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    Big 12 Conference Preview

    Saturday 7th of August 2004


    Conference Big 12

    The Big 12 North is in upheaval as three teams have a legitimate shot to win this division. What makes this exciting is the fact that all are flawed and beatable on any given Saturday. The two most entertaining teams to watch, will be Nebraska and Colorado. The Cornhuskers look to a 21st century offensive approach in Lincoln and the Coach Barnett attempts to prove he can coach and still maintain control of his football program. The status quo appears in order for the South division, as both Oklahoma and Texas look to be a cut above the rest. With quality contests every week once the conference season convenes, look for meaningful games throughout the 2004 campaign.

    NORTH Division
    Team Colorado
    Offense -7 QB-1 WR/TE-1 RB-2 OL-3
    Defense- 6 DL-2 LB-2 DB-2 ST-K
    IMPACT Player Rating- 1

    ATS record 2003 5-7 3-year record 21-18

    Impactful Trends
    1) Colorado is 8-2 ATS as a Home Dog. (Possible -10/30)
    2) 7-19 ATS in non-conference action in last seven years. (First 3 games)

    Coaching Trend
    Embattled Barnett is 16-4 ATS the last four games of the season in Boulder.

    Best Profit Potential 10/13 Kansas State This game will be a +/- 3 point spread in Boulder. Coach Barnett maybe a lot of things, but he is a survivor and a great late season leader. Buffaloes are 6-2 ATS & SU before their last game of the season. If they make it to this point with without further controversy this is a cover for the Buffs.

    Humbling Experience 9/18 North Texas Colorado should be a DD favorite in this match-up against the best from the Sun Belt. The Mean Green is the wrong team for the Buffs to be playing. With 17 starters back including an experienced QB, N. Texas matches the strengths of Colorado. HC Barnett has a long history dating back to Northwestern of being a terrible favorite over a TD. Colorado is 1-7 ATS in home openers and 1-9 against the number before a bye.

    Impactful Thoughts Gary, Gary, Gary, my oh my, what have you done. Plenty of talent still exists in Boulder despite all the trouble. Confidence will be a huge issue against a very difficult schedule. What would help this team immensely is a 3-0 start, of which they are capable. We really believe that for Barnett to keep his job anything less then 7-4 will not get it done. We don't see that occurring.

    Team Iowa State
    Offense -7 QB- 1 WR/TE-1 RB-1 OL-4
    Defense -7 DL -3 LB -2 DB-2 ST -P
    IMPACT Player Rating- 2

    ATS record 2003 1-10 3-year record 16-19

    Impactful Trends
    1) Visitor in the Colleges of Corn series is 13-4 ATS. (9/11)
    2) Since middle of 2002 season, the Cyclones are 2-15 ATS.

    Coaching Trend
    Intense McCarney is 11-27-1 ATS as an away underdog.

    Best Profit Potential 10/30 Kansas After playing on the road at Baylor, Iowa State returns home to another winnable game. With enough veteran talent on hand and Kansas searching for a QB, this contest presents a very favorable occasion for the Cyclones. The home team is 10-2-1 ATS in this series since 91'.

    Humbling Experience 11/20 @Kansas State Kansas State loves to run up the scoreboard whenever the situation presents itself. In all likelihood, the Wildcats will be in contention for the Big 12 North title and could use a big game in what will be their last game of the regular season.

    Impactful Thoughts Expectations are never too high in Ames since McCarney was awarded a big contract with a 36-57 career mark at Iowa State. In fairness he did produce three straight winning seasons and three bowl games. Can a team as inept as Iowa State was last year, bounce back and have a winning season this 2004? With three winnable road games and 14 returning starters the answer is a definitive maybe.

    Team Kansas
    Offense -8 QB-0 WR/TE-4 RB-1 OL-3
    Defense -7 DL-1 LB-3 DB-3 ST-K
    IMPACT Player Rating 3

    ATS record 2003 5-7 3-year record 11-22

    Impactful Trends
    1) Visitor is Oklahoma series is 6-1 ATS. (Nothing else of note for Kansas.)
    2) KU is 2-12 ATS as a HD the last three years.

    Coaching Trend
    4-10 ATS off a SU loss.

    Best Profit Potential In all honesty we really can not suggest one.

    Humbling Experience Any November game. Inspite of having back to back home games with Colorado and Texas, the Jayhawks are 3-16 and 2-10 SU respectively against these two foes. Their last game is against North Division contender and hated rival Missouri of which Kansas is 1-11 ATS. Oh yea, Kansas is 8-30 ATS in November over the last eleven years.

    Impactful Thoughts Coach Mangino did a wonderful job in bring this team together last year and had a clutch victory over Iowa State to secure a bowl game for the first time in eight long seasons. Kansas returns 15 starters, but without Whittemore at QB no such luck is expected. All three non-conference games could be struggles. The Big 12 road schedule offers no breaks either, with trips to Lincoln, Norman, Ames and Columbia. IMPACT SPORTS PICKS is seeing three wins and a bundle of opportunities to Play Against the 2004 Jayhawks.

    Team Kansas State
    Offense 6 QB-0 WR/TE-2 RB-1 OL-3
    Defense -4 DL-1 LB-1 DB-2 ST-K
    IMPACT Player Rating -9

    ATS Record 2003 6-7 3-year record 22-14

    Impactful Trends
    1) 22-9 ATS off a SU loss over the last 11 years.
    2) 1-9 ATS before Nebraska (10/16 @Oklahoma)

    Coaching Trend
    The favorite players best friend, Coach Snyder who is 46-22-2 ATS as HF.

    Best Profit Potential 10/9 @ Kansas The circumstances have not mattered over the last decade, K-State is 10-0 SU & ATS vs. in-state rival Kansas.

    Humbling Experience 10/2 @Texas A&M Don&Mac226;t be fooled in this contest. K-State plays the usual patsies to start the season. First road test will be in always tough College Station and with little experience on offense this spells TROUBLE. Coach Franchione&Mac226;s teams always make meaningful improvement in his 2nd season. Wildcats get corralled in Aggieland.

    Impactful Thoughts Coach Snyder will field a respectable team the year after being the Big 12 champions. From a wagering perspective we recommend a wait and see attitude, unless K-State is off a loss and is playing as a home favorite, since history suggests that is a profitable occasion.

    Team- Missouri
    Offense 4 QB-1 WR/TE-2 RB-0 OL-1
    Defense -9 DL-4 LB-2 DB-3 ST-P
    IMPACT Player Rating -10

    ATS Record 2003 8-4 3-year record 19-15

    Impactful Trends
    1) Misso. is 11-3 ATS when favored by 10.5 to 21 points.
    2) Tigers have lost 11 straight to K-State and are 3-8 ATS. (11/6)

    Coaching Trend
    Prickly Pinkel is 6-2 ATS at home when favored.

    Best Profit Potential 9/18 Ball State After playing two weak non-conference foes, the offense should be starting to come together and the Cardinals will have no answer for QB Smith.

    Humbling Experience 10/16 @Texas Missouri should come into this Big 12 contest 5-0. Longhorns will most likely be off another loss vs. Oklahoma and would enjoy nothing better then ruining someone else's season. Tigers leave Austin with first defeat convincingly.

    Impactful Thoughts We are not really sure how Missouri is such a popular choice to win the Big 12 North. With just 4 offensive starters back and one lineman, this school is not a perennial power that reloads every year. The best thing going for Tigers is the schedule that falls their way. A 9-2 season is a possibility if things go the Tigers way, yet so is 6-5 season. Caution Will Robinson, caution.

    Team- Nebraska
    Offense -6 QB-0 WR/TE-2 RB-1 OL-3
    Defense -6 DL-2 LB-1 DB-3 ST- K
    IMPACT Player Rating -16

    ATS Record 2003 8-5 3-year record 20-18-1

    Impactful Trends
    1) 28-11 ATS off a road victory.
    2) Nebraska is 4-11 ATS in final road games. (11/13)

    Coaching Trend
    New Coach

    Best Profit Potential 10/2 Kansas Like many teams, the Cornhuskers always beat the Jayhawks and are 16-4 ATS against them.

    Humbling Experience 11/13 @Oklahoma The new offense will be improved by this point of the season. Unfortunately, the Huskers will not have seen a defense this fast and athletic all year. Nebraska makes mistakes and the Sooners capitalize in big victory.
    Impactful Thoughts This is our number one team to avoid this year. No team has more question marks then Nebraska. Talent exists in some positions particularly on defense. With the upperclassmen on defense now utilizing their third different defense in three years, confusion is bound to prevail. STAY AWAY!

    SOUTH Division
    Team Baylor
    Offense - 7 QB-1 WR/TE-1 RB-1 OL-4
    Defense - 7 DL-3 LB-1 DB-3 ST-B
    IMPACT Player Rating 1

    ATS Record 2003 7-4 3-year record 16-16

    Impactful Trends
    1) 11-2 ATS as underdogs of more then 13 points
    2) 9-30-1 ATS in Big 12 action since 1999.

    Coaching Trend
    HC Morriss produced a 7-4 ATS record in his first season at Waco.

    Best Profit Potential 10/23 Iowa State Likely only chance for a conference victory and might be slight favorite as well. The Bears will realize this and deliver a victory.

    Humbling Experience 11/6 @Texas Tech If you can&Mac226;t score, you can not win in Lubbock. The Bears are 0-8 SU and 1-7 ATS vs. the Red Raiders and the favorite is 8-1 ATS. Major Blow-out potential.

    Impactful Thoughts Success will have to come in baby steps in Waco. Attempting to be more competitive (5 losses by 17 or more points) would definitely qualify as improvement. The record is unlikely to improve, but a similar ATS record is possible.

    Team Oklahoma
    Offense -10 QB-1 WR/TE-2 RB-2 OL-5
    Defense -7 DL-3 LB-1 DB-3 ST-B
    IMPACT Player Rating -42

    ATS Record 2003 7-7 3-year record 22-19

    Impactful Trends
    1) 16-3 ATS when they win SU with revenge (Possibly 10/16)
    2) Sooners 3-9 ATS the week before Red River Rivalry with Texas (10/2)

    Coaching Trend
    6-1 ATS after SU loss

    Best Profit Potential 10/13 Nebraska After two tough road contests the last home game will bring a focused effort from the Sooners who still should be in the National Championship hunt. This game will probably a must win for Oklahoma, as they take advantage of a new styled Nebraska offense.

    Humbling Experience 11/6 @Texas A&M This will be a very difficult contest for the Sooners. The Aggies have played Oklahoma tough for years in College Station and with Coach Franchione being in the role of a HD, this spells trouble for Stoops bunch. Home team has covered 9 of 10, look for more of the same.

    Impactful Thoughts This will be a critical year for Coach Stoops and the program he has built. Last year Oklahoma allowed the highest yards per rush and the highest pass completion percentage since Stoops arrived in Norman. More top assistances continue to leave for other better opportunities. When does the well start to run dry? With the Big 12 down a little this yea,r a strong season is expected, but certainly a couple of rough spots exist. Has Oklahoma lost the sense of invincibility?

    Team- Oklahoma State
    Offense -7 QB-0 WR/TE-2 RB-1 OL-4
    Defense -8 DL-2 LB-3 DB-3 ST- P
    IMPACT Player Rating 10

    ATS Record 2003 6-6 3-year record 18-16

    Impactful Trends
    1) The dog is 8-3 ATS in the Missouri series (10/23)
    2) The Cowboys are 4-10 ATS as RD of 7.5 14 points.

    Coaching Trend
    HC Miles is 3-7 ATS as an away underdog.

    Best Profit Potential 9/11 Tulsa The Cowboys are 12-2 ATS vs. the Golden Hurricanes in their last 14 meetings.

    Humbling Experience 11/9 @Colorado Okie. State should be either 4-0 or 3-1 coming into this contest. The Buffaloes will be a 3-point favorite or dog and with the Cowboys a poor 5-13-1 ATS as a conference road team, well support Colorado in the spot.

    Impactful Thoughts After a great season for Oklahoma State reality will come calling this year. Quality returns on the O-Line, yet the three big playmakers are gone on offense. Defense was average and looks to be more of the same. Early season should be a breeze, with the games between Texas A&M and Texas Tech determining their bowl fate.

    Team Texas
    Offense - 7 QB-1 WR/TE-1 RB-2 OL-3
    Defense - 7 DL-2 LB-3 DB-2 ST-B
    IMPACT Player Rating 16

    ATS Record 2003 8-5 3-year record 20-19

    Impactful Trends
    1) Longhorns are 29-13 ATS in November since 1992.
    2) Texas is 0-6 ATS as 10 + points favorites off consecutive SU & ATS wins.

    Coaching Trend
    Mack Brown's team is 11-2 ATS the next game after a loss.

    Best Profit Potential 11/13 Kansas The Longhorns will be looking to improve their BCS status and will need to beat a bad team like the Jayhawks. Big numbers in November do not scare Texas this time of year.

    Humbling Experience 10/9 Oklahoma This series has turned into the movie „Groundhog Day‰. The same thing keeps happening over and over again. Unless Coach Brown can produce a game plan that forces his team to play „outside the box‰ and allow his team to play with confidence in big games, history will repeat itself.

    Impactful Thoughts The write-up for Texas is pretty much the same every year since Coach Mack hit Austin. Lose to Oklahoma and some other game and post a great record with incredible talent that is finesse oriented. This is a team that is in need with some real down home kick ass bad boys. Maybe that would change the dynamics of this squad and lead them to where they should be. Basic problem is too many athletes, not enough football players.

    Team Texas A&M
    Offense -8 QB-1 WR/TE-2 RB-2 OL-3
    Defense -8 DL-3 LB-2 DB-3 ST-B
    IMPACT Player Rating -7

    ATS Record 2003 2-10 3-year record 11-24

    Impactful Trends
    1) The host in the Oklahoma contest is 9-1 ATS (11/6)
    2) Aggies are 3-15 ATS as Road Dog.

    Coaching Trend
    0-5 ATS as away dog as Aggies coach.

    Best Profit Potential 9/18 Clemson Tigers appear to be over-rated this year, which plays right into the hands of the Aggies. HC Franchione has made marked improvement in his second year. Good home game to start to turn this program around.

    Humbling Experience 11/13 Texas Tech After big emotional Oklahoma contest expect flat spot in final home game. Could win this contest, just look to Play Against
    A&M after prior week.

    Impactful Thoughts Many an Alabama fan were delighted with Texas A&M struggles last year. Look for a Texas size improvement from the Aggies this season. Coach Franchione may not win any personality contests, but this guy can coach. Third place a real possibility for the fans from Aggieland.

    Team Texas Tech
    Offense -6 QB-0 WR/TE-1 RB-1 OL-4
    Defense -9 DL-3 LB-3 DB-3 ST-B
    IMPACT Player Rating -8

    ATS Record 2003 9-4 3-year record 23-14-1

    Impactful Trends
    1) Texas Tech is 14-1 ATS coming off a home loss.
    2) 2-9 ATS off back-to-back wins vs. team under .500

    Coaching Trend
    13-5-1 ATS as a home favorite

    Best Profit Potential 11/6 Baylor This match-up is a perfect example of a high scoring team punishing a bad football team. Piling up points is no problem for Coach Leach.

    Humbling Experience 10/2 @Oklahoma The match-up is the exact opposite as the one mentioned above. Defensive pressure ruins this offensive juggernaut and forces mistakes and turnovers. Risk taking defense can't hold-up when forced into there situations. Sooners pound Red Raiders.

    Impactful Thoughts At this point in his career the cast appears to be set. This coach will make bettors money. Not afraid to keep throwing the ball under any circumstances and an exceptional home favorite. The defense has nine returning starters, which means they might stop someone every now and again. High entertainment value and another bowl game on tap for the Red Raiders.

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    Last edited by Blackbeard; 08-10-2004, 06:24 PM.
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    thanks for the good info.

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      Originally posted by kbsooner21
      thanks for the good info.
      Happy to help, kbsooner21, heres some more big 12 info from marc lawrence for what its worth:

      By Marc Lawrence

      BIG 12

      BAYLOR
      Last year local Texas and former Kentucky head coach Guy Morriss rewarded backers in the point spread wars, reversing a 1-10 ATS effort in 2002 to a 7-4 ATS money making campaign last year. True, the offense slipped 57 YPG and the defense declined by 45 YPG, but Morriss got the job done where it counts. The youngest team in the BIG 12 last year, they faced off against eight bowl squads in 2003. Will they lift the monkey of a 32-game conference road-losing streak off their backs, or be able to improve on a pathetic 2-21 SU & 3-20 ATS home log in conference play? We don’t think so. Not until they learn to improve in the stats on both sides of the ball.
      PLAY AGAINST: vs Oklahoma

      COLORADO
      What an ugly mess. After having witnessed no less than nine player suspensions for various team rule violations the last two years, the Buffaloes were called on the NCAA carpet. Player rape allegations have sent head coach Gary Barnett off to a shrink. Interim coach Brian Cabral tried to sound optimistic in his assessment of the situation. “There’s a lot of excitement. They’re very excited about the gains that they’ve made through the winter. Our players feel like they’re farther ahead than they we at this time last year,” he said. Huh? That’s what we’d call a classic case of coach-doublespeak. And speaking of cases, there’s a good chance you’ll be able to view Colorado football on Court TV this season. You know what they say… what happens in Boulder stays in Boulder.
      PLAYON: as Dog vs Kansas State

      IOWA STATE
      Holy Moly. Following stellar bowl seasons each of the previous three years, Iowa State’s numbers literally fell off the map after taking on the 2nd toughest schedule in the nation in 2003. First call to detail was the hiring of Barney Cotton as the new offensive coordinator. To which head coach Dan McCarney commented, “First thing was want to get back to is running the football. Our goal is to be one of the top rushing team’s in the conference.” Defensively, six of the front seven starters return. The killer comes early on, though, as the Cyclones tackle three foes right out of the gate that won 10 games each last year. Toss in three additional opponents who combined for 30-wins and the enthusiasm quells. Remember, ISU is 0-50-2 SU against Top 5 ranked foes. Ouch-ewawa.
      PLAY AGAINST: vs Oklahoma State

      KANSAS
      The 3rd year Mark Mangino project proved a charm when he led his team to its first bowl game in eight years. Sure, it ended on a sour note with a 56-26 wipeout loss in the Tangerine Bowl, but progress is progress however its measured. Sixteen starters and 50 lettermen return, sans star quarterback Bill Whittemore. Replacing him behind center is sophomore Adam Barmann who, when thrown into the fire because of injures last year, responded well, tossing for 564 yards and 4 TD’s in the final three games of the season. He’d better be ready as this year’s schedule borders on brutal, with eight of their eleven opponents having played in a bowl game last year. Unlike the Alamo, Year Four of the Mangino project will likely be one they’d rather not remember.
      PLAY AGAINST: vs Missouri

      KANSAS STATE
      Krispy Kreme King or not, you’ve got to hand it to Bill Snyder. In his 15 years at the helm in Kansas State, Snyder has opposed 56 non-conference foes during the regular season, emerging victorious 49 times. Amazingly only FIVE of the 56 hyphenated-cupcakes had won more than 6 games the previous season! He’ll need to be at his best in 2004 as he inherits a team that graduated a 30-man senior class. Diminutive, quicksilver RB Darren Sproles is back, however, and that is huge as he lead the nation in rushing yardage in 2003. Barry Switzer says, “Snyder isn’t coach of the decade. He’s the coach of the century.” Hard to argue when you take over a team that once rode a 1-36-1 stretch in the 1980’s to one that is 120-38-1 since. Now that’s impressive.
      PLAY AGAINST: as Fav vs Texas A&M

      MISSOURI
      The Tigers knew what they were doing when they hired Gary Pinkel from Toledo three years ago. Thanks to his strong coaching principles and recruiting abilities, he program is certainly on the rise. It should come as no surprise considering disciplinary task master Pinkel was also a 12-year assistant under Don James in his glory years at Washington. Last year he helped the Tigers win eight games for the first time since 1980 (only the 4th time since 1960). Flashy junior QB Brad Smith returns, leading a rushing offense that finished #6 in the nation in 2003. Smith is a legitimate Heisman Trophy candidate who led an offense that was #1 in the nation in turnovers last year (13 in 13 games), and has himself been intercepted only 13 times in 716 pass attempts. Beware of the Tiger.
      PLAY ON: vs Baylor

      NEBRASKA
      As legendary singer Bob Dylan once said, ‘the times, they are a changing’. It was never made so clear than when Bill Callahan was hired away from the Oakland Raiders to assume the duties at Nebraska. In his three-year tenure the Raiders went from the NFL’s #1 ranked team in rushing to the #1 ranked team in passing. And so it will be in Lincoln. That became evident in the spring game when new QB Joe Daily attempted 16 passes – in the first quarter! (Note: the Huskers averaged 15 pass attempts a game last season). In an interesting sidebar, only four other college coaches have gone back to the college scene winning Super Bowl rings – Bill Walsh, Forrest Gregg, Bobby Ross (this year at Army) and Callahan. Like a rolling stone, this team shall gather no moss.
      PLAY ON: vs Kansas State

      OKLAHOMA
      The most successful team in college football this decade, winners of 48 games since 2000 (two more than the Miami Florida), played as the #1 ranked team in polls all throughout the 2003 season up until the Big 12 championship game. They bring 10 starters back from an offense that ranked #3 in the nation in scoring last year, including Heisman Trophy winning quarterback Jason White (granted a 6th year of eligibilty). The loss of defensive coordinator Mark Stoops (head coach Bob’s brother) to Arizona could prove troublesome, though, as they open the season against a string of eight consecutive fellow bowlers. Amazingly, Stoops’ troops are 30-4 SU in head-to-head games against other fellow bowlers this decade. They’ve also held 26 of 31 foes to 17 or less points in home games under his guide. Yeah, we’re impressed.
      PLAY ON: vs Kansas State

      OKLAHOMA STATE
      There’s a new Cowboy on the block n the Big12 and he’s demanding respect. Deservedly so, may we add, as this team has improved each and every year under head coach Les Miles. Two seasons ago he became the first coach in OSU history to defeat both Nebraska and Texas A&M in the same season, while also knocking off Oklahoma. Loaded with no less than 18 returning starters from last year’s nine-win team, OSU now needs to step it up defensively if they are serious about commanding the esteem they crave. If they can’t it will at least help knowing they’ll field an offense that score more than 38 points nine different times last season. Facing only one winning team among their first six opponents affords them such an opportunity. Be there early before the shootouts begin.

      TEXAS
      Senior RB Cedric Benson, the only running back to rush for 1,000 or more yards each of the last three seasons, QB Vince Young, Big 12 Freshman of the Year and LB Derrick Johnson, Mel Kiper’s pick as the top choice in the 2005 NFL draft, form a solid nucleus. The downer, however, is the loss of 19 seniors from that squad. The Longhorns have really come to appreciate all that Mack Brown has brought to Austin. Despite the fact he is 4-9 in bowl games, Big 12 title games and against Oklahoma, he is 54-9 in all other games. He’s also the only active coach with nine or more wins eight straight seasons. He is 32-3 at Royal-Texas Stadium (average 38-14 score) and his teams have been ranked 60 consecutive weeks. Enough said.
      PLAY ON; vs Arkansas (Key if Arkansas off win)

      TEXAS A&M
      It was a rather rude awakening for Dennis Franchione in his debut season with the Aggies last year. Accustomed of late to winning, Franchione took it on the chops when his troops dropped eight of their final ten games to conclude the season. In the process the defense slipped almost 100 yards from the previous year. A&M’s last winning season (2001) saw the defense yield just 285 YPG, a long cry from last year’s effort. He’ll need to make the shoring up of this unit PRIORITY ONE if they wish to turn the corner any time soon. Good news, though, was the emergence of QB Reggie McNeal, an athletic playmaker. He’ll combine with sophomore Courtney Lewis, the first Aggie running back to gain more than 1,000 yards since 1998. A reversal of last year’s 2-10 ATS log wouldn’t surprise.
      PLAY ON: as Dog vs Oklahoma
      PLAY ON: vs UCLA

      TEXAS TECH
      Two years ago head coach Mike Leach lost QB Kliff Kingsbury, who set 17 NCAA records and tied three others. This year he loses QB B.J. Symons hwo shattered Ty Detmer’s NCAA record when he tossed for 5,833 passing yards last year. The fact of the matter is Leach’s ‘system’ will plug in another arm (likely senior Sonny Cumbie) and continue it’s assault on any and all victioms in 2004. They lead the nation in passing and total offense in 2003. More important, though, was the improvement of the defense down the stretch of the season. During the first eight games they ranked 117th in the country, allowing 504 YPG. In the final five games they surrendered just 373 YPG. That, to us, holds more promise than another offensive blitzkrieg. Let’s see how it all shakes out.
      PLAY ON: vs Oklahoma State
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        just thought i'd bump this thread up for anyone who missed it the first time
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