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    Internet Gaming Rules Face Long Odds

    By Cindy Skrzycki
    Tuesday, March 4, 2008; D02



    It's not easy making rules for a U.S. law intended to deter illegal Internet gambling by choking off the flow of funds to offshore sites. That's because no one seems to agree on what the law covers.

    Officials at the Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve found that out after sifting through more than 200 comments from banks, gamblers, church groups and members of Congress on recommendations for the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006. The basic sentiment was that their Oct. 4 proposal, which depends on financial institution enforcement, won't work.

    The outcome will affect 23 million online gamblers, some 2,500 Internet sites and the growth of an industry with an estimated $15 billion in annual global revenue. The law bars financial institutions from processing payments involving Internet gambling -- with the notable exceptions of Indian gaming, state gaming and horse racing.

    "If the federal agencies themselves cannot agree on the law, what hope is there that banks can resolve these confounding legal issues?" the American Bankers Association said in commenting on a conflict between the Treasury and Justice departments on the legality of betting on horses.

    The Washington trade group said the suggested rules are more likely to catch its members in a compliance trap than stop profits from illegal gambling from escaping offshore.

    The proposal says generally that it covers the making of bets on the Internet that already are illegal under state or federal law. It just doesn't spell out those games of chance.

    Banks and other financial institutions would have to make a reasonable effort to stop payments to Internet gambling sites through credit cards, checks or electronic funds transfer.

    The final rule is overdue, as regulators review the flood of comments.

    "This is an issue that there is so much interest in that we don't want to rush," said Jennifer Zuccarelli, a spokeswoman for the Treasury Department. "We are just trying to hear from everyone."

    There are a variety of complaints. Gamblers point to what they see as hypocrisy in the proposal. Why hamper Internet gambling, they argue, when states enthusiastically license casinos, and taking long odds on a state lottery ticket is perfectly legal?

    Former senator Alfonse D'Amato, a New York Republican representing the Poker Players Alliance in Washington, told the agencies that its constituency should not even be included because poker is a game of skill, not chance.

    "What is legal now?" Joseph Kelly, a professor of business law at the State University of New York College at Buffalo and an expert in online gambling, said in an interview. "God only knows."

    "If you operate in Antigua and take sports bets from the U.S., you are committing a felony," he said. On the other hand, sports betting is allowed in Nevada and some other states.

    The legal issue is crucial because of conflicting court decisions, differing state laws and applications of older federal laws. Prosecutors and the horse-racing industry have disagreed since 1978 on whether it's legal to bet on horses across state lines. The law said it "is not intended to resolve any existing disagreements over the horseracing law."

    Then-Senate Majority Leader and presidential hopeful Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) pushed the bill through Congress just before it adjourned in 2006.

    Almost immediately, big players in the industry such as PartyGaming in Gibraltar, which runs the PartyPoker.com and PartyBingo.com Web sites, pulled out of the U.S. market. They had been successful in blocking similar legislation for almost a decade.

    "There was a pretty concerted lobbying effort to keep this from happening," Susan Schneider, former head of the Interactive Gaming Council, a trade association in Vancouver, B.C., said in an interview.

    Antigua, home to some big online gaming sites, objected through the World Trade Organization to the U.S. crackdown on Internet gambling. The WTO ruled in December that the United States must pay the island nation $21 million for violating trade rules.

    The online gambling industry and its suppliers fear that the proposal to place the burden on legitimate payment operators will encourage gambling operators to set up fictitious accounts as a way around any rule.

    Republican Sens. John E. Sununu (N.H.) and Pete V. Domenici (N.M.) asked regulators to come up with a list of restricted transactions.

    Otherwise, they predicted, "Risk-averse financial institutions will simply choose to block every transaction" that could resemble gambling, "whether legal or not."

    Advocates of regulating, taxing and licensing Internet gambling -- as some European countries have done -- think the United States should appoint a federal commission to study those issues.

    In the meantime, Frank Fahrenkopf Jr., president and chief executive of the American Gaming Association, said many privately owned offshore sites continue to let Americans wager, win and lose.

    "Money is fungible, and it gets to where it wants to go," Fahrenkopf said. "I don't know of prohibition of anything that ever worked."

    Cindy Skrzycki is a regulatory columnist for Bloomberg News. She can be reached [email protected]

  • #2
    If the US would just legalize and tax gambling, everything would be perfect. It would make for such a payday for the US government each year. It is ridiculous that these old men and women of the Senate and Congress with their out dated views decide what we can and can not do legally in this country.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by xstac2169
      If the US would just legalize and tax gambling, everything would be perfect. It would make for such a payday for the US government each year. It is ridiculous that these old men and women of the Senate and Congress with their out dated views decide what we can and can not do legally in this country.
      I agree with you totally. But the shitstorm they would receive from the big players in Vegas and AC (Wynn, Trump etc) may probably be the reason that may not happen for a long while.
      "The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it." George Bernard Shaw

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      • #4
        Originally posted by 3ebRocks
        I agree with you totally. But the shitstorm they would receive from the big players in Vegas and AC (Wynn, Trump etc) may probably be the reason that may not happen for a long while.

        Vegas is not built entirely on sports book and the big boys you list I dont think are afraid of losing those BIG BANK ROLLERS to an on line sports book.


        I agree they should make it legal so we dont have to worry about someone showing up at a door one day. But I dont want to pay taxes on it. I know you can right off your losses but trust me you never make up for what you paid the IRS in the first place.

        I won two 8 team Parlays in 2000 for a total of $42,000 at a casino in Nevada I had to pay the fedral goverment $11,000 before I could leave the casino. Then got taxed at the end of the year another 3,000 from my local state tax. I was able to write off a little saying I lost a lot too but not the 14,000 the IRS and State tax guys got. So I am a on the fence about weather or not to let it be legalized.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by birdog
          Vegas is not built entirely on sports book and the big boys you list I dont think are afraid of losing those BIG BANK ROLLERS to an on line sports book.


          I agree they should make it legal so we dont have to worry about someone showing up at a door one day. But I dont want to pay taxes on it. I know you can right off your losses but trust me you never make up for what you paid the IRS in the first place.

          I won two 8 team Parlays in 2000 for a total of $42,000 at a casino in Nevada I had to pay the fedral goverment $11,000 before I could leave the casino. Then got taxed at the end of the year another 3,000 from my local state tax. I was able to write off a little saying I lost a lot too but not the 14,000 the IRS and State tax guys got. So I am a on the fence about weather or not to let it be legalized.
          Thats nothing!!!

          I win 8 team unposted parlays for $42,000 at least 5 times per week!!!

          Signed,

          Chuck
          SOBER SINCE MARCH 28TH OF 2007!!!

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          • #6
            Well you know what the government always gets their piece. At times an unfair piece. If they did legalize it I think it would be such a boost to the economy. I would not mind paying taxes on it the least bit because it is something earned and theoretically you should pay taxes on it.

            Part of the fun of this might just be the illegality of it, but I enjoy wagering and do not want to have to continue to send money Western Union to someone in Costa Rica just so that I can do this. Just think it might be much easier for everyone to legalize it even though it wont happen for quite awhile if ever.
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            • #7
              [QUOTE=birdog]Vegas is not built entirely on sports book and the big boys you list I dont think are afraid of losing those BIG BANK ROLLERS to an on line sports book.


              I wasnt just thinking sports book. I was thinking about the casino and poker rooms that go along with it. I know every sports book I ever signed up with had them. So, if they were now legal and advertised and whatnot I definitely feel that would affect Vegas and AC. Of course there are still tons of people that go to Vegas for other reasons, ie vacation. I am not debating that. I am just saying that I believe legalizing online books would have a significant affect that "the big boys" would rather not have to worry about.
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