Wacky National Leagues Finals!!

[LVJimmy]

just copied this from the recap of today's Rockies game on ESPN.com

The Colorado Rockies stayed in the hunt for a postseason spot after the Arizona Diamondbacks wrapped up the NL West title before they even took the field. The Padres lost 4-3 at Milwaukee earlier in the day, giving Arizona its fourth division title and first since 2002. The Diamondbacks also clinched home-field advantage throughout the NL playoffs.

[wayne1218]

just copied this from the recap of today's Rockies game on ESPN.com

The Colorado Rockies stayed in the hunt for a postseason spot after the Arizona Diamondbacks wrapped up the NL West title before they even took the field. The Padres lost 4-3 at Milwaukee earlier in the day, giving Arizona its fourth division title and first since 2002. The Diamondbacks also clinched home-field advantage throughout the NL playoffs.

That makes no sense though. Why would the Mets & Phils have a 1 game playoff but the D-Backs and Padres would not?

[ChuckLazar]

just copied this from the recap of today's Rockies game on ESPN.com

The Colorado Rockies stayed in the hunt for a postseason spot after the Arizona Diamondbacks wrapped up the NL West title before they even took the field. The Padres lost 4-3 at Milwaukee earlier in the day, giving Arizona its fourth division title and first since 2002. The Diamondbacks also clinched home-field advantage throughout the NL playoffs.

I guess we'll find out after tomorrow!!:
This shit is making me dizzy!!
duh:

[wayne1218]

just copied this from the recap of today's Rockies game on ESPN.com

The Colorado Rockies stayed in the hunt for a postseason spot after the Arizona Diamondbacks wrapped up the NL West title before they even took the field. The Padres lost 4-3 at Milwaukee earlier in the day, giving Arizona its fourth division title and first since 2002. The Diamondbacks also clinched home-field advantage throughout the NL playoffs.

I just don't believe it. The Phillies were (12-6) against the Mets this year and they are talking about a 1 game playoff monday. If Arizona and SD tie for the West, the same 1 game playoff has to happen!

[LVJimmy]

If there's a tie for the division, and both teams are in the playoffs, then the season series determines who gets the division and the other team gets the WC...I know it's confusing...I know that AZ clinched the West becasue they have 90 wins and Philly and NY can't get to 90 wins...if SD wins tomorrow and the DBacks lose, SD wins the WC and gets to 90 wins which Philly and NY can't get to...if they lose tomorrow, then there could be a tie for the WC

[wayne1218]

Makes sense i guess!

[phonepole]

From MLB.com...

If there's a four-way tie among the Mets, Phillies, Rockies and Pads:

• The Mets and Phillies would play in Philly on Monday to crown the East champ.

• The loser would then enter a three-game mini-tournament for which the Rockies, based on head-to-head records during the regular season, would have the option of trying to win at home and then on the road or just once on the road to advance.

• If the Rockies choose to stay home, their opponent would be determined by the wishes of the team with the second-best combined head-to-head record; it'd be the Phillies if they're involved, but the Padres if the Mets drop into the three-way. That team could choose to play at the Rockies on Tuesday, but it's more likely that it would opt for a single game and travel to play the winner of Tuesday's game on Wednesday.

• If the Rockies opt for the one road game, Tuesday's game would feature New York at San Diego, or San Diego at Philly, with the winner hosting Colorado on Wednesday.

If there's a three-way tie among the Padres, Mets and Phillies: This scenario is possible only if the Padres and Rockies both lose Sunday and the Phillies and Mets both win.

• The Mets and Phillies would play in Philly on Monday to crown the East champ.

• Monday's losing team would play Tuesday to decide the Wild Card. The Padres would either host the Phils, or travel to New York.

There also remains the possibility that there will be a pair of two-way ties needing to be broken, and they will be created only if the Rockies win Sunday and the Padres lose, while the Mets and Phillies both lose to end their Wild Card bids.

If the Mets and Phillies end up tied in the NL East: You already know this one; they'll play one game in Philly on Monday to crown the champ. And if you're wondering why the Phillies don't just get the division title based on their season-series victory over the Mets, it's because head-to-head tie-breakers are used only when both teams already have a playoff spot secured, and they simply determine seeding. Any regular-season tie that would send the loser home for the year has to be broken on the field.

If the Padres and Rockies finish in a tie for the Wild Card: A one-game playoff will be played Monday at Colorado.

Admit it: If your favorite team is already out of it, you're pulling for the four-way tie.


I understand it perfectly now!

[LVJimmy]

got it PP...THX...GL on Sunday, but I hope the Mets lose and the Phils win...lol

[phonepole]

Sorry LV... Mets win, if only because everyone expects them to finish the collapse and they won't!! Don't know what the phils will do, i'm just curious to see what the odds on the Mets and Phils will be!

[LVJimmy]

I know, I keep looking, but haven't seen them yet.

[rcmcd]

If you think the National League standings are making you blind, it could easily get worse.

Try looking at the tiebreaker scenarios.

ONE-GAME PLAYOFFS
Potential tiebreaker matchups based on coin flips:
NL WILD CARD
Philadelphia at San Diego
San Diego at Colorado
Philadelphia at Colorado
Arizona at San Diego
Arizona at Colorado
Arizona at Philadelphia
San Diego at New York
New York at Colorado

NL EAST
NY Mets at Philadelphia

NL WEST
San Diego at Arizona
Colorado at Arizona
Colorado at San Diego

If four teams in the East and West finish the season with the same record, we predict business will be booming at all kinds of ophthalmologists' offices near you.

Among the fun possibilities if that happens: The Padres theoretically could play in Milwaukee on Sunday, in Arizona on Monday, in San Diego on Tuesday, in Philadelphia on Wednesday, back in San Diego on Thursday and then in New York on Friday.

But dont write any of that in ink. This is such a mess, MLB had to declare Thursday "Emergency Coin Flip Day," because let's just say some of these matchups didn't look quite this likely a couple of weeks ago.

Ready for the most crazed scenarios? All right, here goes:

Four-team craziness: If the two NL East teams and the top two NL West teams all tie:
Just for the sake of discussion, let's say the Mets, Phillies, Padres and Diamondbacks finish with the same record. Here's how that would work:

• The Mets and Phillies play a one-game playoff Monday in Philadelphia to decide the NL East.

• The Padres and Diamondbacks play a one-game playoff Monday in Arizona to decide the NL West.

• The losers then play Tuesday to decide the wild card. A Diamondbacks-Phillies game would be played in Philadelphia. A Padres-Phillies game would be in San Diego. And if the Mets are involved, they would play Arizona or San Diego at home, but they would have to go to Coors Field if they wind up playing it off with Colorado. Amazingly, the Mets and D-backs didn't find any of that out until Thursday, because back when the original wild-card scenarios were determined, nobody at MLB apparently envisioned that those scenarios would include New York or Arizona. Uh, oops. So a whole lot of frantic coin-flipping went on Thursday to sort all this out.

More four-team craziness: If two NL West teams and the two NL East teams all have the same record:
• It's still possible that the Phillies, Mets, Padres and a fourth team (either the Diamondbacks or Rockies but not both) could all have the same record. But that creates two different scenarios -- one if there is a tie for the NL West title, another if the NL West clubs finish tied for second (and the wild card).

• If there's a tie for both the NL West and NL East titles, there would be tiebreaker games Monday in Philadelphia and San Diego.

• Then the two losers would meet Tuesday. Here are the sites of those potential games:

• Phillies-Padres in San Diego

• Phillies-Rockies in Colorado

• Phillies-Diamondbacks in Philadelphia

• Mets-Padres in New York

• Mets-Rockies in Colorado

• Mets-Diamondbacks in New York

• But if the two teams tied in the NL West finish second, we have a whole different game plan. The only similarity is that the Phillies and Mets would play Monday in Philadelphia to sort out the NL East.

• The loser then would then move on to a three-team wild-card tournament that would work the way we laid it out above. But here is how baseball would decide which team would get the option of one road game or two home games

• In an Arizona-San Diego-New York three-way: Diamondbacks.

• In a Colorado -San Diego-New York three-way: Rockies.

• In an Arizona-San Diego-Philadelphia three-way: Diamondbacks.

• In a Colorado-San Diego-Philadelphia three-way: Rockies.

So that's the lay of this goofy land. Everybody have it all straight now? You'd better. There will be a quiz in the morning.

I just cant read this! Maybe when the room stops spinning! THanks for the 411! Go Phillies!