Has Anyone Said This Yet?

[FATCAT]

I disagree. Florida's win over Arkansas was meaningful. To win the SEC and and have to win a playoff game besides is impressive. Michigan's schedule and accomplishments were less than Florida because Michigan beat only two strong teams all year (Notre Dame and Wisconsin). Florida had more quality wins.

Also, as much as Michigan fans don't want to accept it, losing to Ohio State is a virtual disqaulifier for being ranked against comparable one-los teams that didn't lose to OSU. I have considered Flordia stronger than Southern Cal all along.

If Southern Cal had beaten UCLA, I would have ranked them:

1.Ohio State
2. Florida
3. Michigan
4.Southern Cal

The BCS always gets the right two teams (I'm America's opnly BCS supporter) which is why they got it right again.

Besides, Ohio State is better than everybody anyhow.

Nothing wrong for feeling this way but the championship was invented for one thing and that is money nothing more. The SEC supporters need to stop whining about playing the extra game for the championship "GREED" is the key word. Big Ten said no to a Championship game and I respect them for that. Almost every week I watched Flordia or the SEC play and it was all gimmick plays, line up a shove down peoples throat enough with double reverse flee flicker plays. Honestly as much as I would like to see a good game this will be brutal to watch. Yes I am bias but really after this has all soaked in all I hear from coaches to media to bcs supporters is that the wrong team got in. It was all about "instead of people seeing a rematch we put Flordia in". Thats the flaw! There is another article on espn.com today about the wrong team got in, how long will this go on.

[mtoo]

There was absolutely nothing from that Nvo 18 game to suggest that Michigan would beat Ohio State if they played again. They got 2 unforced turnovers (freak snaps, whereas a fumble or INT is a forced turnover) and got dominated by both of Ohio State's front 7's. Only 1 time after the first 5:00 of the game did Michigan even have the ball with a chance to take the lead.

Anyway, here is a fun little page that shows how all the coaches voted, enjoy:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/graph...2006/flash.htm

It's about time some common sense prevails here, tOSU was always ahead by 2 scores throughout the majority of the game. Any blame here for no rematch should start with the presidents and ad's of the Big Ten, why are they done playing football by Thanksgiving, get another team and have a conference playoff, the last team seen playing by most of America was Florida! OBTW Michigan finished 2nd in a 3 team conference.

[ACCcfbGURU]

I hate the goturds more than anyone but it wouldnt be fair to OSU to have to play UM again. What if they lose. They win one and lose one and get no ring......

tOSU will crush uf anyway.

[Dawgleg]

Liking Ohio State with little or no turnovers. Florida isn't anywhere near as good as a #2. Will be a fun game, but Leak will be eaten for dinner by that front 7 of Ohio State. Coaching strategy of Tressel will easily win it.

[DAREALDEAL]

nobody will ever know if michigan is better.......i think florida and michigan are pretty evenly matched

[rwall]

You guys can all speculalate as much as you want, I mean I suppose we overweight beer guzzling chat room sitting degenerates know more then college football coaches throughout the country as to who belongs...
The fact is all SEC coaches with a vote backed their Conference representative. While a big ten coach voted for Florida and another chose not to vote at all.
Zook and Tressel screwed their conference mate.

[MtrCtyPimp]

I suppose we overweight beer guzzling chat room sitting degenerates know more then college football coaches throughout the country as to who belongs...
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In an attempt to be sarcastic youve hit the nail right on the head..........we do know who belongs more than the coaches

We actually watch most of the games..........coaches dont even watch and dont even know who played.

This thread isnt about a pissing match about who is deserving and who should go or SEC and BIG 10 chatter. Its just a simple question.........would Florida have been ranked 4th if USC wins and the answer is clearly yes.

Gris said in his opinion winning the game v Arkansas made a difference and I agree with him to an extent.......the gap in the computers did shrink between FLA and MICH..........I heard on Sunday the only way there will be no rematch is if 23 coaches changed flip flopped the two schools in the polls and so they went ahead and did it....so be it

I wish both schools luck but I am personally rooting for OSU for the sole fact that I dont want to prove the coahes right because they will be justified if FLA pulls off the upset.

Also to disagree with ULike Apples, Michigan dominated the 2H of that game in Columbus and if not for that long TD run and that personal foul on Troy Smith you mightve scored 3 points max..........sure Ohio State came out gimmicky and to their credit it worked but once Michigan settled in they took over that game and started moving the ball at will while OSU struggled.

To take it a little bit farther if there was a mythical 5th quarter I wouldnt be shocked one bit if Ohio State lost by double digits in that game

PEACE

[rwall]

In an attempt to be sarcastic youve hit the nail right on the head..........we do know who belongs more than the coaches

We actually watch most of the games..........coaches dont even watch and dont even know who played.

You are crazy if you think you watch more games and disect them piece by piece than college coaches. We may watch pieces of more games from a bigger variety of conferences but not more. But what about the Harris poll which is made up of former players and coaches, they also changed their votes. The Harris poll is part of the BCS equation....Vandy' head coach, maybe he was biased, maybe not stated that if he had a vote it would have been for Florida. He played both teams. He did also state that Fl is more physical theen people give them credit for and that OSU is faster then expected...I think it should be a great game.....and may be like the Osu/ Miami game was.

No I don't believe I have entered into a pissing match with you just a good debate as a Floridian to a Michigonian.

[griffey_mojo]

If Michigan plays So Cal, Wolves win. If they play Florida, they win. That's bottom line. They need a playoff. I'll go as far to say if Mich plays OSU again, Wolves win. Michigan got shafted. OSU-Mich play 100 games they each win 50. But if OSU plays Florida or So Cal, Buckeyes dominate a 100 game series. Michigan should be given another chance but they werent'.

dt

Yeah...cause Lloyd has proven he can hold up his end of the bargain on that deal.

Tressel 6
Lloyd 1

You make these bold claims with NO facts!

[vinnyvegas]

You are crazy if you think you watch more games and disect them piece by piece than college coaches. We may watch pieces of more games from a bigger variety of conferences but not more. But what about the Harris poll which is made up of former players and coaches, they also changed their votes. The Harris poll is part of the BCS equation....Vandy' head coach, maybe he was biased, maybe not stated that if he had a vote it would have been for Florida. He played both teams. He did also state that Fl is more physical theen people give them credit for and that OSU is faster then expected...I think it should be a great game.....and may be like the Osu/ Miami game was.

No I don't believe I have entered into a pissing match with you just a good debate as a Floridian to a Michigonian.

I don't agree. There is a HUGE difference in breaking down game film for next weeks opponent and ACTUALLY seeing a game played by these teams.

It's been stated over and over and quoted over & over that many of these coaches have not seen OSU, FLA, UM play a single game. Unless they play them, they do not have the time to break down game film of these teams unless they are playing them. So your point cannot be valid when Joe Schmoe in some conf votes one above the other yet never played or viewed them on TV. Yes, their SID or AD or cousin or brother may have seen them play so they go by what they say...

It is what it is but the human element has again shown that politic-ing, conf pride or loyalty won out.

I'd argue/debate again, that OSU did not want any piece of Michigan again and to me it was clear in Smith & Tressel's body language after the game and in Tressel's vote...it helps his recruiting over Michigan regardless of outcome of game w/ FLA. IMHO

Game ON!

[frankb03]

If USC beat UCLA like they should've wouldnt Michigan have been ranked 3 in the polls and Florida 4? Am I the only one who thinks the whole country and Las Vegas knows Michigan is better than Florida but the polls were rigged because people didn't wanna see a rematch?
PEACE

Initially I thought Michigan should face Ohio St for the championship. However, I've changed my mind. I think the championship should be played by teams that have won their conference.

Before the expansion on baseball playoffs to include a wild card team the division winners played in the playoffs. On many occasions the runner-up in a division had a better record than the other division winner.

IMO there's no doubt the polls were rigged to prevent a rematch. The worst thing that happened for the voters was USC losing. It forced them to change their vote.

[frankb03]

no way...



signed,
jason

The championship game should be played between Florida and LSU. The SEC is the best conference in the country. Florida and LSU have too much team speed. They can compete with the Oakland Raiders.

Signed,

Jason

[frankb03]

We are forgetting one very important fact. The computer poll ranked Florida and Michigan dead even. I'm a big believer in the computer polls. It eliminates the emotional and corruptible human element.

[rwall]

It's been stated over and over and quoted over & over that many of these coaches have not seen OSU, FLA, UM play a single game. Unless they play them, they do not have the time to break down game film of these teams unless they are playing them. So your point cannot be valid when Joe Schmoe in some conf votes one above the other yet never played or viewed them on TV. Yes, their SID or AD or cousin or brother may have seen them play so they go by what they say...

VV...I understand what you're saying and I have heard coaches say the same thing, BUT I truly have never believed it. I always have and still do believe it's a part of their "gamemanship" (to make up a word). I believe when a coach breaks down game film against ANY team they have to analyze what the other teams did that worked and failed against their foe. You can't tell me when Michigan played Notre Dame they didn't break down game film from every game Notre Dame has played this year and possibley the year before.

[rwall]

We are forgetting one very important fact. The computer poll ranked Florida and Michigan dead even. I'm a big believer in the computer polls. It eliminates the emotional and corruptible human element.

I don't know if it would have made any bit of a difference if Tressel voted or of if Zook stood his ground and promoted his Conference mate by voting for Mich and not Florida, but I think it was a slap in the face to Michigan.

The former players and coaches who make up the Harris polls switched their votes and voted for Fl. Many of them were quoted as saying you should have to win your conference in order to play for the National Championship. Some said they did not want to see a glorified conference Championship to determine who is the National Championship.
Every year someone gets "screwed " by this BCS and this year it may be Michigan. I understand both sides of it. There are 3 years left in the contract between the BCS and the NCAA so we'll see what happens.....