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**3ebRocks** · 04-08-2008, 03:22 PM

To bet the kind of money you seem to be betting on a women's basketball game may be your first problem. I wish you all the luck in the world but it is a bit of a questionable decision in my opinion. And about that game specifically, I tend to agree that Stanford could and even should win, but unlike the LSU/Tennessee game, Candace Parker will not have the 6-6 Sylvia Fowles clogging up the middle like she did against them on Sunday. Just keep that in mind. Parker, even with her injury, should put on a much better performance tonight.

Also, the points you outlined yourself are important and valid points. If you just stick to them IMO you should be fine.

Best of luck to you tonight Chung and on all your wagers!

Bring it home!

**kbsooner21** · 04-08-2008, 03:46 PM

I have had a rough stretch as well this same time period Chung. I took a couple weeks off as I wasn't enjoying capping games or even looking at scores was pissing me off. It felt more like a burden than an enjoyment like it has in the past. Definitely keep your bets small until like you've gotten back in your groove. I kept chasing losses with bigger losses. My best advice is step back a week or two or however long you feel like you need, until you really feel like you want to get back to playing.

**skyz** · 04-08-2008, 04:13 PM

I'm prolly have a good bet 2morrow, but I wouldn't play all of it, just think straight now and see howmuch can you play it....be smart with the money * its not easy to do* usually ill take a week off then come back bc there's always games for you to play... gl to you sir....

**WayneChung** · 04-08-2008, 04:15 PM

THANKS 3EB,KB,AND SKYZ-guys step in the party-all input appreciated...the ironman !!

**baseballdave** · 04-08-2008, 04:39 PM

i really sucked in basketball and after a few weeks i gave it up and didn't bet baskets again until i hit waynes plays on the ladies and last nights game (i had memphis - go figure !!).
i didn't miss it as much as i thought.
i took a bad beat last night in the cleveland/angel game. i played the under and the last score i got was in the eighth inning and it was 2-1 and it went over

. i am still winning in baseball BUT i am playing small for now until i build up my bankroll. I am not rich by any means but i can afford to gamble - but i get REALLY pissed when i lose, i take it too personal and then try to catch up. Thats the worst thing you can do.

My advice, take time off and get away from gambling. You are gonna find out that there are other things out there - I know I did. When I took off from gambling, I still came on here just to BS with everybody, but I enjoyed going to sleep not pissed off cause I lost a bet. I've also had some personal things lately in my life that made me realize that there are other things that mean more to me than gambling.
Take a break buddy - EVEN if you win tonight - take a break. Come on here to BS with your friends. I have made some friends here that I email and chat with quite a bit - Rook, JC, Bryce, etc. - and believe it or not, we very rarely talk about gambling. We talk about work, family, ball playing, etc. and I enjoy it.
Damn, sorry I rambled Chungster. I wish you good luck tonight but my advice again - EVEN if you win tonight, don't be afraid to take a break. It ain't a bad thing
Dave

**MR Pain** · 04-08-2008, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by kbsooner21

I have had a rough stretch as well this same time period Chung. I took a couple weeks off as I wasn't enjoying capping games or even looking at scores was pissing me off. It felt more like a burden than an enjoyment like it has in the past. Definitely keep your bets small until like you've gotten back in your groove. I kept chasing losses with bigger losses. My best advice is step back a week or two or however long you feel like you need, until you really feel like you want to get back to playing.

EXACTLY completely agree with KB take a week or two off. that is exactly what I do.

**ELJUGO** · 04-08-2008, 05:01 PM

Whenever I get in a losing funk I just remind myself that when you gamble there are always hot and cold streaks. Going cold is unavoidable, but all it takes is back to back wins to get your mojo working again. The only other thing I do is search through other peoples plays a bit more, if I can find some solid guys all on a similar play I usually join if I agree with it.

The last resort...haircut, workout, shower, shave, sex, in that order gets all the positive vibes flowing in my direction...then even if I lose I still feel great, but on those days I hardly ever lose. That remedy is great ATS.

Good Luck Chung

**ogarza** · 04-08-2008, 05:32 PM

Good luck Chunger whatever u decide to do...im done till football season...ive had a terrible end to last year and bad start here...easily lost 10 grand since last August...my girl is prego and found out yesterday im having a boy...so ima chill till football but even then bet small...working on opening an IRA and college fund for my son, i make too much money to not have any saved up and i realized that recently...good luck again Chunger and keep ur head up

**thesandman** · 04-09-2008, 02:13 AM

Free Advice FOR the CHUNGER -- You decide, Money or Fun

Mr. C. Start by doing what you said. The most important thing is what you put as number ONE. CUT BACK THE SIZE OF YOUR BETS. Don't ever chase or you will be running forever. That's half the battle. Read what your wrote. See, you know the things to do, if fact most of us do, but it's no fun doing those things, so many of us don't.

The next important thing is to ask yourself if you are betting for fun or betting to win money. The two don't go together. It's going to be one or the other. I used to bet for fun. Fun=Action, Action=Fun. Back then when I lost more than I won, the first thing I did each day was look at the TV listings in the sports section. Then I would write the letters TV next to the game in my schedule. Those were the games I always bet on. It was more important to me if the game was on TV than if it looked like a winning play.

If you decide that winning is more important than having action
on all the TV games and more important than always having a bet on some game every minute of the day a game is being played, then I feel you have won half the battle. That's the "Stops Losing" half. Now to the other half, the half that means winning.

Don't think you can cap every sport equally and then play all the games you capped yourself. I know I can't. To me, the most important thing that helps you win, is right here. KNOWLEDGE, the knowledge of everyone here. Especially the guys here who post winners in a sport that you aren't very good at capping. Follow them before you follow yourself in those sports and you will see your bankroll improve almost right away. For me the NFL and the NBA are the hardest sports for me to win at. Baseball is the sport I'm very good, well OK, lets just say I'm good at.

The next step is to find who is best here in which sport and include yourself when looking. The sports you cap the best, those are the ones you play on your own. For the other sports, I feel the best way to find who is best to follow here, is to spend a couple of days just looking at the subjects of everyones posts. The guys that do the best, will mostly put their record(s) in the subject of their threads. I admit I do, but thats something I was glad to see from others when I was looking for who is best to follow.

Now, you are almost done except for one more thing, how to find the plays you should bet. Remember I said this wasn't the fun way to gamble. Depending on how many posts are here, you can either find from looking at the subject lines, a couple of guys whose plays are winning the most and you bet all the plays from each of them and only those plays. OR, if you find more than a couple of guys who are winning in a certain sport, just copy all their plays and then look for any plays that were played by more than one person and those are your plays.

Chunger. There is no reason this won't help, as long as you keep telling yourself, you bet to win, not to have more fun watching a game on TV. Now your fun comes from adding up your winnings and it comes from no longer feeling that pain in the pit of your stomach when you are watching or tracking a bet that you are losing that you really can't afford to lose.

As I was writing this, my San Diego bet lost in extra innings to the Giants of all things, but that didn't bother me because my other four bets tonight had already won. My enjoyment tonight came from being able to write this, or it could be doing something else, instead of having to watch the San Diego game worrying what happens if they lose. I hope this somewhat helps you, even if just a little bit. Your a nice guy and it's not FUN for me seeing nice guys losing their hard earned money. Opps, there's that fun word again.

**kenman64** · 04-09-2008, 11:26 AM

hey WC,

check out this link...found it on another site and it been very profitable since 12/1/2006 26-4 SU, 26-2-2 ATS... since 11/1/2007 12-1 SU, 11-2 ATS

http://sportsdatabase.com/nba.py/que...+&submit=query

ORL -10.5 is the play for WED 4/9/08

I'd been playing these plays and it very profitable. Hope it will help and GL on what you decided to do.

**buddyluv1968** · 04-09-2008, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by ogarza

Good luck Chunger whatever u decide to do...im done till football season...ive had a terrible end to last year and bad start here...easily lost 10 grand since last August...my girl is prego and found out yesterday im having a boy...so ima chill till football but even then bet small...working on opening an IRA and college fund for my son, i make too much money to not have any saved up and i realized that recently...good luck again Chunger and keep ur head up

Congrats on your boy... Great advice, in gambling the only thing that wins are the casino and bookies in the end. You are lucky if you break even. Bet only as a hobby not a way of life. Your job is a way of life. Gambling is a way to destroy your life if you take it too seriously. Hell we are inching towards $4 gas and a recession. There are other ways to spend your money.

**Spearit** · 04-09-2008, 01:06 PM

Chungster- I always enjoy your posts and have a couple of things to add to Sandmans post. I know you have gone thru both hot and cold times. I see where you chase and set your mind on it as if it will come about by talking it up. But one thing continues to spring up in the world of gambling to me.
If I chase on a favorite ( albeit whatever sport- dang if I don't feel setup by Vegas and lose 3 out of 4 times. Not sure why- just that is what I have noted.

Sandman mentioned playing for fun versus playing to gamble. We tend to cap the games ourselves for everything -when we should come off of our ego when things are not hitting and tag on to a winning program (hot).
Again - when I am out to make some real money and gamble- I lose on favorites the majority of time.

These bastards in Vegas have seen what the chumps do over time and have the line in a position that makes so many want to throw their mortgage on it- only to have it come up and bite em in the ass.
Moral is to take the dog on most bets of a chase - I guess or go against public opinion.
Ugly wins out overall as KC and Balt. have shown in bases.
Wish ya the best.

Here's a followup that a BC member sent me on Memphis after the game.

SAN ANTONIO (Sportsman's Daily Wire Service) --

With the game all but decided, the Memphis Tigers let it slip away, missing critical foul shots down the stretch and losing a heartbreaker to the resilient Kansas Jayhawks -- a loss as emotionally devastating as any ever sustained on a national stage.

Dazed, confused and just plain beaten, the Tigers players milled lifelessly around the floor, then aimlessly drifted into a funereal locker room. Usually the losing coach -- in this case John Calipari -- would gather his team and soothe their open wounds with a combination of content-free coach speak and language pulled from the pages of Spiritual Uplift for Dummies.

But instead of consoling his players, Calipari focused his post-game comments on the "millions who squandered their rent money, their kid's lunch money, the month's utility check" and placed a losing bet on his team.

"Right now, people are trying to make ends meet as they await their tax rebate from the IRS," said a somber Calipari. "The people who put their money on us took an awfully big gamble -- and we let them down. Lots were depending on those extra couple hundred to carry them to when their government check arrives. I personally know dozens of families who trusted us with their rent money. Now, granted, most have a major gambling problem and I should have said something -- to gamble with your kid's lunch money or money you've been saving for little Johnny's hair-lip surgery is just plain irresponsible."

Calipari paused, tented his fingers meaningfully, and continued, his mood gradually darkening. "Now, do I feel bad for my kids, being this close to a national championship? For missing those damn foul shots they'll have to answer to for the rest of their lives? Is this the thanks you get for making all those hellish out-of-the-way recruiting trips where I've got to demean myself and plead with sullen high school hoops stars to play basketball for my program? Do you know how crushing this is to me personally, to my family, to my coaching staff? Does anyone think that maybe it's us that needs the consoling? Just once I'd like to see one of the kids put their arms around you and say, 'it's ok, it's ok, just let it out big guy, it's ok.' Am I wrong to want that?"

Having spent close to a half hour waiting for their coach, who continued speaking to a fading pack of bleary beat reporters for close to an hour after the game, the Memphis players gave up, got dressed and mournfully made their way to the team bus.

"Losing hurts, but coach just abandoning us like that, it's a stab in the back," said Tigers' guard Chris Douglas-Roberts.

"You expect your coach to get everyone in the room, close the door and find the words to take away the pain. We're not expecting anything we haven't heard before. It's not like Coach is suddenly going to turn into Moses or Dr. Phil or that Dr. Laura chick who does the sex counseling. But you want to hear how proud he is that we came this far, how we'll always look back with pride on all we accomplished, how we're the best bunch of kids he's ever coached, how well we represented the school and how we played the game the right way. Look, I can basically write the speech -- in fact, I just did. But still, you want to hear it. Instead, he's worrying about a bunch of degenerate gamblers ... it's just very disheartening."

"I don't know what Calipari is talking about," said Ronald Hastings, a degenerate gambler from Spokane , Washington who spoke to us during a break in an outdoor dice game. "I stood to pocket $150 tops if the Tigers knocked down those foul shots -- we're talking two fill-ups and a carton of cigarettes with maybe change for the tolls. It's not like it's a big deal. But man, this guy is a real downer. What a loser."

Bobby Knight, a studio analyst for ESPN, surprised his colleagues and viewing audience when he sided with Douglas-Roberts.

"The number one job of a college coach is communicating with your players. Particularly after a loss like that. Of course not everyone communicates the exact same way. I liked to keep my comments brief and to the point, and added a bit of physicality to make sure it was sinking in. But if Calipari thinks he needs to console people who gambled good money on his team, he needs to begin by consoling me -- I lost a bundle on those punks and if I ever get my hands on the kids who missed those damn foul shots, I'll show Calipari the meaning of communication."

With that, a red-faced Knight drop-kicked a production assistant and stormed out of the studio, presumably looking for someone, anyone, to emotionally abuse.

**Chado1** · 04-09-2008, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by Spearit

Chungster- I always enjoy your posts and have a couple of things to add to Sandmans post. I know you have gone thru both hot and cold times. I see where you chase and set your mind on it as if it will come about by talking it up. But one thing continues to spring up in the world of gambling to me.
If I chase on a favorite ( albeit whatever sport- dang if I don't feel setup by Vegas and lose 3 out of 4 times. Not sure why- just that is what I have noted.

Sandman mentioned playing for fun versus playing to gamble. We tend to cap the games ourselves for everything -when we should come off of our ego when things are not hitting and tag on to a winning program (hot).
Again - when I am out to make some real money and gamble- I lose on favorites the majority of time.

These bastards in Vegas have seen what the chumps do over time and have the line in a position that makes so many want to throw their mortgage on it- only to have it come up and bite em in the ass.
Moral is to take the dog on most bets of a chase - I guess or go against public opinion.
Ugly wins out overall as KC and Balt. have shown in bases.
Wish ya the best.

Here's a followup that a BC member sent me on Memphis after the game.

SAN ANTONIO (Sportsman's Daily Wire Service) --

With the game all but decided, the Memphis Tigers let it slip away, missing critical foul shots down the stretch and losing a heartbreaker to the resilient Kansas Jayhawks -- a loss as emotionally devastating as any ever sustained on a national stage.

Dazed, confused and just plain beaten, the Tigers players milled lifelessly around the floor, then aimlessly drifted into a funereal locker room. Usually the losing coach -- in this case John Calipari -- would gather his team and soothe their open wounds with a combination of content-free coach speak and language pulled from the pages of Spiritual Uplift for Dummies.

But instead of consoling his players, Calipari focused his post-game comments on the "millions who squandered their rent money, their kid's lunch money, the month's utility check" and placed a losing bet on his team.

"Right now, people are trying to make ends meet as they await their tax rebate from the IRS," said a somber Calipari. "The people who put their money on us took an awfully big gamble -- and we let them down. Lots were depending on those extra couple hundred to carry them to when their government check arrives. I personally know dozens of families who trusted us with their rent money. Now, granted, most have a major gambling problem and I should have said something -- to gamble with your kid's lunch money or money you've been saving for little Johnny's hair-lip surgery is just plain irresponsible."

Calipari paused, tented his fingers meaningfully, and continued, his mood gradually darkening. "Now, do I feel bad for my kids, being this close to a national championship? For missing those damn foul shots they'll have to answer to for the rest of their lives? Is this the thanks you get for making all those hellish out-of-the-way recruiting trips where I've got to demean myself and plead with sullen high school hoops stars to play basketball for my program? Do you know how crushing this is to me personally, to my family, to my coaching staff? Does anyone think that maybe it's us that needs the consoling? Just once I'd like to see one of the kids put their arms around you and say, 'it's ok, it's ok, just let it out big guy, it's ok.' Am I wrong to want that?"

Having spent close to a half hour waiting for their coach, who continued speaking to a fading pack of bleary beat reporters for close to an hour after the game, the Memphis players gave up, got dressed and mournfully made their way to the team bus.

"Losing hurts, but coach just abandoning us like that, it's a stab in the back," said Tigers' guard Chris Douglas-Roberts.

"You expect your coach to get everyone in the room, close the door and find the words to take away the pain. We're not expecting anything we haven't heard before. It's not like Coach is suddenly going to turn into Moses or Dr. Phil or that Dr. Laura chick who does the sex counseling. But you want to hear how proud he is that we came this far, how we'll always look back with pride on all we accomplished, how we're the best bunch of kids he's ever coached, how well we represented the school and how we played the game the right way. Look, I can basically write the speech -- in fact, I just did. But still, you want to hear it. Instead, he's worrying about a bunch of degenerate gamblers ... it's just very disheartening."

"I don't know what Calipari is talking about," said Ronald Hastings, a degenerate gambler from Spokane , Washington who spoke to us during a break in an outdoor dice game. "I stood to pocket $150 tops if the Tigers knocked down those foul shots -- we're talking two fill-ups and a carton of cigarettes with maybe change for the tolls. It's not like it's a big deal. But man, this guy is a real downer. What a loser."

Bobby Knight, a studio analyst for ESPN, surprised his colleagues and viewing audience when he sided with Douglas-Roberts.

"The number one job of a college coach is communicating with your players. Particularly after a loss like that. Of course not everyone communicates the exact same way. I liked to keep my comments brief and to the point, and added a bit of physicality to make sure it was sinking in. But if Calipari thinks he needs to console people who gambled good money on his team, he needs to begin by consoling me -- I lost a bundle on those punks and if I ever get my hands on the kids who missed those damn foul shots, I'll show Calipari the meaning of communication."

With that, a red-faced Knight drop-kicked a production assistant and stormed out of the studio, presumably looking for someone, anyone, to emotionally abuse.

With how gullable I am can I please get an explanation about this article? Its obviously a joke right?

**thesandman** · 04-09-2008, 03:02 PM

Chado1 is wondering

With how gullable I am can I please get an explanation about this article? Its obviously a joke right?

Very Obviously. Bobbie Knight saying he gambles, "But if Calipari thinks he needs to console people who gambled good money on his team, he needs to begin by consoling me -- I lost a bundle on those punks." This is the biggest giveaway in a satire full of giveaways.

Or Calipari.saying " I personally know dozens of families who trusted us with their rent money." Chado, someone did a very good job with this satire.

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