How does Big Ben not win MVP?

[mavskidd02]

I don't get how you guys keep calling it a one catch MVP. Holmes was a huge part of that whole drive. That 40 yard catch and run that brought it to 1st and goal was HUGE with 1:02 left. He also caught a 14 yard pass on 1st & 20 and a 13 yard pass on 3rd & 6 in that drive to go with the amazing catch to win it. Holmes had big catches in almost every drive. It was a nice last drive by Ben but none of his numbers in the game stood out at all.

Certainly in no way would I call this a "one catch mvp", but the 14 yard completion was due at first to Ben's eluding of two, three pass rushers. The 40 yard catch and run was all Santonio. But the catch that everyone is calling amazing is severely overshadowing the quality of throw that was made. Three defenders were blanketed around Holmes, and Ben made an unbelievable throw.

And while this was not a "one catch MVP", it certainly seems to be a one drive MVP, while Ben managed the entire game with minimal mistakes. Ben played an unbelievable game, very hard to take the award away from him.

[KazDog]

I'm not catching your point on Warner having a better game. The dispute is between Holmes and Ben, I don't see how Warner has anything to do with it. Fill me in on what ya' mean there kaz.

I guess it's a 'like' comparison. It's who you have to compare Ben with. His counterpart had a much better game against a much better defense. Ben struggled many times to get it in the end zone. So if you're trying to figure out who your MVP is, you are going to say, his counterpart had a much better game, which dilutes Ben's vote and status as an MVP.

Holmes makes a game winning catch that decided it and as Wayne alluded to, many great plays on that drive alone. His 131 yards receiving was also MVP quality.....

KAZ

[wayne1218]

Certainly in no way would I call this a "one catch mvp", but the 14 yard completion was due at first to Ben's eluding of two, three pass rushers. The 40 yard catch and run was all Santonio. But the catch that everyone is calling amazing is severely overshadowing the quality of throw that was made. Three defenders were blanketed around Holmes, and Ben made an unbelievable throw.

And while this was not a "one catch MVP", it certainly seems to be a one drive MVP, while Ben managed the entire game with minimal mistakes. Ben played an unbelievable game, very hard to take the award away from him.

It was a great throw by Ben but he was standing with feet planted and an open look. He threw it up there and hoped for the best. He even said in the post game that he thought it was going to be intercepted. He said that. The amazing part of that play was all Holmes. How he could go higher than the 3 other guys charging him, catch that ball and then touch 2 toes inside the chalk was simply spectacular. When i first saw it live, i said no way he caught that. I then said no way his feet were down. I could not believe it after seeing the replay. I never said what a great throw. Ben threw it up there and Holmes owned it!

[jcindaville]

It was a great throw by Ben but he was standing with feet planted and an open look. He threw it up there and hoped for the best. He even said in the post game that he thought it was going to be intercepted. He said that. The amazing part of that play was all Holmes. How he could go higher than the 3 other guys charging him, catch that ball and then touch 2 toes inside the chalk was simply spectacular. When i first saw it live, i said no way he caught that. I then said no way his feet were down. I could not believe it after seeing the replay. I never said what a great throw. Ben threw it up there and Holmes owned it!

Amazing catch IMO, i thought the same thing, no way he stayed inbounds. The freak did.....I might become a buckeye fan now.

Arizona played their ass off!

[wayne1218]

Amazing catch IMO, i thought the same thing, no way he stayed inbounds. The freak did.....I might become a buckeye fan now.

Arizona played their ass off!

It was a great game jc. It was much better than i expected. The last qtr. was great!

[aplous]

I guess it's a 'like' comparison. It's who you have to compare Ben with. His counterpart had a much better game against a much better defense. Ben struggled many times to get it in the end zone. So if you're trying to figure out who your MVP is, you are going to say, his counterpart had a much better game, which dilutes Ben's vote and status as an MVP.

Holmes makes a game winning catch that decided it and as Wayne alluded to, many great plays on that drive alone. His 131 yards receiving was also MVP quality.....

KAZ

Ben's counterpart gave the game away with a 10-14 pt swing on 1 play. The Harrison pick killed Zona. They win without that play.

Holmes deserved the MVP. He made so many brilliant catches and runs. Not to mention the sick deflected catch on 3rd and 10 from their own endzone that he made that got called back due to the holding in the endzone.

Half of Pitt's offense all night was throw it out to him 1 on 1 and let him create.

[mavskidd02]

It was a great throw by Ben but he was standing with feet planted and an open look. He threw it up there and hoped for the best. He even said in the post game that he thought it was going to be intercepted. He said that. The amazing part of that play was all Holmes. How he could go higher than the 3 other guys charging him, catch that ball and then touch 2 toes inside the chalk was simply spectacular. When i first saw it live, i said no way he caught that. I then said no way his feet were down. I could not believe it after seeing the replay. I never said what a great throw. Ben threw it up there and Holmes owned it!

I don't think it was a "throw it up and hope for the best throw", that ball was placed, where Holmes could catch it, and no one else could get a finger it on it. But that is just a difference of opinion, where I say skill, and you say luck.

My point here is that, one catch, or one drives worth of catches, while it can be called game winning, isn't all that wins a game. This was a game where, without argument, the Steelers defense didn't play as well as they normally do (barring the INT return). The D gave up 400+ yards, and more than 20 points. During the regular season when this D gave up more than 20 points, Pitt was 1-3. After all the statistical bullshit my point here is that: the offense had to play and a much higher caliber than they normally had to. And normally when faced with having to put up so many points, they did not fare well. But here, Ben led the offense to play high above what they normally had to to win, especially in a game where his running game was non-existant. IMO it was an absolutely amazing performance throughout the entire game, which was overshadowed by one drive or even one play.

[ntorreg88]

Big Ben is a big baby, and he in no way deserved the mvp .. without his receivers and defense at the end of 1st half that drive means nothing ....

[wayne1218]

I don't think it was a "throw it up and hope for the best throw", that ball was placed, where Holmes could catch it, and no one else could get a finger it on it. But that is just a difference of opinion, where I say skill, and you say luck.

My point here is that, one catch, or one drives worth of catches, while it can be called game winning, isn't all that wins a game. This was a game where, without argument, the Steelers defense didn't play as well as they normally do (barring the INT return). The D gave up 400+ yards, and more than 20 points. During the regular season when this D gave up more than 20 points, Pitt was 1-3. After all the statistical bullshit my point here is that: the offense had to play and a much higher caliber than they normally had to. And normally when faced with having to put up so many points, they did not fare well. But here, Ben led the offense to play high above what they normally had to to win, especially in a game where his running game was non-existant. IMO it was an absolutely amazing performance throughout the entire game, which was overshadowed by one drive or even one play.

Numbers. His numbers earned nothing near a MVP Award. Holmes made Ben on that final drive more than Ben made him. When the game ended, i said right away Holmes for MVP. Ben's numbers were average at best and not MVP worthy at all. Holmes had great numbers and THE Spectacular catch. In my opinion, it was an easy choice.

[kbsooner21]

Gentle Ben is the worst quarterback to win 2 rings. Unreal...

[wayne1218]

Gentle Ben is the worst quarterback to win 2 rings. Unreal...

I agree. He did nothing to wow me yesterday and Holmes did.

[KazDog]

Ben's counterpart gave the game away with a 10-14 pt swing on 1 play. The Harrison pick killed Zona. They win without that play.

Holmes deserved the MVP. He made so many brilliant catches and runs. Not to mention the sick deflected catch on 3rd and 10 from their own endzone that he made that got called back due to the holding in the endzone.

Half of Pitt's offense all night was throw it out to him 1 on 1 and let him create.

I'm not saying Warner deserved the MVP at all. But, he had a much better game statistically than Ben which diluted Ben's bid to get the MVP in my opinion. The comparison is for debating purposes only or maybe not. I can't say for sure.

KAZ

[ntorreg88]

Gentle Ben is the worst quarterback to win 2 rings. Unreal...

I agree also.. big ben is an average querterback with alot of help from the rest of his team..

[wayne1218]

I'm not saying Warner deserved the MVP at all. But, he had a much better game statistically than Ben which diluted Ben's bid to get the MVP in my opinion. The comparison is for debating purposes only or maybe not. I can't say for sure.

KAZ

I agree Kaz. Warner made one crucial bad read but other than that, what a great game. He had 3 td passes and 1 pick, along with almost 400 yards against what was said to be the best defense in football. We've seen the Arizona defense treated like that but not Pittsburgh.

[KazDog]

I don't think it was a "throw it up and hope for the best throw", that ball was placed, where Holmes could catch it, and no one else could get a finger it on it. But that is just a difference of opinion, where I say skill, and you say luck.

My point here is that, one catch, or one drives worth of catches, while it can be called game winning, isn't all that wins a game. This was a game where, without argument, the Steelers defense didn't play as well as they normally do (barring the INT return). The D gave up 400+ yards, and more than 20 points. During the regular season when this D gave up more than 20 points, Pitt was 1-3. After all the statistical bullshit my point here is that: the offense had to play and a much higher caliber than they normally had to. And normally when faced with having to put up so many points, they did not fare well. But here, Ben led the offense to play high above what they normally had to to win, especially in a game where his running game was non-existant. IMO it was an absolutely amazing performance throughout the entire game, which was overshadowed by one drive or even one play.

How many times did they have the ball at the goal line and couldn't score? 3 times if you count the do over because of the pathetic call on the holder Settling for a FG in each. So that inability to score has to come on the shoulders of Ben. Sorry, it just just. Pitt should have had many more points than they did against that defense......

KAZ