I Feel Like I Just Got Violated !!!!wtf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GOLDENGREEK]

I was on the other side, but I do understand what you are saying. But one thing that you have to remember is something that you actually said, numerous times, and were right about. The field goal was GOOD. So if the refs didnt screw it up in the first place then we wouldnt be having this discussion. Also, how about Baltimore covering a kickoff. How about Baltimore not kicking it to Cribbs in OT after he just hurt you at end of regulation. What about a squib kick? Like I said, I completely understand where you are coming from, but your anger should be directed at Billick, IMO, because he is an awful coach and again, IMO, cost his team the game with his special teams decision making.

The rule states you can't review. They reviewed. If all that matters is "getting it right", then they should review every play , regardless of if the rules allow it or not.

With that being said they should change the rules so they CAN review a FG, but prior to that rule change, a Ref has no business altering rules as they see fit.

[3ebRocks]

Greek, I completely understand what you are saying but the main point is that they shouldnt have gotten it WRONG in the first place. If Baltimore won the game based on that missed/made fg and I came up here complaining at the fact that the fg was good, then what would all of you have said?

And a another quick question. I walked out of the room once the referee made the announcement to the point that there is some confusion between them whether the ball went through the uprights before it bounced out. So I didnt see whether they reviewed it or just got together and changed it or what. So if someone could just let me know if its not too much trouble I would appreciate it because then I may be able to better understand where you guys are coming from.

And also, to Vondie, I was just trying to tie the whole thing together with the point I was making about Billick. The team has not played well all season. They are not well coached and their game plans are consistently horrible. And when Billick had a chance today to do something right by not kicking it to one of the best kick returners in the league, he did just that. Twice. So all I am saying is that sure the refs may have pissed you off and I agree with that, but if I was on Baltimore I would be equally pissed off if not more at Billick and the Ravens special teams. They set Cleveland up on one 11 yard drive. They set Cleveland up at end of regulation. They set Cleveland up in OT. Thats inexcusable.

[GOLDENGREEK]

Greek, I completely understand what you are saying but the main point is that they shouldnt have gotten it WRONG in the first place. If Baltimore won the game based on that missed/made fg and I came up here complaining at the fact that the fg was good, then what would all of you have said?

And a another quick question. I walked out of the room once the referee made the announcement to the point that there is some confusion between them whether the ball went through the uprights before it bounced out. So I didnt see whether they reviewed it or just got together and changed it or what. So if someone could just let me know if its not too much trouble I would appreciate it because then I may be able to better understand where you guys are coming from.

And also, to Vondie, I was just trying to tie the whole thing together with the point I was making about Billick. The team has not played well all season. They are not well coached and their game plans are consistently horrible. And when Billick had a chance today to do something right by not kicking it to one of the best kick returners in the league, he did just that. Twice. So all I am saying is that sure the refs may have pissed you off and I agree with that, but if I was on Baltimore I would be equally pissed off if not more at Billick and the Ravens special teams. They set Cleveland up on one 11 yard drive. They set Cleveland up at end of regulation. They set Cleveland up in OT. Thats inexcusable.

Also, ( about Billick) they had 3rd and 1 inside the 30 with a timeout and they threw it. If they get the first down there, it would've been gameover. bs...

[3ebRocks]

Agree totally about Billick. You think he would have learned after his defensive captain popped off after throwing the ball 3 straight times in the Buffalo game needing a yard.

And yes, I certainly agree that the refs cant just make up the rules as they go along and that it shouldnt have been reviewed at all if thats what the rules say. And at no point was I ever trying to argue with you or say Im right and your wrong. I was just giving a descenting opinion is all, while having total respect for yours. I hate when games are decided like this and I am still wondering what the refs under the posts were looking at in the first place. They were within 5 feet of the ball!

[Three Jack]

Also, ( about Billick) they had 3rd and 1 inside the 30 with a timeout and they threw it. If they get the first down there, it would've been gameover. bs...

Forget about getting the first down...if he runs it and doesn't make it, he forces the use of a TO and Cleveland would never had a chance to kick it! Billick lost the game...not to mention kicking it to Cribbs...

[griswold]

I didn't have eiither side so I think I can be objective.

The referee, Pete Morelli, should be named ref of the year for brilliantly handling what could have been a fiasco.

He never said the ruling on the field was a miss.
He never siad there would be a review.

He said "there is a question about whether the ball hit the support so we'll take a look at it."

He's going to claim it therefore wasn't a review because he as the head ref never made a ruling on the field that was final.

I think that was VERY creative and an example of the rare ref who was going to use the rules to do the right thing, not arbitrarily stick to a bad call that would be the wrong thing.

I certainly feel for Ravens bettors but imagine how upset you'd be if you had bet the Browns and were robbed because the refs under the post didn't know the rule.

Cut the refs some slack for getting the call right on a situation that may never have happened before. I certainly have never seen a ball hit the support and bounce backwards.

This is not meant to rub salt in anybody's wounds; it's just my take.

[Three Jack]

This is from ESPN and the referee claims that did not review it but discussed it...

Many of the Browns walked off in stunned silence after Dawson's kick. Several Cleveland players, however, insisted Dawson's kick hit the curved center support behind the crossbar. They gathered in the end zone, pointing at the spot where the football struck before bouncing back.

They were right. After a lengthy discussion, the officials ruled the kick passed through the uprights and called the teams back onto the field.

NFL rules dictate that a field goal is not reviewable by replay.

Referring to the initial call, referee Pete Morelli said, "It was a ruling by one of the officials. The other official informed me that the ball hit the back of the extension of the goal post. ... We determined that was what it struck. Therefore, it made the field goal good."

From half a football field away, Dawson wasn't positive his kick made it through.

[3ebRocks]

So technically they are saying it wasnt reviewed. Interesting situation.

[GOLDENGREEK]

So technically they are saying it wasnt reviewed. Interesting situation.

WHICH ISNT TRUE - WHO WAS THE HEAD REF TALKING TO ON THE SIDELAINES WITH HEAD PHONES ON??

[rinna13]

WHICH ISNT TRUE - WHO WAS THE HEAD REF TALKING TO ON THE SIDELAINES WITH HEAD PHONES ON??

They never looked at the review. Read this.

[$pud1120]

Greek.. I believe the list of non-reviewable plays pertains to a coaches challenge. If you noticed the ref did not say after "review" he said after discussion. I believe if the refs are confused or did not have judgment, than a play can be looked at through film. Might be wrong but there is a difference between a review/challenge and the refs deciding video evidence is needed. Tough loss, I was on the other side so it was nice for me for my team to win and I win my wager. Best of luck buddy and keep up the good work.

[Kaptain]

Greek

WHICH ISNT TRUE - WHO WAS THE HEAD REF TALKING TO ON THE SIDELAINES WITH HEAD PHONES ON??

see post 21, 22, and 25....self explanatory.......you're wrong in your interpretaion period......the ball hit the curved support, AFTER (all the ball) had cleared the uprights.....

Great job by the refs in a rare situation..........

and yes, I had Baltimore + 2 1/2....see my picks.....

all the above posts, including your own, support that the FG was good....just anothe bad beat.....good goes with the bad, they balance out....you've won a lots of games by the hook, have you not...

lock and load for anotjer day

[Kaptain]

Greek

WHICH ISNT TRUE - WHO WAS THE HEAD REF TALKING TO ON THE SIDELAINES WITH HEAD PHONES ON??

see post 21, 22, and 25....self explanatory.......you're wrong in your interpretaion period......the ball hit the curved support, AFTER (all the ball) had cleared the uprights.....

Great job by the refs in a rare situation..........

and yes, I had Baltimore + 2 1/2....see my picks.....

all the above posts, including your own, support that the FG was good....just anothe bad beat.....good goes with the bad, they balance out....you've won a lots of games by the hook, have you not...

lock and load for anotjer day....did you ever think that the ref on the field was asking the booth, where/what did the ball hit after going through

[TheAngle]

stay up, bro! it'll tight back up! j/k! keep doin what u do, lay'n bombs on mofo's!

lol!!!! Boi always has something funny to say!! " laying bombs on mofo's" haaha - what does that even mean??!!!

[TheAngle]

Best of luck greek - notice i changed my mind about the other nickname- hey it's happened to us all, it will go down as one of those that you will always remember losing, just disgusting. I remember my moment like that, 3 years ago, i had uconn -4 in the NCAA championship, uconn is up 6 with 1.7 seconds left, no way duke could win, duhon gets the inbouds drive and throwsw up a hail mary, bottom of the net, duke loses by 3 and blows uconn's cover, a meaningless shot, i later read in playboy that one shot was a 6.4 milliion dollar swing in vegas on money...very similar to your situation, it sucks, hang in there big man!!!