 57%! And Randy White's Cowboy Club, which Root and White plug nonstop during Root's ridiculous TV show hit a resounding 50% of its picks. Nothing like paying money to lose money...

[savage1]

Personally and for what its worth, I think Wayne Root is the most arrogant, conceited jerk out there not just as a capper but also as a person;it is not surprising that this devious tout is not very good either when his overall record is examined.

[ThomasC]

I agree with much of what you say except one point. The Sports Monitor publishes everyone's complete records, but you must pay for them. That's how she makes money from the buyer's side. The handicappers pay her to be monitored, and the buyers pay her for the full reports. The records she posts on the site are added publicity for the services that are winning. It's one of the bonuses of being monitored there. If you want the full reports you have to pay for them.

[Bennojd]

ThomasC

Thanks for the info.
I was not completely aware of that.

Also, welcome to the forum!

Sincerely,
Bennojd