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**wayne1218** · 08-18-2003, 07:29 PM

AGREED

LOVE the pick John

GOOD LUCK

**MemphisMafia** · 08-18-2003, 07:34 PM

EZ

I rarely drip at the chops when I see a game ..... but this ones been high on my list for weeks now [already done] and might I add the opener at Auburn to that list against a decent S. Cal team that looks nice at the moment !

G.L.

***MMM***

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**ez winners** · 08-19-2003, 12:34 PM

I'll bump this the rest of the week.

Line movement: 25½ 26½/27/27½

**Homer** · 08-19-2003, 12:44 PM

on it

Agree John I'm with you on that one Kansas State big time

**ez winners** · 08-20-2003, 03:51 PM

As of Wednesday still at -27.5

**SPORTS TIPSTER** · 08-20-2003, 04:07 PM

Keep in mind that this is an exemption game for Kansas State.
This game will not be recorded as a win on the regular season.

Wildcats might take this game a little light considering it does not count for regular season and they might be cautious as to risking injury to starters.

I will side with California and take all those juicy points.

Good Luck

**Yeedale88** · 08-20-2003, 07:51 PM

This exemption argument is fallacious.

Snyder may feel this his best and last chance for a national championship. Snyder wants to set the quest off with a bang on National TV, and he has never been shy about running it up and there is no reason to believe he won't try to do so here.
This game will have an unfettered national audience with perhaps the only time this year many of the voters both coaches and writers and Heisman voters will have a chance to watch a whole Kansas State game without flipping between several games. And for some Coaches and East Coast writers it may be the only Kansas State game they will see. First impressions count a lot. It may not count in regular wins but it will count and create an impression in Poll Voters and Heisman voters for Eli Robertson and Darren Sproles.

Indeed, I think the exemption plays more for Tedford as he would like to get a bowl game and took this opportunity to get his really young and inexperienced team some experience. I have heard he may play 3 quarterbacks.

Tedford is a good coach who will bring out a few tricks plays(But Boller is gone and with him perhaps starting in Baltimore we can see what a huge loss he is)

-Echemandu by all accounts is a load and a budding star at running back(But he is coming off an injury and can he contribute more than Igber did last year?)

-Cal has some good WR's but the speed is mostly with their true freshmen.

Cal lost 15 starters and has only 2 returning starters on defense, both sophomores. Cal lost 2 first round draft choices, Miami can survive losing multiple #1 draft choices, Cal can't. Tedford recruited well but their overall team talent is way down. They may well finish last in the Pac 10, yes, after Arizona and its bizarre decision to keep Mackovic. Tedford made strides last year but they will take a step back this year.

The over may be the better bet when the number gets posted as Cal should be able to score and a back door cover is a possibilty, but Cal's DE's are undersized and a huge drop from the players they had last year. New, undersized and average DE's and all new linebackers against Kansas State's option is a scary prospect. Robertson and Sproles are very very good.

Play action should also work for Kansas State as there are big question marks in Cal's secondary who must come up and help on the option.

Robertson has played before when Boller was hurt 2 years ago but as the first string quarterback assuming the mantle on the road(Kansas State will have a huge home field advantage maybe not as big as in Manhatten but it will be a big advantage period) especially against a very good Kansas State defense will mean turnovers and likely a muted performance.

Kansas State has some injuries but lots of returning talent with studs like Marvin Simmons the LB from Long Beach Poly, may be, the best recruit on the West Coast a few years ago only a reserve.

Kansas State has questionable kicking, but that will likely be made up for by a least one special teams touchdown.

Can the new Cal QB exploit Terrence Newman's replacement at corner? But Kansas state has some options there including some JC All Americans including one who had 12 career interceptions.

Pac 10 teams don't usually play the option that well, and especially not with the inexperience Cal has on defense, and definitely not against a Heisman Trophy candidate QB and an ultra quick TB.

There will definitely be better underdogs. I think the number is too low and is based on the fact Cal played well last year and is in the second year under Tedford; The assumption that they will be better is not unreasonable especially since Cal had a very good recruiting class. However, their graduation losses are too severe. So 27.5 is a lot but if you said put the the worst Pac 10 on the road against may be the second best Big 12 team a 27.5 point line would not be unreasonable.

I think Kansas State gets a special teams score, a defensive score and will burn Cal on the option and with play action passes. Cal may score with trick plays, but will have trouble running the ball. I think the line should be about 33 and I still would only consider K State.

**casheasy** · 08-20-2003, 08:10 PM

THIS ONE COUNTS!!!!

Do not buy that argument that a Kansas St win doesn't count. It counts, just like any other game.

**casheasy** · 08-20-2003, 08:11 PM

but I do like CAL a little more right now....:D

**GoldVike** · 08-20-2003, 08:24 PM

Year after yare after year

K State has been grilled, abused, laughed at and dismissed from serious early voting contentions BECAUSE they never scheduled any "non-cream puff" teams. This is Snyders chance to get that monkey off his AND the programs back.

I would only worry HOW MCUH and FROM WHOM the massive dollars come it in on Cal. If its LARGE ENOUGH from the "right side" I'm sure there will be word sent down to the sidelines and some 4th quarter "did you believe that play" OR "why did he throw the ball with a 34 point lead and get it picked and run back like that" type plays. I'll take KSTATE FOR NOW and then maybe hedge or go bigger looking at some numbers closer to game time! FWIW......JMHO Gv

**meaiken** · 08-21-2003, 06:59 AM

line is changing to much, now at 28, lots of action on KSU, i personally like the over 53.5.

Blow out------YES
by 28----------NO

Final score KSU 42 CAL 21

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