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  • Manny Rejects Dodgers' Offer $25 Million

    LA doesn't close door on Manny

    By Jayson Stark
    ESPN.com
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    Two offers and two rejections later, the Dodgers still want to bring back Manny Ramirez. But they're not prepared to wait indefinitely.


    "We still have interest in signing Manny," Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti told ESPN.com on Tuesday, in the wake of Ramirez giving a thumbs down to the one-year, $25 million offer the team made Monday.

    "Right now we don't have a deadline," Colletti went on, "but that doesn't mean we're not going to have a deadline. These situations can change in an instant, and anybody can change them in an instant."

    So far, the Dodgers haven't done much more than maintain regular contact with the agents for outfielders Adam Dunn and Bobby Abreu, who represent their Plan B attack if they can't re-sign Ramirez. But as the clock ticks and spring training draws closer, they may need to rethink that strategy.

    They clearly intended their one-year offer to be a signal to Ramirez that they want him back, and they're prepared to make him the second-highest paid player in baseball this year, behind only Alex Rodriguez.

    But in rejecting that offer, Ramirez and agent Scott Boras sent signals of their own -- that they're still looking for four to five years, at $25 million a year, and they believe they have other teams willing to pay that.

    Boras and the Dodgers have haggled since November over Ramirez's worth, but have been hung up mostly because they disagree on the length of the contract. So far, no team has shown any public willingness to sign Ramirez to a deal that rich that would take him through age 40. And no other team would seem to have $25 million or more sitting around in its checking account even for one year.

    Judged only by the average annual value of the contract, the one-year deal the Dodgers offered would have made Ramirez the highest-paid outfielder in baseball history, and also would have been a step up from the Dodgers' previous offer.

    On Election Day, the club offered Ramirez $15 million for the 2009 season, $22.5 million in 2010 and a $7.5 million buyout or $22.5 million club option for 2011. So that contract would have maxed out at $60 million over three years if the Dodgers picked up the option.

    However, Boras and Ramirez didn't respond to that offer, later rejected the Dodgers' offer of arbitration and now have turned down a one-year deal. So even though there have been no indications that Ramirez has any other serious bidders, the rejection of this latest offer suggests that their quest for that four- or five-year contract hasn't changed.

    Nevertheless, the only other club that has publicly admitted interest in Ramirez -- the San Francisco Giants -- also prefers a one-year deal. And given that the Giants' payroll is already in the neighborhood of $90 million, the highest in the history of the franchise, it's difficult to imagine they would be willing to offer Ramirez more than $25 million.

    Meanwhile, the New York Yankees, Los Angeles Angels and New York Mets have all indicated in recent days that they're not interested. So where Ramirez -- and the Dodgers -- go from here is as unclear as ever.

    Jayson Stark is a senior baseball writer for ESPN.com.

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    Giants could ultimately be in mix for Manny

    Saturday, January 31, 2009 | Feedback | Print Entry

    Only Scott Boras knows for sure what offers Manny Ramirez may or may not have, but it appears that the San Francisco Giants are the only team standing between Ramirez and a capitulation that the slugger might feel is utterly embarrassing.


    The Dodgers made a $45 million offer to Ramirez in November and then withdrew it when Boras did not respond, and then the Dodgers made an offer of arbitration, and again, Boras did not respond, according to L.A. officials. So the Dodgers sat back and waited for any other serious bidder for Ramirez to emerge, waited to see if there was any reason to extend their own offer.

    Lo and behold, the Giants have emerged as players in this bidding. But it remains to be seen whether they are going to be shoving big chips at Ramirez, or if they're just hanging in the thing to position themselves in the event Ramirez gets so frustrated with the Dodgers that he'll walk away from L.A., at any price. It's possible the Giants are not really bidding up Ramirez, but just hoping that a Hall of Fame bargain with a chip on his shoulder drops in their lap.

    "We're still talking to him," Giants president Larry Baer said on Friday, "and we have interest. But it's one of those things where it's got to fit.

    "Manny fits in one respect -- most obvious respect and probably the most important respect. He's a great cleanup hitter. But you have to look at the rest of it, how the contract fits, how the defense fits … On one hand, we'd like to do it, but we believe we've improved the team considerably."

    The addition of Randy Johnson, Baer believes, could shore up the back end of the San Francisco rotation, which dragged down the team in 2008. The Giants struck quickly in the relief market and signed Jeremy Affeldt and Bobby Howry, to shore up their bullpen, and they believe that shortstop Edgar Renteria will be in much better shape this year, and therefore a much better player. They've also got a full complement of outfielders, with Aaron Rowand set to be flanked by Randy Winn, Fred Lewis, Dave Roberts and others.

    They'll alter those plans, of course, if any Ramirez deal is right for them. "We'd like to push the button on Manny," Baer said, "but we have to do it the way we want to do it."

    Executives with other teams do not believe the Giants are serious players in the Manny bidding. They think San Francisco's real intent is to keep the Dodgers honest, to force them to give Ramirez at least a two-year deal. And if somehow Ramirez gets angered by the Dodgers' level of interest and decides to deliver himself to their division rival, well, all the better for the Giants.

    A problem for Ramirez and Boras is that the Dodgers simply won't be pushed too far because market forces completely undercut Team Manny: The Dodgers can operate with the knowledge that if they don't get Ramirez, they could conceivably sign two really good players for the price of what they have offered Ramirez -- and the corner outfield market remains loaded with attractive alternatives, from Adam Dunn to Bobby Abreu to Garret Anderson, etc., etc. The Dodgers are going to get a really good hitter, one way or another, and they'll probably get Ramirez, at their price, just as the Red Sox got Jason Varitek at their price.

    And the reality is that this late in the winter, the Dodgers might be the only team with $20 million available to spend on one player. "Who the hell has $20 million to $25 million available this time of year?" said one high-ranking executive this week.

    Some rival executives believe that the Dodgers could offer a two-year, $30 million deal to Ramirez and still have the highest bid on the table -- and of course, two years and $30 million would represent less money than Ramirez would have made had he just stayed with the Red Sox. But part of the discussion within the L.A. front office has been about what number would completely embarrass Ramirez to the point that he would roll over on his team, the way he did in Boston.

    Boras could not have been thrilled with Albert Pujols' reporting skills this week: In the same week Boras said the Manny market was heating up, Pujols said Manny told him no teams are bidding on him.

    Giants could ultimately be in mix for Manny - ESPN

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    • #3
      Fuck Manny. Hope no one signs his punk ass

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      • #4
        Boras is a douchebag.

        Manny goes back to Boston for 10 mil and all the baked beans he can eat
        He who wears diaper knows his shit - Confucius

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        • #5
          I don't care that he was a great player for the Red Sox;he is one greedy SOB egged on by an agent who if it were somehow possible, should be banned from baseball and/or at the very least not dealt with by any team in baseball.
          I am glad that just about every team realizes that at this point that Manny is not worth a 4 year contract because of his age and just as importantly because of the possible negativity and disruption he might bring with him.

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          • #6
            Must be nice to be so fucking rich you can turn down 25 mil a year

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            • #7
              Originally posted by kbsooner21 View Post
              Fuck Manny. Hope no one signs his punk ass
              Ditto!!!

              Everyone loved him in L.A. and they all wondered why Boston fans were so bitter with him. Well, people are starting to see why and teams are treating him like the plague.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by kbsooner21 View Post
                Must be nice to be so fucking rich you can turn down 25 mil a year
                In the economy we are in, i said to someone today, "How bad does Manny look by being offended by a 1 Year 25 million deal?"

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                • #9
                  give him 3 yrs 60 mill offer if he says no move on.
                  How many more titles will the Yankees try to buy it never ends.

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                  • #10
                    im a dodger fan but manny can eat a dick if he doesnt take the money he is being offered....gas is down now bitch!!!

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                    • #11
                      25 mill to play a season of baseball and says no....I thought he loved LA!!!

                      Hope he gets run over by a fuckin truck or Chados new girl!!
                      Nothing is as far away as one minute ago.

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                      • #12
                        Anybody else starting to hate baseball??? Between Joe Torre, steroids, the Yankees spending spree, the Yankees in general, and this asshole, its all getting pretty stupid.
                        "CFB YTD: 5-8-1 -16.2"

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