? Bubble Teams ?

[wayne1218]

haha, nice story....There's a reason almost every team in the ACC has a near .500 record...because they all play each other and they all are good....I agree that Duke is WAY over rated...that's how deep our conference is....ND, UConn, Marqueete, Pitt, and WV are garbage teams that won't do shit....Much less Villanova....didn't they lose like 8 games in a row or some shit? We agree on the Big Ten...they should only be allowed 1 team in.

I am an ACC and UNC Fan. Usually what you say about all teams being equal and good is right on the money. Not this year though, not even close. Louisville, Georgetown, Notre Dame and Conneticut are all teams i could easily see reaching the final 4 or elite 8. I wouldn't be shocked by Pitt. or W.V. reaching the sweet 16 too. After UNC and Duke, there is nothing in the ACC.

[xstac2169]

Notre Dame is not the same on the road and they will not get ahome game in the tournament. They need Kyle McaLarney to play big if they were to make noise and i dont know if he can be that consistant on the road under pressure.

Villanova does not deserve a bid in the least bit.

Pitt fell apart for awhile due to a big injury but they have some big wins on their resume. I think they could be a solid team.

UCONN made noise late in the year which is always good, but I am just not sold on them. I think they make it in.

Marquette might make it in. To me they are the bubble team from the Big East.

Georgetown is a lock but will lose in the third round. Their defense is awesome but they do not have the offensive consistancy to go far.

Syracuse in my mind is out unless they win at least 2 if not more games in the Big East Tourney and someone like Georgetown or Louiseville who are locks do not win it all. If Pitt of ND happen to win, forget the Cuse getting in because one at large bid is lost to Goergetown and another to Louiseville.

[aplous]

IMO, top 2 things deciding between bubble teams is:

Big Wins........KState beat Kansas while they were like 22-0. OU had chances v. Memphis, Texas, KU, couldnt do it. Florida has 0 big wins. If you beat a legit top 8 team, you deserve a look before someone who didnt.

Conference Record........Teams dont get to choose what conference they play in. You must beat who is on the schedule...if a team goes 12-4 in conf (UK), they deserve to be in over a team that went 9-9 (Cuse).

[wayne1218]

Notre Dame is not the same on the road and they will not get ahome game in the tournament. They need Kyle McaLarney to play big if they were to make noise and i dont know if he can be that consistant on the road under pressure.

Villanova does not deserve a bid in the least bit.

Pitt fell apart for awhile due to a big injury but they have some big wins on their resume. I think they could be a solid team.

UCONN made noise late in the year which is always good, but I am just not sold on them. I think they make it in.

Marquette might make it in. To me they are the bubble team from the Big East.

Georgetown is a lock but will lose in the third round. Their defense is awesome but they do not have the offensive consistancy to go far.

Syracuse in my mind is out unless they win at least 2 if not more games in the Big East Tourney and someone like Georgetown or Louiseville who are locks do not win it all. If Pitt of ND happen to win, forget the Cuse getting in because one at large bid is lost to Goergetown and another to Louiseville.

Seriously, what teams are great on the road after the top 5 in the country? Not many. When the top 7 teams in your conference (Big East) are (163-50) ... you are winning some road games.

[xstac2169]

I am an ACC and UNC Fan. Usually what you say about all teams being equal and good is right on the money. Not this year though, not even close. Louisville, Georgetown, Notre Dame and Conneticut are all teams i could easily see reaching the final 4 or elite 8. I wouldn't be shocked by Pitt. or W.V. reaching the sweet 16 too. After UNC and Duke, there is nothing in the ACC.

I think you are wrong about that. WHile the ACC can not compare to other leagues as far as depth they have some very streaky teams. That is not saying a lot, but when those teams are hot they can play with anyone in Division 1 except maybe Kansas.

Clemson is 22-8 overall and has some bad losses on their resume. THey have some solid road wins as well winning at Alabama(SEC is never an easy place to play on the road) and a great comeback against Maryland last week. THey played UNC tough twice losing by a combined 12 points and only losing by 13 at Duke which anyone can tell you is nothing compare to how some solid teams have fared there.

I will not even attempt to make a case for VIrginia Tech as they are awful on the road and to be a good team you need to prove you canwin on the road.

Miami Florida started out as hot as can be and faded a little once ACC play began. The one thing about them is they do not have the bad losses that might hurt them. Losing at NC State, Wake Forest, and Florida state by a combined 7 points might seem bad but they were all on the road and all one possession games. THey have some solid road wins and if they win a game or two in the ACC tourney they have an outside shot at getting in.

Maryland has one signature win, but they have blown too many games. That is why I say they need to win at least two if not 3 games in the ACC tourney to have a shot. They did beat UNC on the road and they played Duke very tough at home. Maryland is all about James Gist and with the right matchups I think they get in and can win a game in the NCAA Tourney.


That being said, there are just as many all around solid teams in the ACC as in the Big East. Each has its two all star teams and 2 second tier teams. They each have teams that struggle mightily on the road. THey each have teams with bad bad bad losses. I think 3 from the ACC get in with as many as 4 depending on who beats who in the tourney. Only time will tell!

[vondie]

Seriously, what teams are great on the road after the top 5 in the country? Not many. When the top 7 teams in your conference (Big East) are (163-50) ... you are winning some road games.

hmmm, and that has nothing to do with the fact that they get to play Rutgers, south florida, st. johns and depaul, 1-2 times a year? who account for 50+ of those wins?

In the ACC the only "lock" wins come from BC and NC state...

[wayne1218]

UCONN made noise late in the year which is always good, but I am just not sold on them. I think they make it in.

You "Think" Uconn makes it in? How the hell do you say no to UCONN (24-7)?

Good Wins
RPI 1-25: Marquette, @Indiana, Louisville, Notre Dame
RPI 26-50: Pittsburgh, @Syracuse, West Virginia

Bad Losses
RPI 101-200: none
RPI 201+: none

[vondie]

I will not even attempt to make a case for VIrginia Tech as they are awful on the road and to be a good team you need to prove you canwin on the road.

Maryland has one signature win, but they have blown too many games. That is why I say they need to win at least two if not 3 games in the ACC tourney to have a shot. They did beat UNC on the road and they played Duke very tough at home. Maryland is all about James Gist and with the right matchups I think they get in and can win a game in the NCAA Tourney.

Agreed about maryland...if they could just finish games they would be a top 20 team....I think they blew a first half lead to everyone in the conference.

I'll make a case for Va Tech - good shooters (if they are consistant) a solid big man in the middle and a fiery coach.

[wayne1218]

hmmm, and that has nothing to do with the fact that they get to play Rutgers, south florida, st. johns and depaul, 1-2 times a year? who account for 50+ of those wins?

In the ACC the only "lock" wins come from BC and NC state...

They play very few teams twice.

[wayne1218]

I think you are wrong about that. WHile the ACC can not compare to other leagues as far as depth they have some very streaky teams. That is not saying a lot, but when those teams are hot they can play with anyone in Division 1 except maybe Kansas.

Clemson is 22-8 overall and has some bad losses on their resume. THey have some solid road wins as well winning at Alabama(SEC is never an easy place to play on the road) and a great comeback against Maryland last week. THey played UNC tough twice losing by a combined 12 points and only losing by 13 at Duke which anyone can tell you is nothing compare to how some solid teams have fared there.

I will not even attempt to make a case for VIrginia Tech as they are awful on the road and to be a good team you need to prove you canwin on the road.

Miami Florida started out as hot as can be and faded a little once ACC play began. The one thing about them is they do not have the bad losses that might hurt them. Losing at NC State, Wake Forest, and Florida state by a combined 7 points might seem bad but they were all on the road and all one possession games. THey have some solid road wins and if they win a game or two in the ACC tourney they have an outside shot at getting in.

Maryland has one signature win, but they have blown too many games. That is why I say they need to win at least two if not 3 games in the ACC tourney to have a shot. They did beat UNC on the road and they played Duke very tough at home. Maryland is all about James Gist and with the right matchups I think they get in and can win a game in the NCAA Tourney.


That being said, there are just as many all around solid teams in the ACC as in the Big East. Each has its two all star teams and 2 second tier teams. They each have teams that struggle mightily on the road. THey each have teams with bad bad bad losses. I think 3 from the ACC get in with as many as 4 depending on who beats who in the tourney. Only time will tell!

You are making my point. There is NOTHING there. That is what the ACC has to offer? The Big East crushes that!

[xstac2169]

You "Think" Uconn makes it in? How the hell do you say no to UCONN (24-7)?

Good Wins
RPI 1-25: Marquette, @Indiana, Louisville, Notre Dame
RPI 26-50: Pittsburgh, @Syracuse, West Virginia

Bad Losses
RPI 101-200: none
RPI 201+: none

UCONN lost to Providence twice and to Villanova. Those are three bad losses because they came against teams they should have beaten.

I think UCONN makes it in yes. They were 4-3 against ranked teams this year, but only 1-3 on the road. They are going to have to play all road games and they will lose round 1 or 2. THey wont make it farther than that depending on matchups.

Yes I know every team is nothing great on the road with very few exceptions but you must look at that. If the choice was between Syracuse and CLemson, you have to give the nod to Clemson. Same with Pitt and Clemson. I would even be tempted to take Clemson over Marquette despite Marquette finishing in the top 25(at least on Yahoo). I would even take Miami FL over Syracuse. That is just comparing the ACC and Big East as well.

It all depends on the conference tournies and no one will agree that at least 3 or 4 teams do not get screwed. There are arguments for and against every team. We shall see.

[wayne1218]

UCONN lost to Providence twice and to Villanova. Those are three bad losses because they came against teams they should have beaten.

I think UCONN makes it in yes. They were 4-3 against ranked teams this year, but only 1-3 on the road. They are going to have to play all road games and they will lose round 1 or 2. THey wont make it farther than that depending on matchups.

Yes I know every team is nothing great on the road with very few exceptions but you must look at that. If the choice was between Syracuse and CLemson, you have to give the nod to Clemson. Same with Pitt and Clemson. I would even be tempted to take Clemson over Marquette despite Marquette finishing in the top 25(at least on Yahoo). I would even take Miami FL over Syracuse. That is just comparing the ACC and Big East as well.

It all depends on the conference tournies and no one will agree that at least 3 or 4 teams do not get screwed. There are arguments for and against every team. We shall see.

Yes, but once again, you are taking the 3rd best team in the ACC (Clemson) and comparing them to the 9th Best (Syracuse), 7th Best (Pitt.) and 5th Best (Marquette) in the Big East ... further proving my point about how deep the Big East is!

[xstac2169]

They are very deep. I just think they play a lot of cake teams in their conference. Noting they do not play them all twice yes but there are as many as 7 cake teams in that conference compare to 3 in the ACC.

Granted the Big East is bigger that is still a lot of easy wins each team should have.

I agree with you that the Big East will send more teams and that the Big East will get a team farther than the ACC. That being said they are the better conference, but the ACC is a talented conference as well who can play with anyone in the country.

[LVJimmy]

Bye bye another bubble team when SD finishes this off

[wayne1218]

I don't care how many teams are in your league, when Syracuse is the 9th best and Pitt. is 7th best and Louisville and UConn are not even in the top 2, you have a VERY Tough league in front of you. Yes, their conference is big but that also means they play Cincy or Seton Hall instead of Presbyterian or Cal Davis. I would rather schedule out of conference cupcakes before playing teams like Cincy, Seton Hall or St John's!