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    DIRECT FROM NEVADA
    WITH NICK BOGDANOVICH
    SHARPS TRYING TO BOB AND WEAVE DURING TRICKY NCAA DANCE
    It's been a tough NCAA tournament for many Nevada sharps.
    They love underdogs as a general rule. The opening day went so strongly to the favorites that many started out in the hole.
    They love Unders as a general rule when betting totals. Last Sunday was so strong to the Over that anybody who had dug their way out of a hole found themselves back in it.
    They loved Washington State plus the points against North Carolina Thursday Night. Many were waiting until game day for the public to pound the favored Tar Heels. The public did pound the Heels, pushing the line up higher. Sharps very aggressively jumped on Washington State only to see the Pac 10 entrant play one if its worst games of the year. Many sharps were very high on the Pac 10 coming into the tournament. Some expected Washington State to pull off an upset. The 68-47 rout, which wasn't even as close as that makes it sound, was humbling to be sure.
    Now, it hasn't been all bad for the sharps. Most liked Louisville to dominate Tennessee. Some guys did mistakenly buy back some Tennessee on game day when the public was all over Louisville (you can probably figure out the public is having a nice tournament so far!). There was a big early move on Western Kentucky at +13.5 that brought the line down to +12.5. One noted sharp came in big very late on UCLA...and regretted that once the final score was in. But, I'd have to say that most guys won that one.
    Is there a lesson from the fact that sharps are struggling a bit and the public is winning? It seems like I've been asking that question a lot in recent seasons. There was a stretch in the NFL this year where that happened...and that matched the wild season of a few years ago where favorites just kept covering all season. Many big name college hoops programs keep covering spreads this year. Has the public suddenly become smarter than professional wagerers?
    No!
    I think the following factors are in play. You might want to take these into account as you handicap the Elite Eight games this weekend:

    Many Las Vegas and Reno sharps seem to have stopped handicapping games altogether. They're now just looking for spots to go against the public with decent-quality underdogs. That worked wonderfully in the past, and made them all rich. The world has changed now, and it's not working as well as it did. Lines have come down a bit from the old days in these games, taking away much of the value. North Carolina was an 8-point favorite over Washington State the other night. Maybe, a decade ago, a top seed with a big name would have been a 10-11 point favorite. Oddsmakers would have treated NC/Washington State the way they did actually treat Western Kentucky/UCLA. Note that the dog was the right side there.
    The problem with eschewing handicapping to just bet against the public is that you lose sight of the strengths and weaknesses of teams. Washington State had poor results against UCLA and Stanford this year. That seemed alright in general because the Pac 10 looked like the best conference in the nation. When UCLA almost lost to Texas A&M, and Stanford almost lost to Marquette...the fact that Washington State couldn't play with them because a bigger deal. Sharps didn't react. They could have at least toned down their enthusiasm for Washington State given those results. Didn't happen.

    We're seeing a tendency in some sports for elite teams to expand their edges over everyone else. In the past, competitive balance helped keep things in check. The public was imagining edges for the great teams that really weren't there. In both college and pro football, and lately college and pro basketball...the edges are there! The lines have come down...the sharps are in the habit of taking all the underdogs...but the superior teams really are dominant.
    New England killed people until the lines got up to 20 points per game just at the point their defense was wearing down. You could make similar cases for many of the other NFL powers this year in the first half of the season. It took two months for the lines to catch up. North Carolina and Kansas have been covering spreads all year. The NBA powers were great right after the All-Star break in terms of ATS results because they couldn't afford to take any nights off.
    When North Carolina clicks, they win by big margins. Sharps underestimated that "click" potential, as they've been doing with far too many top teams in all the sports in recent memory.

    Sharps have been slow to react because of their own overconfidence. Look, it takes a certain amount of swagger and confidence to be a sports gambler in the first place. You have to think you're smarter than everyone else or you wouldn't be betting. If you have several seasons where you win big, the confidence grows even bigger! You're on top of the world, and start to believe you can do no wrong.
    I'm not sure how many big time sports gamblers you've met in your life. I've met quite a few obviously. When I'm involved in the oddsmaking field, that's who I'm going head-to-head with (meaning I've got a lot of confidence and a bit of a swagger myself!). You wouldn't believe the stuff that comes out of these guys mouths. This extreme self-confidence is imbedded in them after success. It takes some forever to change gears when the world changes.
    I know of guys who have lost significant portions of their betting bankrolls just in the last year and a half alone, because they were sure they couldn't possibly keep losing. Sharps have a lot of edges over squares in the long run. Some sharps turn into squares when it comes to chasing losses during down times unfortunately.
    I'm always encouraging you to think like a sharp rather than like a square. That's still great advice, particularly when you consider the full scope of edges that sharps have (experience, the ability to shop for the best line, knowing how to position themselves to hit middles), and the full scope of problems that squares suffer from (ignoring line value, playing way too many games, betting with emotions rather than facts). You do need to be aware though that sharps will have some bad stretches, particularly if they're being stubborn about their handicapping approach. See if you can avoid THAT mistake this weekend.
    Handicap the Elite Eight games the way a head coach would. Look at the strengths and weaknesses of the teams on the floor. Do the Las Vegas pointspreads capture those strengths and weaknesses? Has the public driven a line to the wrong place? Has the public actually driven the line to the right place?
    Do your best to make your own number on the games. The Nevada sharps do that on all propositions. Laziness has taken away their ability to do it as accurately as they should. See if you can outperform the squares and the sharps in this area!
    2013-2014.... NCAA 7-6

  • #2
    Yes Ham things have changed!!! No doubt---In gambling you have to change or you are in a rut--thanks for sharing this!

    Sharps vs squares I don't know---I can be a sharp one day and a square the next--IMO there are no squares or sharps--you would have to win every game to be a sharp--and that doesn't happen--just again that is my opinion--my guy told me tonight when I called in he had a sharp and he bet Louisville---line was at 5---website had 6--how sharp is he??

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    • #3
      very nice write up bro. thanks.

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      • #4
        This article is exactly why I never look into public percentages or bet against this or that...I just go with what my gut tells me...of course sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt....
        SOBER SINCE MARCH 28TH OF 2007!!!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Chado1
          This article is exactly why I never look into public percentages or bet against this or that...I just go with what my gut tells me...of course sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt....

          right on man. like my plays tonight. lots of people took xavier because 'everyone' was on ucla. then i thought about it, and realized that by watching college hoop all year, nothing pointed to xavier being able to hang w/ ucla, never mind within 6. and the game wasn't even close tonight.

          cap the games based on what you see/know. you can live better with the results that way, rather than trying to guess who 'everyone' is on, then hope they are wrong. maybe consider it, but never take a game just because of it.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Chado1
            This article is exactly why I never look into public percentages or bet against this or that...I just go with what my gut tells me...of course sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt....
            I couldn't agree more!!! The only handicapping I do is based on numbers and visual evidence. I could care less which way a line moves or who is on what. After, a line moving from 5 to 5.5 doesn't have any effect whatsoever on the on court action. Unless of course someone is shaving, but that's a whole different topic.
            O..H.........I..O!

            2010 NCAA Football: 4-3-1

            2010 NFL: 0-0

            2009-2010 NCAA Basketball: 30-23-1

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            • #7
              Huuuuuuuge 3 Days For "squares"

              Favs And Overs Up The Ass

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              • #8
                Originally posted by molta02
                right on man. like my plays tonight. lots of people took xavier because 'everyone' was on ucla. then i thought about it, and realized that by watching college hoop all year, nothing pointed to xavier being able to hang w/ ucla, never mind within 6. and the game wasn't even close tonight.

                cap the games based on what you see/know. you can live better with the results that way, rather than trying to guess who 'everyone' is on, then hope they are wrong. maybe consider it, but never take a game just because of it.
                EXACTLY...based on what I have watched/seen and know out of teams all season....fuck everything else...its fucking stupid!!!

                The game gets determined on the ICE/FIELD/COURT.....not by the line movement or public percentages!!!

                Couldnt have said what you just wrote any better myself....I would much rather lose a bet knowing I bet it with my gut and what I have personally watched out of a team ALL SEASON LONG as opposed to going strictly on public percentages and line movment...FUCKING RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                SOBER SINCE MARCH 28TH OF 2007!!!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Chado1
                  EXACTLY...based on what I have watched/seen and know out of teams all season....fuck everything else...its fucking stupid!!!

                  The game gets determined on the ICE/FIELD/COURT.....not by the line movement or public percentages!!!

                  Couldnt have said what you just wrote any better myself....I would much rather lose a bet knowing I bet it with my gut and what I have personally watched out of a team ALL SEASON LONG as opposed to going strictly on public percentages and line movment...FUCKING RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                  case and point, and i don't care if it makes me a square--

                  if you watch xavier all year, and watch ucla all year, i don't know what would make anyone think these two teams are only 6 pts apart.


                  last few years, i woulda taken xavier just to go against the grain. i've lost more money doing that shit.......

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by molta02
                    case and point, and i don't care if it makes me a square--

                    if you watch xavier all year, and watch ucla all year, i don't know what would make anyone think these two teams are only 6 pts apart.


                    last few years, i woulda taken xavier just to go against the grain. i've lost more money doing that shit.......
                    Exactly...and thats what happened to me on Thursday when I went against the grain and fell for the Wazzou trap when I knew they cant fucking score and I had also watched them a bunch of times this season and sure their D is good or whatever but their offense is horseshit and anyone can have good D against "non Tar Heel" opponents...sure enough right....
                    SOBER SINCE MARCH 28TH OF 2007!!!

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                    • #11
                      There Are Instances Where The Line Movement ( Especially Reverse Line Movement Helps


                      Yesterday Atlanta Was Favored Over The Bulls By 5 1/2


                      70 % On Atlanta And The Line Didnt Budge All Day ( Should Have Gone Up A Bit)

                      Last Second , 10 - 20 Min Before Game Time Line Goes Down TO 4 1/2

                      Atlanta wins by 3


                      Same thing happened today

                      Portland was favored by 6 over Charllotte .... 70 % on portland and no line move all day

                      Then .. BOOM line drops to 5 and 4 1/2 in some places - CHARLLOTE WINS S/U BY 8 points

                      Those were the only two games where it happened the last 2 days

                      It is a VERY big indicator and works quite a bit


                      YOU MUST PAY ATTENTION TO LINE MOVES !!! ESPECIALLY THE REVERSE LINE MOVES


                      In the colleges today - both favs .. the lines went up -- like they should have with the $$ going on there -- no suprise -- no tell tale sign of anything



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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by GOLDENGREEK
                        There Are Instances Where The Line Movement ( Especially Reverse Line Movement Helps


                        Yesterday Atlanta Was Favored Over The Bulls By 5 1/2


                        70 % On Atlanta And The Line Didnt Budge All Day ( Should Have Gone Up A Bit)

                        Last Second , 10 - 20 Min Before Game Time Line Goes Down TO 4 1/2

                        Atlanta wins by 3


                        Same thing happened today

                        Portland was favored by 6 over Charllotte .... 70 % on portland and no line move all day

                        Then .. BOOM line drops to 5 and 4 1/2 in some places - CHARLLOTE WINS S/U BY 8 points

                        Those were the only two games where it happened the last 2 days

                        It is a VERY big indicator and works quite a bit


                        YOU MUST PAY ATTENTION TO LINE MOVES !!! ESPECIALLY THE REVERSE LINE MOVES


                        In the colleges today - both favs .. the lines went up -- like they should have with the $$ going on there -- no suprise -- no tell tale sign of anything



                        .

                        greek-

                        how much do you trust the online sites that have the percentages? like carib, sportsbook, sportsinsites, etc.

                        some people say they aren't right, some do. what do you go by?

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                        • #13
                          also- you think the late moves at pinny are a good indicator?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GOLDENGREEK
                            There Are Instances Where The Line Movement ( Especially Reverse Line Movement Helps


                            Yesterday Atlanta Was Favored Over The Bulls By 5 1/2


                            70 % On Atlanta And The Line Didnt Budge All Day ( Should Have Gone Up A Bit)

                            Last Second , 10 - 20 Min Before Game Time Line Goes Down TO 4 1/2

                            Atlanta wins by 3


                            Same thing happened today

                            Portland was favored by 6 over Charllotte .... 70 % on portland and no line move all day

                            Then .. BOOM line drops to 5 and 4 1/2 in some places - CHARLLOTE WINS S/U BY 8 points

                            Those were the only two games where it happened the last 2 days

                            It is a VERY big indicator and works quite a bit


                            YOU MUST PAY ATTENTION TO LINE MOVES !!! ESPECIALLY THE REVERSE LINE MOVES


                            In the colleges today - both favs .. the lines went up -- like they should have with the $$ going on there -- no suprise -- no tell tale sign of anything



                            .

                            Those are great examples of that, but I'm sure some exist the other way. It's not like the oddsmakers know what's going to happen in a game. Again, assuming all is on the up and up. They have their power ratings they use, tweak a little here in there for perceptions and fav teams (i.e. Cowboys, Patriots) and then they throw the line out there. The line not moving didn't effect anything that happened on the court. Obviously in this case that "trend" worked, but it's not like that effected the game play.
                            O..H.........I..O!

                            2010 NCAA Football: 4-3-1

                            2010 NFL: 0-0

                            2009-2010 NCAA Basketball: 30-23-1

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                            • #15
                              Books are taking a bath with the rash of favs and overs covering...short term this is good news for the players but in the long run Id still rather be on the side of the books.

                              Only thing that sucks is my bets are -110 and theirs are +110....huge difference

                              PEACE

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