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    ANAHEIM -- What took months to develop and weeks to transpire has now become official. The Mets dismissed Willie Randolph and two coaches early Tuesday morning, bringing an abrupt end to the speculation that had enveloped the team all month.

    Bench coach Jerry Manuel has assumed duties as interim manager.

    Roughly two hours after their 9-6 win over the Angels, the Mets announced that Randolph, pitching coach Rick Peterson and first-base coach Tom Nieto had been relieved of their duties. Triple-A New Orleans manager Ken Oberkfell has joined the Major League staff, presumably as the new bench coach, and New Orleans pitching coach Dan Warthen has assumed that same role with the Mets. Field coordinator Luis Aguayo has also joined the Major League staff.

    The Mets will hold a formal press conference at Angel Stadium on Tuesday afternoon at 5 ET.

    Randolph had battled rumors throughout the past month that his job was in jeopardy, and those whispers had grown into murmurs during the team's most recent homestand. Various reports stated that Randolph's job security had withered to nothing, and though general manager Omar Minaya twice lauded his manager's work, he gave no guarantees that Randolph would still have a job in the immediate future.

    Now the immediate future has arrived, and Randolph is unemployed.

    Joining the Mets prior to the 2005 season, Randolph guided them to within one game of the World Series in 2006, but then endured one of the biggest collapses the following September. He faced questions about his job security then, and when the Mets stumbled out to a slow start this April and May, those questions grew more frequent.

    Minaya gave Randolph a public vote of confidence following a meeting with ownership in mid-May, but conditions deteriorated again after the Mets lost six out of seven games over the first two weeks of June. Minaya's answers grew more cryptic during this stretch, and following Sunday's doubleheader against the Rangers, he would not guarantee that Randolph's job was safe even through Monday, when the Mets were set to open their series in Anaheim.

    Randolph's Mets won that game -- their second straight, and third in four games -- but it was not enough to save the manager's job. The announcement came past midnight on the West Coast, and at roughly 3:30 a.m. back in New York.

    "It's like a teaser," Randolph said before Monday's game. "You keep seeing us kind of teetering on the edge of playing like we're capable of playing."

    Prior to last season, Randolph signed a three-year, $5.65 million contract extension. The Mets must now buy out the remaining year and a half on his deal.

    Randolph spoke at length before the game on the possibility of some of his coaches being dismissed, after reports had placed both Peterson's and Nieto's jobs in limbo.

    "It's hard," Randolph said. "These are the guys that I brought here. Those are my guys. They work hard every day. They're good at what they do. So you don't ever want any speculation about them losing their jobs floating around anywhere."

    The speculation has now ended, and Manuel, 54, will begin his second managerial stint on Tuesday. Previously manager of the White Sox from 1998-2003, Manuel led the Sox to 95 wins in 2000 and was named Manager of the Year by The Associated Press. He left Chicago with a 500-471 record over his six seasons.

    Warthen, 55, became the New Orleans pitching coach this season after two years as the bullpen coach for the Dodgers. Previously a pitching coach with the Tigers, Padres and Mariners, Warthen also spent years as a Minor League coach with the Mets.

    Oberkfell, 52, led the Zephyrs to the Pacific Coast League championship series last season, and had posted a 36-36 record to date this year. This was his fourth season in New Orleans after also managing Double-A Binghamton and Class A St. Lucie.

    Aguayo, 49, oversaw Spring Training, extended spring games and the Mets' fall instructional league team as a field coordinator. He played for the Indians, Yankees and Phillies during a decade-long Major League career.

    The Mets did not immediately reveal job descriptions for Oberkfell or Aguayo.

    Those three, along with Manuel, will immediately begin a new era for the Mets -- one that, at least for now, won't be plagued by the speculation Randolph faced on a daily basis. Of the team's main coaches, only hitting coach Howard Johnson and third-base coach Sandy Alomar Sr. -- both exceeding popular with players and the public -- remain.

    Peterson, lauded during his years in Oakland, joined the Mets in 2003 and, like Randolph, signed an extension before last season to remain with the team. Though the Mets had compiled a 4.13 staff ERA entering Tuesday's play, Peterson had been unable to find consistency with some of the team's younger pitchers, most notably Oliver Perez.

    Peterson originally earned some public ire after reportedly telling management back in 2004 that he could "fix" Rays pitcher Victor Zambrano in 10 minutes. The Mets traded top pitching prospect Scott Kazmir for Zambrano, who pitched only one full season for them and is now out of the league.

    Nieto, unlike Peterson, had only begun his current role with the Mets this season. Previous the team's catching instructor, Nieto took over first-base coach duties from Rickey Henderson in January.
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  • #2
    Huge Mets fan here..BUT the way they handled this, Omar and the management should be ashamed...The mets were home on Sunday. Why couldnt they fire these guys back at home..They made them travel out west and the very next day they get canned.Thats BS!

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    • #3
      No big deal to make him go out west, the guy makes plenty of money and was under contract. They should have axed him way before that.
      NBA is a joke

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      • #4
        Perhaps some of the team's plight is Minaya's fault in that he doesn't know how to put together a team which can compete at the highest level, and that he doesn't realize that simply acquiring very good players doesn't translate into a WS.
        A team needs the type of players which can blend together to perform as a unit.
        Sure the manager has to assume some responsibility, but judging by the collapse we saw last year and this year's less than stellar start, I think there is a lot more than meets the eye and that a lot of that can be attributed to the lack of team chemistry for which Minaya and not Randolph is responsible.
        I agree with the comment that if Minaya's mind was already made he up,he should have fired Randolph before the trip and not after especially after winning two games in a row-then again maybe this action is indicative of the manner in which Minaya's mind operates and one more reason to believe that Minaya lacks the competence to be a GM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by savage1
          -then again maybe this action is indicative of the manner in which Minaya's mind operates and one more reason to believe that Minaya lacks the competence to be a GM.
          One more reason Minaya lacks the competence??? WOW...what are the other reason? I am anxious to hear this.....
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          • #6
            I just think it's funny that they fired him at 3:15 in the morning...who gets fired at that time other than a bartender? Willie, this is Omar...your drawer was $200 short on Saturday and we will no longer need your services.

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            • #7
              Embarrassed

              I wanted Willie out...should have been gone a long tie ago. But the way Omar handled this is embarrassing, degrading, inexcusable, cowardly and dispicable. This has turned into a circus and Omar is to blame. I am astonished that this went down the way it did. Classless. Whether Willie deserved this is immaterial...they handled this about as poorly as an organization could, and I use the word 'organization' very loosely as NOTHING would seemed to be organized. He is a man that was loyal to the Mets and deserved this to be handled in a much better light than it was. I am disgusted today...and they funny thing is they finally did what should have been done 8 months ago....

              The next one to go should be Tony Bernazard...for a Special Assistant, he has an awful lot to say about stuff....
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              • #8
                Originally posted by RDOG55
                I just think it's funny that they fired him at 3:15 in the morning...who gets fired at that time other than a bartender? Willie, this is Omar...your drawer was $200 short on Saturday and we will no longer need your services.
                Not that's funny!
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Three Jack
                  One more reason Minaya lacks the competence??? WOW...what are the other reason? I am anxious to hear this.....
                  Perhaps this portion of an article just written by Ken Rosenthal will help:

                  Minaya already deserved to be in trouble for assembling an old, meek, sub-.500 team in the wake of the Mets' collapse last September — all for the inflated price of $138 million.

                  By taking so long to fire Randolph, then botching the announcement, Minaya looked weak at a time when strength is required.

                  He could have justified firing Randolph at the end of last season. He could have justified it three weeks ago when Randolph met with ownership. He could have justified it at any moment but 3:12 a.m. Tuesday in Anaheim, Ca.

                  And he didn't stop there.

                  At the presumed urging of other Mets' factions, Minaya also dumped Peterson, one of the game's best pitching coaches, and Nieto, who had the misfortune of being a Randolph guy.

                  The soft-spoken, theory-spouting Peterson is not for everyone, but what pitching coach isn't a bit eccentric? It wasn't Peterson who counted on the oft-injured Pedro Martinez and even more oft-injured Orlando "El Duque" Hernandez to be two-fifths of the Mets' starting rotation. That wonderful plan was Minaya's.
                  Last edited by savage1; 06-17-2008, 01:45 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by savage1
                    Perhaps this portion of an article just written by Ken Rosenthal will help:

                    Minaya already deserved to be in trouble for assembling an old, meek, sub-.500 team in the wake of the Mets' collapse last September — all for the inflated price of $138 million.

                    By taking so long to fire Randolph, then botching the announcement, Minaya looked weak at a time when strength is required.

                    He could have justified firing Randolph at the end of last season. He could have justified it three weeks ago when Randolph met with ownership. He could have justified it at any moment but 3:12 a.m. Tuesday in Anaheim, Ca.

                    And he didn't stop there.

                    At the presumed urging of other Mets' factions, Minaya also dumped Peterson, one of the game's best pitching coaches, and Nieto, who had the misfortune of being a Randolph guy.

                    The soft-spoken, theory-spouting Peterson is not for everyone, but what pitching coach isn't a bit eccentric? It wasn't Peterson who counted on the oft-injured Pedro Martinez and even more oft-injured Orlando "El Duque" Hernandez to be two-fifths of the Mets' starting rotation. That wonderful plan was Minaya's.
                    So you are regurgatating an opinion of someone else? If I wanted Ken Rosenthals opinion, I would ask him! I wonder if Ken Rosenthal was one of the prognosticators saying the Mets were a playoff caliber team at the beginning of the season? Easy to take shots when a team is down. And I do not see where it says Omar is incompetent to run a team...I do agree with the article in that this is a fiasco and, in retrospect, the roster is flawed. how could one not say that now? But incompetant? I don't see that in the articl. So I will ask again, what makes him incompetent in your mind?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Three Jack
                      So you are regurgatating an opinion of someone else? If I wanted Ken Rosenthals opinion, I would ask him! I wonder if Ken Rosenthal was one of the prognosticators saying the Mets were a playoff caliber team at the beginning of the season? Easy to take shots when a team is down. And I do not see where it says Omar is incompetent to run a team...I do agree with the article in that this is a fiasco and, in retrospect, the roster is flawed. how could one not say that now? But incompetant? I don't see that in the articl. So I will ask again, what makes him incompetent in your mind?
                      Just read between the lines and especially the second line and last line-"that wonderful plan." Don't you get the sarcasm?
                      Omar is not be the only person who is incompetent, but the 138 million payroll and the collapse last year says something about his ability and/or intuitive sense of how to go about putting together a team;maybe Theo could teach him a thing or two.
                      ps If the roster is flawed as you state and agree with, then by inference there was some incompentence involved in putting it together in the first place, and it starts with ownership and the GM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by savage1
                        Just read between the lines and especially the second line and last line-"that wonderful plan." Don't you get the sarcasm?
                        Omar is not be the only person who is incompetent, but the 138 million payroll and the collapse last year says something about his ability and/or intuitive sense of how to go about putting together a team;maybe Theo could teach him a thing or two.
                        ps If the roster is flawed as you state and agree with, then by inference there was some incompentence involved in putting it together in the first place, and it starts with ownership and the GM.
                        Savage, incompetant is a very strong word. I disagree 1000% that Omar is INCOMPETANT. He has made mistakes and the handling of this was atrocious. The roster is flawed...so are 80% of the rosters in MLB. Are all of their GM's incompetant. Saying the roster is flawed does not infer the GM is incompetant. Gm's, as do fans, over estimate worth and talent. But to say he is incompetant would dismiss what he did in Montreal (are you even aware?) and some of the trades he has made.

                        Ah, yes...good 'ol Theo...its easy for a Red Sox fan to sit in his glass house now.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Three Jack
                          Savage, incompetant is a very strong word. I disagree 1000% that Omar is INCOMPETANT. He has made mistakes and the handling of this was atrocious. The roster is flawed...so are 80% of the rosters in MLB. Are all of their GM's incompetant. Saying the roster is flawed does not infer the GM is incompetant. Gm's, as do fans, over estimate worth and talent. But to say he is incompetant would dismiss what he did in Montreal (are you even aware?) and some of the trades he has made.

                          Ah, yes...good 'ol Theo...its easy for a Red Sox fan to sit in his glass house now.
                          Ok-lets just say then that he is not as competent and sharp as a GM should/could be if the goal is for the team to have a legitimate chance to compete for and win a WS.

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                          • #14
                            Fuck The Mets
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                            • #15
                              Ridiculous. Am I missing something, why are the Mets underachieving? They're .500, and in the hunt. They only have two decent starting pitchers. It's not even the all-star break. If they're underachieving, so is half the fucking league. What a joke, is there anybody that thinks this team should be 45-28 and the best team in baseball? They're only 6.5 games out of first. That's one Mets choke job away from winning the division. Let me guess, the Yankees are underachieving also right? They have fucking Mike Mussina as the ace of shitty staff and they're underachieving. Who cares about how much money these teams spend, if you don't have great pitching, you can't win, how dumb are these GM's?

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