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[MemphisMafia]

Phoenix Tonight :

R1- [617]5-4
R2- [72]48-1
R3- [58]12-3
R4- [358]4-1
R5- [4]1[2]7-8
R6- [628]3-4
R7- [357]2-8
R8- [21]8[6]-7
R9- [8]3[1]5-6
R10- [4]3[12]-7
R11- [187]5-2
R12- [345]2-7
R13- [867]2-3
R14- [68]25-1
R15- [65]71-3


Tucson :

R1- [26]45-3
R2- [867]4-5
R3- [18]5[6]-3
R4- [237]6-1
R5- [4]5[3]8-7
R6- [4]751-8
R7- [7]632-1
R8- [16]72-5
R9- [7]861-5
R10- [5]2[8]3-1
R11- [578]1-2
R12- [3]7[4]1-8
R13- [16]25-3
R14- [4]3[1]6-5
R15- [123]8-6

G.L.

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[wallstreet]

Mmm,

I was hoping you would post some PHX plays.

I am such a moron, lived here almost a year and just yesterday I noticed that about 10 minutes away there is this awesome horse racing park..

Am I clueless or what????




I tracked some of those early races and man there were some HUGE doggies that hit..and hit regularly..

[MemphisMafia]

wallstreet

I hope you watch them from right where you sit instead of going down to the track ,,, you sounded like it was somewhat of a dump . Do they have a clubhouse with the valet parking ? thats where I usually hang out and you dont have to rub elbows with ones wasting thier welfare checks . Not that I am bashing folks but standing in line to lay a bet can sometimes be harmful to your nose !

And today at Seabrook was where the big dogs came in :

2$ Q = 131 , 168 , 245 , 64 , 50 , 48 , 29 , 54 , 36 , and so on

1$ T = 331 , 1233 , 256 , 934 , 135 , 182 , and tons of " big dogs "

racebook.com is where you can watch them

G.L.

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[wallstreet]

Mmm,

Yep..I wont go to the doggie track again..that is for sure.

What is funny is they brag about this 17 million dollar facility. It isnt bad, it looks decent, what doesnt look decent is the clientel in the regular area.

I did notice the valet parking, but maybe it is only on the weekend? I didnt have to pay to get in or park.. It looked like in a different area there was a nicer place, maybe it is a clubhouse type place. I didnt go over, but it is possible.

I think the horse track looks posh..not near the airport, in a snazzy part of town..more palm trees than cigarette butts..which is a good sign???



I did watch online on a few places, sounds like I ought to go to one of those bar places where you can bet that might be nicer? Or find a good online site that wont drag..if it drags it will be a BIG drag...

haha

[MemphisMafia]

Looking Good

Just noticed that we are clicking at your tracks tonight ... getem good !

G.L.

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[MemphisMafia]

Re: wallstreet

Originally posted by MemphisMafia
Phoenix Tonight :

R1- [617]5-4------ [7]52= 20.80
R2- [72]48-1------ 1[2]4= 22.80 , 75.10
R3- [58]12-3------ [5]42= nada
R4- [358]4-1------ [8]1[53]= 29.00 , 117.90 , 171.10
R5- [4]1[2]7-8---- 1[2]7= 21.20 , 90.60
R6- [628]3-4------ [268]1= 13.80 , 73.60 , 168.40
R7- [357]2-8------ 6[3]8= nada
R8- [21]8[6]-7---- [216]3- 24.00 bet = 795.30 + 97.30
R9- [8]3[1]5-6---- [18]7 = 33.20
R10- [4]3[12]-7---- [12]35= 26.00 , 90.70 , 255.10
R11- [187]5-2------ [1]56= 27.00
R12- [345]2-7------ 2[453] 24.00 bet drew back 1216.30 + 188.40
R13- [867]2-3------ 253[6] = blew it
R14- [68]25-1------ 372 = Huge Longshots " HUGE "
R15- [65]71-3------ 1[56]3 = 12.40 , 39.90 , 166.40

wallstreet : of the races above 8 were Tri races x3 dogs = 24
7 were superfecta races x4 dogs = 28 . Now adding those figures together you come up with 52 pups in the money out of a total of 120 running , of the 39 dogs I tabed with [x] at the onset 25 of them hit the tote board and are [x] in the results . Any time someone can call 50% of the dogs that hit the money the outcome using various boxes and wheels and of couse the all powerful all`s in a slot they will make plenty. But when you look at the above , you cant help but notice that tonight I called of the 52 dogs in the money a pretty hefty "42" of them , and that my friend is a outstanding night !


Tucson :

R1- [26]45-3----- [62]5
R2- [867]4-5----- [67]5
R3- [18]5[6]-3--- 2[6]47
R4- [237]6-1----- [2]4[3]
R5- [4]5[3]8-7--- [4]1[3]2
R6- [4]751-8----- 175
R7- [7]632-1----- [7]624
R8- [16]72-5----- 5[6]27
R9- [7]861-5----- 4632 dogs down at the turn !
R10- [5]2[8]3-1--- 3[5]62
R11- [578]1-2-----[78]36
R12- [3]7[4]1-8--- 5[4]1 dead-heat [3]7
R13- [16]25-3-----[1]234
R14- [4]3[1]6-5---[4]5[1]6
R15- [123]8-6-----[12]87

G.L.

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Almost like taking candy from a baby , some real nices tickets in there and almost feel bad for those tatooed gals on the ground floor [ not ]

[wallstreet]

Mmm,

I think I need to get a book about all the betting strategies. I feel that I am a very smart person too!! (maybe???)


Tell me when you do this:

R1- [617]5-4------ [7]52= 20.80

What does the [617] mean as for betting?

or:

R10- [4]3[12]-7---- [12]35= 26.00 , 90.70 , 255.10

Are you saying to bet the 4 horse to WIN only?

I guess I need to know the in's and out's of what everything means.

I think I am learning, but still need to learn what "wheels" and "all's" etc are and when to bet them, when not to. I will learn, but I gotta get either a how to book, or get some kind of spread sheet so I can see which bet is what, when to use etc..

I like the idea of a website for doggie betting/posting info. I would really enjoy a site for that only. It maybe is a good idea that I dont know a ton..I would definately bet it more..

[MemphisMafia]

wallstreet

Originally posted by wallstreet
Mmm,

I think I need to get a book about all the betting strategies. I feel that I am a very smart person too!! (maybe???)


Tell me when you do this:

R1- [617]5-4------ [7]52= 20.80

What does the [617] mean as for betting?

or:

R10- [4]3[12]-7---- [12]35= 26.00 , 90.70 , 255.10

Are you saying to bet the 4 horse to WIN only?

I guess I need to know the in's and out's of what everything means.

I think I am learning, but still need to learn what "wheels" and "all's" etc are and when to bet them, when not to. I will learn, but I gotta get either a how to book, or get some kind of spread sheet so I can see which bet is what, when to use etc..

I like the idea of a website for doggie betting/posting info. I would really enjoy a site for that only. It maybe is a good idea that I dont know a ton..I would definately bet it more..

Example :

When I show a : [1]34[5]-7 it doesnt mean anything different , its just to show that the [1] & [5] are in my opinion the best dogs in the race but you have to notice that I placed the [5] in fourth and hes the best ???? [ that is because of his post position or he has a very quick breaker on the inside that likes to run up in the grandstand and will push him to the wall , or various other things ?]

A * of course means that I feel this dog will win outright no matter what happens !

So when I show a : [*1]627-8 its a fair estimation that in this race a 1/2678/2678 tri ticket [12.00] would be a fair bet or if it was a super race a 1/2678/2678/2678 bet [24.00] would be a fair one also.

Also a [*48]62-8 shows up as a 48/48/all bet [12.00] would be fair in a tri race

And it goes without saying that a [73]82-5 is still a 4 dog box with a careful eye being placed on the 5 dog ! ,,, its just my way of pointing out the best dogs in the race .

I will call a old friend of mine and see if he will ship you his latest book , his name is "Bad Bill " McBride and he has been around for over 50 years at the tracks and written several books on this subject

G.L.

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[wallstreet]

Mmm,

How does one know when a race will and wont allow a 4 dog box? Outside a few dogs being scratched from a race, why if there are 8 dogs, that you wouldnt be allowed to box 4 or 5 if you wanted to?

From watching your picks, it seems that paying that extra and boxing 5 really pays over time. I would rather pay 60 a race and get in that last play than just box 4 (until I had a grasp on when it is and isnt worth it to include the other dog).

I apreciate the explanation of the * on the number, meaning you like that one to win..in that case you would place the *dog as a winner, then box the other 2 or 3 as non-first finish (or maybe even as first to be safe?). And thanks for the explanation of the [].

I think doing this online might be better than going to the track, I imagine the people working there arent going to be nice and explain to me what bets are about and how it works..cant say the people looked so friendly on my one trip!

I dont know if you bet the items you mentioned to me, but I hope you did..especially on that race where you netted a grand!!!

Hope you dont mind the questions, I am the type that I want to know all I can before diving in..so I dont make mistakes when it comes time to lay down the $$$$.

[MemphisMafia]

I Recommend :

that you lay off the 5 dog box for now , and you cant wheel and box at the same time [ not allowed , if they did I would have broke every track in America ]

You need to understand that at most tracks a 5 dog box will not bring a net at the end of the night [ pools are to low ] thats a 900.00 outlay at the begining of the nite .... you would have to avg. at least 7 tris a nite to stay on top . And thats not counting your Qs & Supers , once you learn to understand the odds then you will learn to see the value in a wager.

Calling Bill this morning and seeing if he can get that right out ? [pm] me with a addy ?

G.L.



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[MemphisMafia]

you can box as many as you want , they dont care its your money , its just that a race has only so many wagers .
Some have Q`s ... Tri`s ..... and Supers .... some dont . And once you have determined " what you want to bet on " then you figure out " how " to bet it , also a scratch does not effect any races wagering , I have seen only 5 dogs in a race for a Tri bet because of many reasons.

Hope I am helping ?

G.L.

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[wallstreet]

Mmm,

I found this page, and it is helping a bit..

http://www.4dogracing.com/www/strategies.htm

And all you explain helps, and I am sure it helps me and others who read and might be in my shoes..want to give it a shot, but want to be educated too..

So when you star a dog, are you "wheeling the quin/tri/super"?
(I dont see great value in quinning since you are only using two dogs in the race?)

I see it gets real expensive when you box more than 4 on a super too..goes from 24 to 120!! (per 1.00 bet)

I dont see the "all's" in this page, but what I think I get from that page with examples is that I more than likely would favor:

Boxing the Quin, Tri or Super. (with preference to tri and super)

When do you feel that it is worth while to Wheel on these three scenarios? It seems to me that it increases risk and forces you to limit your choices. I imagine it greatly increases your winnings though since you are eliminating the number of combinations and thus increasing the edge for the house.

Maybe I am a bit too conservative, and that might be to the houses advantage by wanting to box as my comfort strategy?

One last thing, how does one know when a tri or super is not allowed on a race, and do YOU avoid such races?

Thanks for all the time, it sure has been a good education!