Current World Series Odds

[wayne1218]

The Rockies (As good as they finished), are not a great example. Did they Win last year?

[MtrCtyPimp]

The Rockies (As good as they finished), are not a great example. Did they Win last year?

We are talking about this year...chalk won last year....and I gave an example of dead team a month before the playoffs that won it all was the Giants. Hell they were 5-1 at the Super Bowl....2.5-1 in teh NFC Title game, 2.5 at Dallas, 2-1 at Tampa.

If you just moneylined the Giants every game in the playoffs last year you got back over 80-1 on the investement......

Am I saying that the Rockies will win it at 65-1, no. What I am saying is that Colorado at 65-1 has just as good a shot of winning the WS and the Yanks do at 7-1.

PEACE

[wayne1218]

If you just moneylined the Giants every game in the playoffs last year you got back over 80-1 on the investement......



PEACE

Yes, but if you do that with every team, you lose. How do you know who to pick and choose? After the fact, it is always easy to see.

[MtrCtyPimp]

Yes, but if you do that with every team, you lose. How do you know who to pick and choose? After the fact, it is always easy to see.

You dont do that with every team....you pick 1 or 2 to back in futures, you cant back them all.

Im just saying you can get 7-1 with the Yanks after they clinch a playoff spot....why on earth would anyone bet them at 7-1 now is my point...makes no sense.

You will not get 65-1 or 90-1 if the Braves or Rockies happen to clinch a playoff spot.....im not even trying to prove a point with this as if this were my opinion.....this is simple math.

PEACE

[savage1]

In my mind its like a horse race.
I have no problem in someone betting a few bucks on a couple of longshots at this time.
I do think however if you are going to do that, you should also bet more money on a couple of good teams which have a much better chance of winning the WS.
Thus if somone wants to bet say $10 on big longshots such as Colorado and Atlanta, then he should bet/hedge $50 or $100 on at least one good team at shorter odds.
If Yankees stay on the roll there are on now or even close to it, I guarantee you won't get anything close to 7-1 odds once they clinch a playoff spot;as I said before, the odds dropped just overnight dropped from 7-1 to 5-1.
No, the odds are not the 17-1 they were at one time, but I still see plenty of value in bettign them.
To use another analogy, if a stock goes from $5 to $10 in a short time and shows plenty of promise, does that mean I should not buy it because I did not buy it at $5?
If stock takes off and goes to $15, $20 or even higher and I buy it at $10, by my way of thinking there was still plenty of value at $10.
I see plenty of value for Yankees at 7-1 because I firmly believe they will make playoffs and perhaps even win the WS this year.
Obviously we are talking principles here, because I bet a measly $100 on them (and a little less on the Angels) and whether make the playoffs and possibly WS, it is not going to change my life.

[MtrCtyPimp]

Savage at 5-1 the Yankees are a rip off.

First off they have to make the playoffs for you to even have a chance and thats no lock....lets assume for sake of arguement they do make the playoffs along with say the Red Sox, White Sox and Angels.

Ill even be generous and say the Yankees will win the disvision and open at home vs the White Sox. Odds for a 5 game series vs the White Sox with the Yanks at home will be in the neighborhood of -170 ish.

Now lets say they win that and they face the Red Sox (wild card) at home for a 7 game series. Lets say they are -130 ish for that.

Lets say they beat the Red Sox and next face the Cubs in the world series in which the Yanks get home field.....Yanks will be -150 ish.

This is a best case scenario for the Yankees...lets say you invest 100 vs the White Sox, reinvest stake and winnings vs the Red Sox and once again vs the Cubs.

Your 100 would turn into approx 470 using these odds which would be much better if the Yanks had to play on the road in the AL playoffs.

I ask you again why would anyone in their right mind invest in the Yanks in July at 5-1 when you can invest in them in the playoffs at +370 at a minimum....makes no sense at all.

If you think the Yankees will win the world series wait for them to make the playoffs and then parlay their series wagers from round to round.....betting them at the All Star break at 17-1 was ok but now it makes no sense.

To use your stock analogy its like you have just bought a stock at an all time peak and there isnt much room for growth.

I hope what I said makes sense.

PEACE

[savage1]

Obviously the risk/reward ratio is better with Colorado and the Braves, but on the other hand, the odds are as high as they are for a reason, and all things considered, I don't think the odds are off.
Also, your parlaying analogy is based on your perception of what YOU think odds will be if Yanks make playoffs;to use an example, who's to say Yanks will be only Minus 170 in first round, Minus 130 in second round or only Minus 150 in WS if they blow the doors out of someone in the first round and the second round-there is no guarantee you will get as much as +470 if you parlay with original amounts wagered.
Its all about perception about how Yanks and other teams will play between now and end of year.
If you knew for sure what odds would be in each series should Yankees make the playoffs, then I could see your analogy better
Don't forget that last year Red sox were well over a 2-1 favorite in the WS over Colorado even though the Rocklies had won 21 of 22 and defeated Red Sox two of three during regular season at Fenway;if Yankees were overwhelming favorites in each round, then your +470 risking the $100 would not hold up.
Again, if you want to take a longshot or two and have some fun, I think that's great, but at the same time I think it is prudent to take at least one team with decent odds(this is where we disagree) who is in a much better position to make the playoffs and win ws than are the longshots.
ps I took 7/1 on Yanks and not 5-1 -there is a difference, obviously bigger and more obvious if you are betting thousands and not just $100.

[savage1]

Here are the latest odds to win WS and pennant:

10201 ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS +1235
10202 ATLANTA BRAVES +15000
10203 BALTIMORE ORIOLES +15000
10204 BOSTON RED SOX +500
10205 CHICAGO CUBS +415
10206 CHICAGO WHITE SOX +800
10207 CINCINNATI REDS +35000
10208 CLEVELAND INDIANS +16000
10209 COLORADO ROCKIES +6800
10210 DETROIT TIGERS +3400
10211 FLORIDA MARLINS +2160
10212 HOUSTON ASTROS +35000
10213 KANSAS CITY ROYALS +17500
10214 LOS ANGELES ANGELS +450
10215 LOS ANGELES DODGERS +1335
10216 MILWAUKEE BREWERS +765
10217 MINNESOTA TWINS +1800
10218 NEW YORK METS +890
10219 NEW YORK YANKEES +500
10220 OAKLAND ATHLETICS +9000
10221 PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES +815
10222 PITTSBURGH PIRATES +35000
10223 SAN DIEGO PADRES +35000
10224 SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS +17500
10225 SEATTLE MARINERS +150000
10226 ST. LOUIS CARDINALS +2160
10227 TAMPA BAY DEVIL RAYS +865
10228 TEXAS RANGERS +7500
10229 TORONTO BLUE JAYS +7500
10230 WASHINGTON NATIONALS +200000

7:10 PM TEAM TO WIN 2008 AMERICAN LEAGUE PENNANT
10231 BALTIMORE ORIOLES +9500
10232 BOSTON RED SOX +320
10233 CHICAGO WHITE SOX +425
10234 CLEVELAND INDIANS +9000
10235 DETROIT TIGERS +2000
10236 KANSAS CITY ROYALS +10000
10237 LOS ANGELES ANGELS +250
10238 MINNESOTA TWINS +1060
10239 NEW YORK YANKEES +320
10240 OAKLAND ATHLETICS +5000
10241 SEATTLE MARINERS +100000
10242 TAMPA BAY DEVIL RAYS +470
10243 TEXAS RANGERS +4000
10244 TORONTO BLUE JAYS +4500

7:10 PM TEAMS TO WIN 2008 NATIONAL LEAGUE PENNANT
10245 ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS +635
10246 ATLANTA BRAVES +9000
10247 CHICAGO CUBS +215
10248 CINCINNATI REDS +20000
10249 COLORADO ROCKIES +3600
10250 FLORIDA MARLINS +1100
10251 HOUSTON ASTROS +20000
10252 LOS ANGELES DODGERS +685
10253 MILWAUKEE BREWERS +450
10254 NEW YORK METS +460
10255 PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES +450
10256 PITTSBURGH PIRATES +20000
10257 SAN DIEGO PADRES +20000
10258 SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS +10000
10259 ST. LOUIS CARDINALS +1100
10260 WASHINGTON NATIONALS +100000

[savage1]

Here are the most current odds-it looks like I threw away my bet on the Yankees but have been adding right along on the Angels.
Dodgers night be a good longshot at this point-if they win their division, the who knows. They have Manny afterall, who is really lighting it up(in spite of that "outstanding" NL pitching-lol)

2008 WORLD SERIES WINNER
10201 ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS +1180
10202 ATLANTA BRAVES +19000
10203 BALTIMORE ORIOLES +35000
10204 BOSTON RED SOX +495
10205 CHICAGO CUBS +365
10206 CHICAGO WHITE SOX +1100
10207 CINCINNATI REDS +37500
10208 CLEVELAND INDIANS +35000
10209 COLORADO ROCKIES +10000
10210 DETROIT TIGERS +8500
10211 FLORIDA MARLINS +1950
10212 HOUSTON ASTROS +16500
10213 KANSAS CITY ROYALS +35000
10214 LOS ANGELES ANGELS +325
10215 LOS ANGELES DODGERS +1180
10216 MILWAUKEE BREWERS +750
10217 MINNESOTA TWINS +1100
10218 NEW YORK METS +1000
10219 NEW YORK YANKEES +1125
10220 OAKLAND ATHLETICS +35000
10221 PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES +775
10222 PITTSBURGH PIRATES +37500
10223 SAN DIEGO PADRES +37500
10224 SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS +15000
10225 SEATTLE MARINERS +190000
10226 ST. LOUIS CARDINALS +4500
10227 TAMPA BAY DEVIL RAYS +500
10228 TEXAS RANGERS +14000
10229 TORONTO BLUE JAYS +12000
10230 WASHINGTON NATIONALS +200000

4:00 PM TEAM TO WIN 2008 AMERICAN LEAGUE PENNANT
10231 BALTIMORE ORIOLES +20000
10232 BOSTON RED SOX +265
10233 CHICAGO WHITE SOX +600
10234 CLEVELAND INDIANS +20000
10235 DETROIT TIGERS +5500
10236 KANSAS CITY ROYALS +20000
10237 LOS ANGELES ANGELS +205
10238 MINNESOTA TWINS +595
10239 NEW YORK YANKEES +640
10240 OAKLAND ATHLETICS +20000
10241 SEATTLE MARINERS +100000
10242 TAMPA BAY DEVIL RAYS +270
10243 TEXAS RANGERS +8000
10244 TORONTO BLUE JAYS +7000

4:00 PM TEAMS TO WIN 2008 NATIONAL LEAGUE PENNANT
10245 ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS +600
10246 ATLANTA BRAVES +10000
10247 CHICAGO CUBS +215
10248 CINCINNATI REDS +20000
10249 COLORADO ROCKIES +7000
10250 FLORIDA MARLINS +1000
10251 HOUSTON ASTROS +9000
10252 LOS ANGELES DODGERS +600
10253 MILWAUKEE BREWERS +390
10254 NEW YORK METS +520
10255 PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES +400
10256 PITTSBURGH PIRATES +20000
10257 SAN DIEGO PADRES +20000
10258 SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS +9000
10259 ST. LOUIS CARDINALS +2490
10260 WASHINGTON NATIONALS +100000

[BigWeiner]

I like the D'Backs. Dunn is huge, one of the only real power hitters in the game, exactly what they needed. Webb and Haren are great, Randy's been pitching good. They need to get Scherzer in their rotation. Hudson out hurts, but they should sacrifice defense for O, and put Reynolds at 2B.

CF Chris Young
SS S. Drew
1B C. Jackson
RF A. Dunn
2B M. Reynolds
3B C. Tracy
LF J. Upton when he comes back
C C. Synder

Bullpen is solid with Rauch, Pena, Qualls, Lyon, and Cruz

[savage1]

Boy this Tigers team really sucks-no wonder they are +8500 to win World Series and +5500 to win pennant.
Dombrowski should have his named changed to DUMBrowski-he sure as heck doesn't have much of a clue how to construct a team other than for one flukie season or so, and even then, they couldn't defeat an inferior 500 NL team in the WS.
I am sure glad that this guy is not in charge of making decisions for the Red sox.

[frankb03]

I find it interesting that there's a 120 difference between Mets and Phils for the NL title. I would have thought it would have been closer.

[savage1]

Here you go with the latest pennant and WS odds:

FUTURESMLB FUTURES - Sep 29
11:05 AM 2008 WORLD SERIES WINNER
10204 BOSTON RED SOX +350
10205 CHICAGO CUBS +350
10206 CHICAGO WHITE SOX +2300
10214 LOS ANGELES ANGELS +370
10215 LOS ANGELES DODGERS +1440
10216 MILWAUKEE BREWERS +1675
10217 MINNESOTA TWINS +2000
10221 PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES +525
10227 TAMPA BAY DEVIL RAYS +450

11:05 AM TEAM TO WIN 2008 AMERICAN LEAGUE PENNANT
10232 BOSTON RED SOX +210
10233 CHICAGO WHITE SOX +950
10237 LOS ANGELES ANGELS +220
10238 MINNESOTA TWINS +760
10242 TAMPA BAY DEVIL RAYS +220

11:05 AM TEAMS TO WIN 2008 NATIONAL LEAGUE PENNANT
10247 CHICAGO CUBS +170
10252 LOS ANGELES DODGERS +400
10253 MILWAUKEE BREWERS +400
10255 PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES +195

I am quite surprised the Red Sox are rated ahead of the Angels to win both the pennant and WS.
Angels won 8 of 9 from Sox this year, and latter still have key injuries to Lowell and Drew;without them healthy I think it will be next to impossible for them to win.
Even though as I have stated before, I still think the AL is still a better league top to bottom than the NL, the NL odds seem reasonable for the Cubs,, and perhaps this could be the year;I do think Rays should be rated ahead of the Red Sox in the AL.
I still think the best value out there by far are the Dodgers.
Obviously, the tough hurdling block are the Cubs in the first round.
They have Manny and other guys who know the ropes and have been around, and they should to prove to be a worthy opponent to anyone they play.
In the AL, even though I bet the Angels a while back to win it all, it would be no shocker if the Rays make it to the WS.

[savage1]

ps I forgot to mention that Beckett isn't healthy either, and won't pitch until game 3.
The Sox are popular team, and line for Angels probably won't be as high it should be.
If I were a linemaker, all things considered, I would make the series line on Angels over Red Sox at -220 or maybe even -250.

[savage1]

Check out these series odds:

MLB - SERIESMLB - SERIES - Oct 01
12:00 PM 993 DODGERS SERIES +190
994 CUBS SERIES -230

12:00 PM 995 RED SOX SERIES +105
996 ANGELS SERIES -125

Now Dodgers are +1150 to win WS(it was +1460) yesterday.
What is wrong if anything with my logic here?
I believe that if Dodgers get by Cubs, they will have enough momentum to go to WS.
Thus why not say bet $230 to win $100(or larger amounts) on Cubs and take Dodgers risking $100(or commensurate with what you are trying to win with Cubs) to win WS.
If Cubs win, you are even;if Dodgers win, you are in a great postion if they get to WS with all kinds of hedging possibilites to ensure a profit.
ps I have a futures bet on the Angels to win it all but will still be cheering for Sox.
Objectively speaking, the Angels line is absurd when you consider Angels went 8-1 against Sox regular season and with injuries to Sox-it kind of reminds me of the insane series line Lakers were over the Celtics-this time it is just the opposite, as it should be a lot higher.