UFC 102...Pain

[WayneChung]

mr pain,help me out on the math brother,if its whatever the risk is to win 3 units on gonzage,you would have to risk 900 to win the 300,if you mean 3 units are all you are risking,then does that mean your 3 unit play on gonzaga,you risk 300 to win 100,but that will affect your math on your results because you are only winning a 1 unit play,assuming you are betting a 100 a unit // i like to play the same way you do,so could you do a sheet of what your plays were on ufc 102 and the amounts bet,won,and lost-THANKS BROTHER,FUCKING COUTURE DOUCHED US !!
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LIKE CHADOS SHEET ABOVE MR PAIN,COULD YOU DO A BREAK DOWN ON YOUR CARD,CAUSE I BASICALLY BROKE EVEN LAST NIGHT,I NEED TO SEE YOUR MATH SO I CAN FIGURE OUT HOW I COULD HAVE CLEARED 3 OR 4 UNITS-thanks my friend,just want to play them the same way you do !!

[poskid]

According to how Pain mapped out his betting strat here's how it should have been worked out

5 units Randy couture (-170) -5 (risk)

3 units Nate Marquardt (-170) +1.76 (risk)

3 units Brandon Vera (-200) +1.5 (risk)

3 units Gabriel Gonzaga (-300) +1 (risk)

1 unit Keith Jardine (-140) -1.4 (Win)

1 unit Todd Duffee (-160) +1 (Win)

Total of -1.14...

Of course he also played a late unposted play on Dunham which isnt supported here. It really doesnt matter as he's very up over the long haul so far. Just trying to figure this out since everyone here seems concerned about it. No worries Pain. It's hard to keep track of these things with the odd juice lines.

BOL

PK

[MR Pain]

mr pain,help me out on the math brother,if its whatever the risk is to win 3 units on gonzage,you would have to risk 900 to win the 300,if you mean 3 units are all you are risking,then does that mean your 3 unit play on gonzaga,you risk 300 to win 100,but that will affect your math on your results because you are only winning a 1 unit play,assuming you are betting a 100 a unit // i like to play the same way you do,so could you do a sheet of what your plays were on ufc 102 and the amounts bet,won,and lost-THANKS BROTHER,FUCKING COUTURE DOUCHED US !!
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LIKE CHADOS SHEET ABOVE MR PAIN,COULD YOU DO A BREAK DOWN ON YOUR CARD,CAUSE I BASICALLY BROKE EVEN LAST NIGHT,I NEED TO SEE YOUR MATH SO I CAN FIGURE OUT HOW I COULD HAVE CLEARED 3 OR 4 UNITS-thanks my friend,just want to play them the same way you do !!

I probably do, do this wrong, but here is your breakdown chunger, this is exactly what i played so if i am doing this wrong with this list correct for me chung or chado, thanks.

A unit = 100

5*randy 510 to win 300 (randy was a 5* it's a risk of 5*) -5.1
3*marquardt 510 to win 300 ( 3* are to win, to win 3*) + 3
3*Vera 600 to win 300 (to win 3) +3
3* Gonzaga 900 to win 300 (to win 3) +3
1* Jardine 140 to win 100 (to win 1) -1.4
1* Duffee 180 to win 100 (to win 1) +1

starting with duffee going up the list this is my math.....

1 - 1.4 = -.4 + 3 = +2.6 + 3 = +5.6 + 3 = +8.6 - 5.1 = +3.5 units. Isn't this right based on my breakdown or am i wrong ?

I realize that most thought randy was a to win 5 units, but it was only a risk of 5 units and i should have stated otherwise as i usually do. (anything above a 3* is to risk, 3* and lower are all to win) I used to put that in all my posts and haven't for a long while now. i will be as specific as possible or i will just give names from now on with no ratings to tell people who i like. seems like that might be easier. i don't want to be costing people because of my stupid math, sorry guys.

[WayneChung]

was not any big deal my friend,i was just like damn i broke even and my pal cleared some profit,could not figure it out ole buddy,usually does not matter because we usually win them all-lol-nog looked pretty good and randy looked rusty last night !!

[MR Pain]

was not any big deal my friend,i was just like damn i broke even and my pal cleared some profit,could not figure it out ole buddy,usually does not matter because we usually win them all-lol-nog looked pretty good and randy looked rusty last night !!

that was a 100% NOG he looked very good, and randy was OK until that graze on the temple, that temple shot is how he lost to lesnar, and that first temple shot is what got NOG that 1st submission. I believe that took randy out of his element, the fact that he didn't get finished by that 1st sub is amazing itself actually, i thought it was done right there. just as randy was getting momentum, NOG rolled him over into a mount easy and that was the turning point as poskid already stated in his thread i agree.

what a coincidence NOG leaves the hospital and joins anderson and lyoto at black house and all 5 fighters that have fought from that camp have won, and looked great, that is the camp that turned Filho around, that dude went from seeing ghosts and having anxiety attacks to submitting the heaviest handed guy in Japan.

i will start posting them on The MMA website chase started. there you can get my picks as well as chase, karsten and a few other guys that IMO break down the sport very well. we have our own website now chung, and the interviews are coming in slowly but they are coming.

[WayneChung]

that was a 100% NOG he looked very good, and randy was OK until that graze on the temple, that temple shot is how he lost to lesnar, and that first temple shot is what got NOG that 1st submission. I believe that took randy out of his element, the fact that he didn't get finished by that 1st sub is amazing itself actually, i thought it was done right there. just as randy was getting momentum, NOG rolled him over into a mount easy and that was the turning point as poskid already stated in his thread i agree.

what a coincidence NOG leaves the hospital and joins anderson and lyoto at black house and all 5 fighters that have fought from that camp have won, and looked great, that is the camp that turned Filho around, that dude went from seeing ghosts and having anxiety attacks to submitting the heaviest handed guy in Japan.

i will start posting them on The MMA website chase started. there you can get my picks as well as chase, karsten and a few other guys that IMO break down the sport very well. we have our own website now chung, and the interviews are coming in slowly but they are coming.

shoot me the site bye email my brother.not too shabby training with lyoto and anderson-LOL !!

[Chado1]

Lesson on counting units 101:

5 units Randy couture (-170) means 170 X 5 = -850

3 units Nate Marquardt (-170) means 100 X 3 = +300

3 units Brandon Vera (-200) means 100 X 3 = +300

3 units Gabriel Gonzaga (-300) means 100 X 3 = +300

1 unit Keith Jardine (-140) means 140 X 1 = -140

1 unit Todd Duffee (-160) means 100 X 1 = +100

-850 (L), +300 (W), +300 (W), +300 (W), -140 (L), +100 (W)

Overall 4-2 for +10 bucks or +0.10 units...

The juice on the biggest play losing killed us...however still eeked out a small profit...thanks brother looking forward to these as always..

Guys read this above carefully. This is and has always been the standard way to calculate units gained and lost.

If you are betting a favorite you are betting the juice to win the unit. i.e -170 is bet 170 bucks to win 100 bucks. If you are betting a dog its always risk 100 bucks to win the hundred bucks profit plus whatever extra dog profit after the hundred. i.e. +150 is bet 100 bucks to win 150 bucks.

Now this is all at one unit a pop. If you are betting more than a unit on a pick its simple grade school multiplication. Multiply the odds by the amount of units. i.e -170 for 5 units means you are betting 170 X 5 so 850 to win 5 units or to win 500. If its a dog at +150 and you are betting 5 units means you are betting 150 X 5 = 750 so 500 to win 7.5 units or +750 of profit....

[Chado1]

According to how Pain mapped out his betting strat here's how it should have been worked out

5 units Randy couture (-170) -5 (risk)

3 units Nate Marquardt (-170) +1.76 (risk)

3 units Brandon Vera (-200) +1.5 (risk)

3 units Gabriel Gonzaga (-300) +1 (risk)

1 unit Keith Jardine (-140) -1.4 (Win)

1 unit Todd Duffee (-160) +1 (Win)

Total of -1.14...

Of course he also played a late unposted play on Dunham which isnt supported here. It really doesnt matter as he's very up over the long haul so far. Just trying to figure this out since everyone here seems concerned about it. No worries Pain. It's hard to keep track of these things with the odd juice lines.

BOL

PK

Since when are units not calculated by to win a unit on favs and to risk a unit on dogs unless stated otherwise?

[Chado1]

I probably do, do this wrong, but here is your breakdown chunger, this is exactly what i played so if i am doing this wrong with this list correct for me chung or chado, thanks.

A unit = 100

5*randy 510 to win 300 (randy was a 5* it's a risk of 5*) -5.1
3*marquardt 510 to win 300 ( 3* are to win, to win 3*) + 3
3*Vera 600 to win 300 (to win 3) +3
3* Gonzaga 900 to win 300 (to win 3) +3
1* Jardine 140 to win 100 (to win 1) -1.4
1* Duffee 180 to win 100 (to win 1) +1

starting with duffee going up the list this is my math.....

1 - 1.4 = -.4 + 3 = +2.6 + 3 = +5.6 + 3 = +8.6 - 5.1 = +3.5 units. Isn't this right based on my breakdown or am i wrong ?

I realize that most thought randy was a to win 5 units, but it was only a risk of 5 units and i should have stated otherwise as i usually do. (anything above a 3* is to risk, 3* and lower are all to win) I used to put that in all my posts and haven't for a long while now. i will be as specific as possible or i will just give names from now on with no ratings to tell people who i like. seems like that might be easier. i don't want to be costing people because of my stupid math, sorry guys.

This is all correct by units calculating standards except what you wrote above for Randy. You said he was a 5 unit play at -170 which would mean to win 5 units so 170 X 5 = 850 to win 500. You have it calculated as a 3 unit play as you say you only put 510 to win 300...

[Dat Boi E]

great job on tha picks, Mr. Pain!

[MR Pain]

This is all correct by units calculating standards except what you wrote above for Randy. You said he was a 5 unit play at -170 which would mean to win 5 units so 170 X 5 = 850 to win 500. You have it calculated as a 3 unit play as you say you only put 510 to win 300...

yes chado i know i already went over this a few times and i figured you might even remember me saying in my early posts unless otherwise indicated or stated or whatever i used to say, the point is, is that I risked 5 units on randy. so you are right it was actually another 3 unit play to win, not a 5 unit to win.

I should have stated the play more specifically, and i usually do like when i take anderson silva or lyoto for example, you have seen me do that before i know you have. my mistake and again sorry for any and all confusion. like i said above if i post i will just throw out names with no ratings of plays from now on so there is no confusion at all.

I will post a name if it wins it wins, if it losses it losses, I don't think i will ever have another mistake or confused moment if i make picks like that.

when i sent you the e-mail did i specify any type of units ? No because i was in such a rush i didn't even know myself (i make plays a month in advance these days, and i have been traveling and training) i just knew who i liked, i sent you 4 names, and 3 of them won, 3 out of 4 ain't bad, and that's what i'll do from now on, just names and people can put what they see fit on it. again sorry for confusion brother.

I'll also be making my picks via video at the new mma website that we have up and running. i'll send you the site brother, you can listen to other guys as knowledgable or even more knowledgable than me make picks also.

again sorry, i deserve a few of these

[KazDog]

yes chado i know i already went over this a few times and i figured you might even remember me saying in my early posts unless otherwise indicated or stated or whatever i used to say, the point is, is that I risked 5 units on randy. so you are right it was actually another 3 unit play to win, not a 5 unit to win.

I should have stated the play more specifically, and i usually do like when i take anderson silva or lyoto for example, you have seen me do that before i know you have. my mistake and again sorry for any and all confusion. like i said above if i post i will just throw out names with no ratings of plays from now on so there is no confusion at all.

I will post a name if it wins it wins, if it losses it losses, I don't think i will ever have another mistake or confused moment if i make picks like that.

when i sent you the e-mail did i specify any type of units ? No because i was in such a rush i didn't even know myself (i make plays a month in advance these days, and i have been traveling and training) i just knew who i liked, i sent you 4 names, and 3 of them won, 3 out of 4 ain't bad, and that's what i'll do from now on, just names and people can put what they see fit on it. again sorry for confusion brother.

I'll also be making my picks via video at the new mma website that we have up and running. i'll send you the site brother, you can listen to other guys as knowledgable or even more knowledgable than me make picks also.

again sorry, i deserve a few of these

Don't sweat it buddy!

Appreciate any pick you throw out there.

I only made one bet on the fight. You guessed it. It was on Couture. I wish I had pkayed the others. Oh well, that's gambling.

Take care man...KAZ

[Chado1]

yes chado i know i already went over this a few times and i figured you might even remember me saying in my early posts unless otherwise indicated or stated or whatever i used to say, the point is, is that I risked 5 units on randy. so you are right it was actually another 3 unit play to win, not a 5 unit to win.

I should have stated the play more specifically, and i usually do like when i take anderson silva or lyoto for example, you have seen me do that before i know you have. my mistake and again sorry for any and all confusion. like i said above if i post i will just throw out names with no ratings of plays from now on so there is no confusion at all.

I will post a name if it wins it wins, if it losses it losses, I don't think i will ever have another mistake or confused moment if i make picks like that.

when i sent you the e-mail did i specify any type of units ? No because i was in such a rush i didn't even know myself (i make plays a month in advance these days, and i have been traveling and training) i just knew who i liked, i sent you 4 names, and 3 of them won, 3 out of 4 ain't bad, and that's what i'll do from now on, just names and people can put what they see fit on it. again sorry for confusion brother.

I'll also be making my picks via video at the new mma website that we have up and running. i'll send you the site brother, you can listen to other guys as knowledgable or even more knowledgable than me make picks also.

again sorry, i deserve a few of these

You dont have to be sorry for anything brother...I made a small profit out of it and have made tons of cash on your UFC picks...was just straightening out how to calculate units as I know you have asked me how to on a few ocassions...hopefullly this gives you a better understanding...keep em coming man talk to you soon!!!

[poskid]

Yeah...I have been a little confused by exactly what you were stating earlier chad. I always throw down picks as RISK. They are never to win. So like yesterday I risked 7 units on Marquardt to win 3.7, 5 units on Couture to win 2.5 and 2 units on Rosholt to win 2.4. I think everyone is a little different. I prefer to always play risk because I'm very risk adverse and more worried about not overextending myself. I will have to make sure that I also put this in my MMA picks from now on.

Thanx

PK