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**rxpert** · 05-31-2004, 01:36 PM

travel system

wouldn't the fact that Toronto also traveld 3 time zones negate this play?
Appreciate the info though

**CoverBoy** · 05-31-2004, 01:49 PM

rxpert

Thanks Expert ... that's a frequently asked Q and the answer is no .... we're targeting the home team here off a long road trip as our victim.

Best of luck .

**savage1** · 05-31-2004, 02:09 PM

FWIW-I like Toronto but not for reason stated(Seattle stinks and Toronto is playing better).
I still don't believe Toronto has advantage you cite, because fact remains Seattle is a west coast team and used to the time zone and this adjustment is easier than for an east coast team like Toronto. which is not used to the time zone change to begin with.
If Seattle had won 5 or 6 games in a row and coming home, I would be playing them especially if Toronto had been playing so-so.
Obviously, above is subject to opinion, but in baseball no one to my knowledge has ever proven that time zone changes outperform fundamental handicapping.
That being said ,good luck with Toronto, as I am playing it also albeit for a differerent reason.

**S49erman** · 05-31-2004, 02:22 PM

rxpert,

I believe the reason they only focus on home teams is that because when a player comes home after being away for awhile he must focus his attention to things other things than baseball (wife or kids or girlfriend or family, or all 4

) And will not be fully focused on the game. I hope that this helps.

-scott

**savage1** · 05-31-2004, 02:44 PM

S49erman-it sounds logical but there is no definitive proof of this.
To put the shoe on the other foot, I have seen picks based on the fact that a team is playing their 3rd game in four nights(applies to basketball and hockey especialy), the plane got in late, blah, blah, blah.
Many times going against those teams has been a losing proposition especially if the team in question is playing well.
In this case Seattle is playing lousy, and I seriously doubt that outcome of tonight's game has very much to do with seeing their girlfriends, kids,etc. or at least givies Toronto, and eastern team , which is also traveling an advantage of hitting a 95 mile per hour fastball, catching a flyball, running from 1st to third on a basehit, etc.
Obviously with Moyer pitching the 95MPH analogy doesn't apply, but principle does.

**timster** · 05-31-2004, 03:08 PM

The results for the system both in basketball and so far in baseball speak for themselves.
Keep up the good work CoverBoy.
It is an interesting point though, that Toronto is playing their first road game in a different time zone. Perhaps CoverBoy could put a * beside the plays where this applies and we could see the results. Common sense would say the system would be weaker in this situation where both teams are playing their first game in a time zone.

**CoverBoy** · 05-31-2004, 03:36 PM

Savage

Wayne's system was 38 - 20 in the NBA last season ... and has yielded 60% winners in MLB in the past . . You can analyze it all you want ... take it apart all you want ..... meanwhile the cash register rings . Being a practical man that's the ONLY thing that ever matters . We all have our methods and there are many ways to skin a cat ... just as long as we all make money.... The only measure of a handicapper is how much money we earn with respect to the amount of time we spend.

For whatever reason this system has been a money maker and I'm not about to delve into the psyche of a professional or collegiate athlete -

Good Luck to you .

**savage1** · 05-31-2004, 04:17 PM

Coverboy or Wayne-can you show me stats that this hit at 60% in baseball over any period of time?;I am not talking about basketball, as latter is a team game.
My point is that in my opinion in baseball the value of the system is diminished because of the nature of game itself and because as stated ,the sharpness needed to play the game and thuswould not bear a visiting team any discernible advantage with time travel(not the science fiction type) and even more so when the team returning home to is natural time zone has a big advantage to one going there and is not used to it.
If someone can show me that this has worked in baseball for any appreciable period of time including this year and has an advantage over everday capping , I will believe it.
For now I regard it as just luck.
Prove to me that it works and I will buy it and use it.
Remember I am betting Toronto tonight because Toronto is playing better now, and because Seattle might not be in a "winning" state of mind, which has nothing to do with traveling 3000 miles.
Good luck to you also.

**CoverBoy** · 05-31-2004, 04:50 PM

Savage

Savage - Wayne worked the NBA with it this past season and he mentioned that the System works well for MLB also . He also added that he wasn't going to do it this season . I volunteered to take over . I asked Wayne about it's history and he replied that it yielded 60% winners .

I have no records or stats on this although I have used it in the past on my own and it made money . I didnt follow it last season because I took 5-6 months off after the SuperBowl for R and R .

So there's where we stand with it as of now and I'll continue to post it every day when there is a side to play on .

It yields 47 plays this season .

**savage1** · 05-31-2004, 05:03 PM

Coverboy-fine- post it and if we are on the same side like tonight, even better.
I am not infallible by any means and actually have a lot more faith in other people's capping ability in my own.
I was merely trying to at least logically state why I have doubts about this system working with baseball as opposed to basketball.
Good luck and lets see what happens.

**frankb03** · 05-31-2004, 09:24 PM

Savage

It's a system that Wayne introduced in bases. He also played the system in the NBA with great success. I don't know the record. That's something Wayne would have to answer. Below is a post from Wayne last baseball season. Look for his post at 8/19/03 10:14 pm.

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