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    DALLAS (AP) - The NBA admitted officials were wrong when they didn't call an intentional foul the Dallas Mavericks were trying to commit before Denver's Carmelo Anthony made a game-winning 3-pointer Saturday.

    Dallas had a two-point lead and a foul to give when Denver inbounded the ball with less than 8 seconds left. Antoine Wright was clearly trying to foul Anthony, and bumped him twice.

    But the whistle never blew and Anthony swished a 3-pointer from in front of the Dallas bench with a second left that gave the Nuggets a 106-105 victory and a 3-0 series lead.

    ``At the end of the Dallas-Denver game this evening, the officials missed an intentional foul committed by Antoine Wright on Carmelo Anthony, just prior to Anthony's three-point basket,'' Joel Litvin, NBA president of league and basketball operations, said in a statement issued by the league about two hours after the game.

    ``It's a shame the game had to come down to this, but that's the way it goes in the NBA sometimes,'' Mavericks owner Mark Cuban said in an e-mail to The Associated Press after the league's statement.

    Cuban was visibly upset on the court after the game, but had declined comment while standing just outside the Mavericks' locker room.

    In the aftermath of the scandal involving former referee Tim Donaghy, the NBA has begun publicly acknowledging certain officiating mistakes.

    Donaghy is serving a prison sentence for betting on games he officiated and taking cash payments from gambling associates for information to help them with bets.

    A day after Game 4 of the Western Conference finals last year, the NBA said a foul should have been called against Derek Fisher of the Los Angeles Lakers on the final possession. That could have given San Antonio a chance to win the game and get even in the series.

    Fisher jumped and came down on Brent Barry in the final seconds of a two-point game. No foul was called and Barry missed badly on a 3-pointer as time expired.

    Mark Wunderlich, one of the three officials for that game last year, was part of the crew for the Denver-Dallas game Saturday night and was the one closest to Wright and Anthony.

    ``I'm almost as disappointed for Mark as I am for us. ... It's a call he makes 100 percent of the time,'' Mavericks coach Rick Carlisle said after Saturday's game.

    Added Wright: ``I was positive a whistle was coming, just like everybody else was positive the whistle was coming. I made a play on the ball like I was told in the huddle, and the call wasn't made. ... I'm upset like everyone else in this locker room, and I feel like we have a right to be upset.''
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  • #2
    For the league to admit its officials made a mistake again is no excuse to continue to employ inadequate,useless officials.Fire this bum Wunderlich.

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    • #3
      This sucks ass for Dallas BUT ..... As far as the spread goes, i HIGHLY doubt it affected anything. Dallas was up 2. If they call the foul, chances are Denver gets the ball in, takes a few steps and fires up another chance at the game winning 3 with no time left If they shoot instantly and miss, you then wonder if there is any chance for Dallas to get a rebound and be fouled before the clock runs out. I think there is virtually no chance that it affected the spread at all. Not when i'm getting 4 points. It sucked for Dallas but that's about it!

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      • #4
        Dallas has nobody to blame but themselves. Fuck that chest-bumping type of fouls. He shoul have grabbed Anthony by the arm so there was no doubt whatsoever he was fouled

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ravenmaniac View Post
          Dallas has nobody to blame but themselves. Fuck that chest-bumping type of fouls. He shoul have grabbed Anthony by the arm so there was no doubt whatsoever he was fouled
          Yeah he tries to grab him, Anthony flops, and they call a flagrant 2. They called 60+ fouls for the entire game. Many of those fouls were much softer than the one Wright tried to commit and it was a situation in which the refs should have expected a foul. A call like that in a big game like this should result in a firing. The Mavs are finished now. You play an 82 game season for what?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by weazel079 View Post
            Yeah he tries to grab him, Anthony flops, and they call a flagrant 2. They called 60+ fouls for the entire game. Many of those fouls were much softer than the one Wright tried to commit and it was a situation in which the refs should have expected a foul. A call like that in a big game like this should result in a firing. The Mavs are finished now. You play an 82 game season for what?

            They said it best on the Sports Reporters this morning. You have to 1ST ... Tell all 3 refs that you have a foul to give and make sure they are looking for it. Nobody saw them do that. 2ND ... You have to simply walk up and basically hug him wrapping your arms around him. He will not fall or flop and the refs will be looking for it the minute contact happens.

            Yes, the refs were at fault but so were the Mavs!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by wayne1218 View Post
              They said it best on the Sports Reporters this morning. You have to 1ST ... Tell all 3 refs that you have a foul to give and make sure they are looking for it. Nobody saw them do that. 2ND ... You have to simply walk up and basically hug him wrapping your arms around him. He will not fall or flop and the refs will be looking for it the minute contact happens.

              Yes, the refs were at fault but so were the Mavs!
              Refs are supposed to be impartial, correct??


              2ndly, dont the rules state THAT YOU MUST PLAY THE BALL?

              If you go and hug the guy without playing the ball, that is a FLAGRANT FOUL which consists of free throws and the ball back, correct??
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              • #8
                Originally posted by wayne1218 View Post
                This sucks ass for Dallas BUT ..... As far as the spread goes, i HIGHLY doubt it affected anything. Dallas was up 2. If they call the foul, chances are Denver gets the ball in, takes a few steps and fires up another chance at the game winning 3 with no time left If they shoot instantly and miss, you then wonder if there is any chance for Dallas to get a rebound and be fouled before the clock runs out. I think there is virtually no chance that it affected the spread at all. Not when i'm getting 4 points. It sucked for Dallas but that's about it!
                i think a lot of people had dallas on the ml.......it also affected 2h bets as the line was dallas -3.......parlays on dallas ml were also killed...so i would say any swing like that affected something

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by insidethe8thpol View Post
                  Refs are supposed to be impartial, correct??


                  2ndly, dont the rules state THAT YOU MUST PLAY THE BALL?

                  If you go and hug the guy without playing the ball, that is a FLAGRANT FOUL which consists of free throws and the ball back, correct??
                  Refs are also FAMOUS for "Letting them play" in the last 10 seconds of a game. Especially in the postseason. Did they know they had a foul to give? Maybe, probably, but you need to point it out directly and make sure they know what is happening. That is on the coach. Once the play started, the refs are in the moment and letting it play out. Should they have called it? No doubt .... BUT you have to put it in their head too and cover all your bases.

                  Also, if you wrap a guy up, you can easily reach towards the ball. We have seen it a million times, they will not call a flagarant foul if they know what's happening and if you don't knock the guy in to row 10. C'mon now!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DAREALDEAL View Post
                    i think a lot of people had dallas on the ml.......it also affected 2h bets as the line was dallas -3.......parlays on dallas ml were also killed...so i would say any swing like that affected something
                    I'm sure it did but don't we, as sports fans, see horrible calls every day? I know i do but you can't cap it. All you can do is move on. If it affects someone that badly, maybe they are quite honestly in over their head to begin with.

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                    • #11
                      Also, the one ref on the ball may have had no clue that they had one foul to give. Maybe he didn't look like the coach does and the ref really has no reason to. That is why the coach has to inform him about it.

                      If the ref didn't know, he probably figured the LAST thing he was going to do was call a foul on Dallas, in Dallas, giving the Nuggets a chance to tie it from the line with 1 or 2 seconds left. I think that is what really happened. If he had been told to look for it, the minute contact happens, the whistle blows.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by wayne1218 View Post
                        This sucks ass for Dallas BUT ..... As far as the spread goes, i HIGHLY doubt it affected anything. Dallas was up 2. If they call the foul, chances are Denver gets the ball in, takes a few steps and fires up another chance at the game winning 3 with no time left If they shoot instantly and miss, you then wonder if there is any chance for Dallas to get a rebound and be fouled before the clock runs out. I think there is virtually no chance that it affected the spread at all. Not when i'm getting 4 points. It sucked for Dallas but that's about it!
                        Not true, those of us who had plays on the second half Dallas -4 got screwed....big time. We needed Dallas to win by 2 or push with a 1-point win.

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                        • #13
                          I just saw the Carlisle press conference again and he said it ... "I assumed the refs knew we had a foul to give."

                          2 things. That means you definately did not talk to the refs about it and you never assume.

                          Now Magic Johnson and Jon Barry are both putting this on the Mavericks shoulders, saying it was their own fault for not handling the situation like they should have and i totally agree.
                          Last edited by wayne1218; 05-10-2009, 11:13 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mark Richt View Post
                            Not true, those of us who had plays on the second half Dallas -4 got screwed....big time. We needed Dallas to win by 2 or push with a 1-point win.
                            I'm sure people did get screwed. It happens to me almost daily on something though like i said in post 10. If i created threads to bitch about it every time, you all would call me trimsknows!

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                            • #15
                              The play at the end of the game may noy have affected who was going to cover(fav or dog), , but it did affect the total.

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